I was checking out one of my regular information sites and I noticed that AVN has an article dated Oct 10 about Kink. I'm including a link below but in case people don't care to read it than the gist of the article is that Peter Acworth says that Kink will or has stopped producing content for Public Disgrace and Bound in Public. Now I don't know if this means that the site will remain active but never update again like Bound gangbang or if they will completely remove the content. The article doesn't mention it. They are also changing the name of Hardcore Gangbang to Fantasy Gangbang. That one is a little baffling because I don't know if it's just a name change or are they also going to alter the shoots themselves to move away from the more extreme stuff they currently shoot to a more palatable shoot. I suspect that OSHA has a lot to do with their decision because Kink is in deep shit at the moment and this may be a way for them to help their case. I was never a fan of PD and I would not mind if their new/old fantasy gangbang is a little more mellow. I don't watch it to see women get slapped around. I watch it to see women take on a multiple of guys. http://business.avn.com/articles/technology/Kink-com-We-re-Shifting-Focus-to-Become-a-Lifestyle-Brand-576452.html Edited by - pat362 on Oct 11 2014
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Posted - Oct 11 2014 : 12:48PM
^Kink is not as wealthy as Manwin, and won't risk an exodus of members by giving PD the Pornstars Punishment treatment.The switch from BGB to HGB already involved some toning down. Since a common plot in many of the scenes starts with the pornstar character arranging the gangbang in some way, or sometimes even just dreaming about the gangbang, I think that the name change in meant to reflect the transition to that kind of setup and away from the rape scenarios used before.I would mind, I would mind quite a bit actually, and frankly if Kink's gangbangs become anymore toned down I think I'll be done with them. I want what I signed up for, not a boring ZTod No Limits clone.
^I don't know if they will keep the content of PD active because the article didn't say anything but there is a good chance they will simply because they kept the BGB stuff on the site after they killed the series. In no way did the actual content of BGB get toned down. The reason why they killed it was because the performers, as the title implies, were bound and that is where they got in trouble. The stuff on HGB is just as extreme as it was on BGB. I know you and I will never agree on the level of porn each likes because I'm not into the more extreme stuff like you are. I would like to point out that the article doesn't mention a toning down. It was just an observation and a wish of mine that they do. A gangbang by it's very nature is already something that is quite extreme and I just think that hurting the performer with slapping and what not is just pushing it too far.
Is the only place to buy the DVDs from their website? For the most part they have been removed from Adult DVD Marketplace. If anyone has suggestions please let me know. There are several scenes I am looking for any can't find.
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Posted - Oct 11 2014 : 3:03PM
^^I completely respect your view on gangbangs. I think there should exist a wide variety of this type of scene to appeal to the wants of different audiences. However, to quote myself "I want what I signed up for." I signed up to see other women fulfilling their fantasies of a rough gangbang. Kink is a BDSM site. As angry as I was (and still am) about Brazzers' terminatation Pornstars Punishment, I didn't leave. Why? Because Brazzers was still Brazzers. It was never a family of rough sex sites in the first place. Kink on the other hand is about dominance and submission, not generic porn. I don't agree at all that HGB is just as extreme as BGB was. Some of the scenes are, many aren't. In general the performers aren't manhandled nearly as much or as roughly as they usually were on BGB. It's not a huge difference, but it's noticeable enough that I and others have recognized it. The difference becomes especially clear when you look at scenes from pornstars who have shot for both sites, like Jodi Taylor. I liked her HGB shoot well enough but in no way was it as rough as her BGB scene was. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/11/2014 3:07:26 PM
Yeah, I know that type of sex appeals to some but it's not my thing either. I'd enjoy some of that stuff much better if the girl looked like she was actually into it. I know the girl gets interviewed and says she likes it or has always fantasied about it but that's not how it looks during the scene. I get that some people don't want to see the girl enjoying it but for me it's not fun to watch.
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Posted - Oct 11 2014 : 8:43PM
^Some pornstars enjoy it, some don't. I wonder if anyone here has seen someone who is seriously into the BDSM scene and not just shooting that sort of content for money dominated in a scene like PD's. Rain DeGrey is an example. She doesn't look she's enjoying that kind of treatment either in some of her scenes, yet that really is part of her lifestyle and she really does enjoy it. You're probably not going to look like you enjoy being humiliated and degraded during the act itself, whether you do or not. I really think that viewers need to move away from the assumption that most or all of the bottoms in these scenes can't possibly enjoy being treated like that. Many do.
