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Drew Black
broken crankshaft


8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Mar 12 2002 : 11:30AM
The four retailers participating in the Kickback program provide us with customized sales tracking reports. Recently we have discovered bugs in the reports from three of the four participating merchants. In one case we even sent notification emails to all program members that had placed any Kickback orders.

If you have placed an order through the Kickback program you should have received order confirmation email. This email indicates the portion of the order eligible for Kickback credit. In some cases the amount you are credited ends up being different than the amount in the order confirmation email. This can occur for a number of reasons the most common being that items in the order were canceled or changed after the order was initially placed.

All of the participating merchants are constantly improving their stores and checkout processes. Occasionally these improvements may induce a bug in the way Kickback orders are tracked and we don't discover the problem until a few weeks or months have passed. These bugs may affect the special Kickback order tracking and sales reports we use to issue credit. The end result being that you may receive credit for an amount greater than or less than your original order. Please understand that the sales report is the only confirmation of an order total we can use to issue credit. These reports are used by the retailer to pay Adult DVD Talk a sales commission on Kickback orders. If the order total is lower we cannot issue credit for a higher amount unless we are able to find the bug and be ensured that we are actually being paid on the higher amount.

Please understand that the redemption of Kickback credit comes directly out of our pockets. If you redeem $50 at a store it's the equivalent of us handing you a fifty dollar bill. We do not get any form of discount on the redemptions. It is a service that we are happy to provide as a means to reward shoppers that buy through our links.

If a retailer reports (and pays us) an amount less than your original order we are happy to investigate the situation and hopefully correct it. If the result of the investigation is that we end up being paid based on an amount less than reflected in your order confirmation email there is not much we can do about it. We won't be in business long if we issue more credit than we are being paid. Adult DVD Talk is not some huge company that can afford to lose hundreds or possibly thousands of dollars per month due to erroneous credits.

According to the terms of the Kickback Program Operating Agreement the administration of the Kickback program is solely the responsibility of Adult DVD Talk. We make every effort to be honest and pay the correct amounts. If for any reason a program member is dissatisfied with the way we chose to administer the program and resolve any open issues their sole course of action is to remove themselves from the program.

The Program Operating Agreement also states that Kickback credit will be issued after we receive payment from the participating merchant. For the past few months I have been issuing credit at the beginning of the month prior to actually receiving checks from the stores. I did this beacuse I did not want to keep people waiting to redeem their credit. Because of the bugs we discovered in the past 10 days you may have not received full credit for some orders placed in February. We are waiting to receive payment for these orders prior to making any adjustments. The actual payments we receive are the only real way to audit the accuracy of the sales reports we use. If payment doesn't match the report then we know there's a problem and are then able to react accordingly.

Please be understanding as we attempt to track down the source of any problems and work to correct them. If you write a hostile email to Adult DVD Talk or to a participating retailer complaining about the way we administer the program you will be bluntly asked to remove yourself from the program. If the hostile attitude continues you will be removed from the program and any accrued balances will be forfeited.

Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Mar 18 2002 : 1:06PM
We have received our most recent Kickback program payment from Adult DVD Empire. I now have a list of Kickback orders dating back to 10/24/01 that may not have received proper credit. I will be contacting these 59 program members directly via to investigate each order and make adjustments to their Kickback account balances.


Meridian
Member

155 Posts
8/01
Posted - Mar 19 2002 : 5:20AM
Sounds like you guys are bending over backwards to make things work out ok. Looking after adjusted orders must be a real hassle. Most places would just say that amending or cancelling parts of orders invalidates the whole rebate, to keep it manageable.

You might have to consider that eventually?

Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Mar 19 2002 : 8:49AM
The program can be a pain to manage from time to time. I don't mind bending over backwards to provide the only Adult DVD rebate service on the internet. It's usually not very difficult, just time consuming. The problems we're having at the moment are purely due to a few simple programming errors on the part of the participating retailers. They provide us the sales reports. If the programs that generate those reports don't work properly then we end up issuing the wrong credit amounts.

The majority of the crediting problems actually went in favor of the consumer. International shoppers really made out. With one store we learned the sales report totals were including the shipping costs. This was fixed.

The single largest pain in managing credits is when shoppers use the add/remove titles feature at Adult DVD Empire after placing an order. Any items added or changed after placing an order are not eligible for Kickback credit. I get a lot of complaints from people about this.

I don't think we'll start invalidating credits for orders that have been modified. In many cases the shopper has no control over cancelled items. We don't receive canceled item details on our sales reports. We just have an order tracking ID and an amount. If the amount on the report doesn't match the amount captured at the time the order was placed then we assume the order was modified and issue credit accordingly.




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