^I know that you have to believe that some women enjoy it but I suspect that most if not all women do not enjoy it. Especially when it's on a porn set. It's just that some are better at pretending. In fact some are so good at it that they should get an award for their performance. Edited by - pat362 on 10/12/2014 8:28:57 AM
I believe that some women fantasize about being dominated by one or more men. There is a certain appeal to being wanted by multiple people so by extension a gangbang is just multiple partners all wanting to get at you. Of course the big difference in a domination fantasy is that the woman being dominated really isn't because she controls every aspect of the action while in a real gang bang she controls very little except to say when to slow down or when to stop and when was the last time you saw that in a kink shoot. I'd be super thrilled if the slapping, spitting and excessive chocking was gone from every Kink shoot. Who knows. Maybe they would get more performers interested in shooting for them. I know condoms is not to every one's' liking but does anyone complain when they see a condom on the toys used in an everything but or whipped ass scenes? You might be able to attract a lot more if they actually had condoms in their shoot.
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Posted - Oct 11 2014 : 9:14PM
^^Are you serious, or just being sarcastic? This is an honest question. I myself have been bound, then flogged and caned until I was sobbing and in intense pain, yet I enjoyed it. That is just one non-explicit example. More importantly, while I am not personal friends with any pornstars or adult film directors, I have actually attended two PD shoots in years past and know several people who have worked at the Armory. I know for a fact that there are many women and men who find enormous pleasure in BDSM play and more basic S&M.You have a right to your view, but it's a very selfish one. Not only would most longtime members leave if such a change were to occur but so would many of the directors. I like rough porn, but I don't wish that Naughty America scenes would all have slapping, spitting and excessive choking just to satisfy me. If people like what they get from that and similar sites, why I would I wish to deny them that for my sake? Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/11/2014 9:22:44 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/11/2014 9:23:18 PM
I believe that some girls do actually enjoy it or at least don't mind it because some keep coming back to shoot again and again. Chastity Lynn has shot some prett rough stuff with them several times at a time in her career when she didn't need to if she didn't like it to some degree. I think some girls might go in with the fantasy of liking it and it probably became more than they were expecting but to think no girl likes it seems a strange thing to say because there are obviously women who enjoy rough sex.
The stuff they put on DVD seemed to be the more tame stuff and not the real hard stuff they shoot. I have a KINK.COM subscription through my VIDEOBOX account. The scenes they offer there isn't their best stuff from their library but it's okay. For me personally I find only a small portion of what they do erotic. To me most of it is just bizarre and just coming up with strange things to do to women....but I guess that what "kink" is.
I amended my original post so my reply is somewhat different. I'm willing to agree that some women enjoy it in their private life but I seriously doubt that those women still enjoy it on a porn set.
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Posted - Oct 12 2014 : 9:26AM
This is still an ignorant and useless edit on your part as your view/post holds no merit without being able to consult with the women that have done shoots for kink or any other bdsm porn producer. Not to mention, if they enjoy in their personal life, why would you "doubt" they enjoy it on a porn set??? How do you know they don't enjoy it more??
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Posted - Oct 12 2014 : 5:27PM
^Making such a massive generalization is irrational. Do you have private access to extensive research on pornstars that has been withheld from the public? On what basis can you claim to know how "most if not all" pornstars feel about the sex they shoot?
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Can we get back on topic here? Let's talk about the re-marketing again. As I replied in another post I would love to see more of their DVDs, but it sounds like their old marketing has led them to release some of the weaker scenes not the really hardcore ones that fans, who have made the site very popular, enjoy watching again and again.
^Internet has generally been considered a safer distribution method for harder/edgier/kinkier content, as compared to DVD distribution. Maybe there are legal reasons; I don't know. But a number of studios (other than Kink) follow a similar policy. If you want the hardcore stuff, you always have the option to join the website. If you want it on DVD, you can burn your own DVD from the downloaded videos.
I'm from the old school of the internet. When people didn't take selfies and then were startled that they appeared on the nightly news. I don't sign up for any sites, so I guess I'll never get the scenes I want. I do buy from ADT, but they have recently removed those DVDs just when I finally discovered they sold them!
I don't think they have any choice in the matter. The laws that govern internet porn are a lot more lax than those that govern the sale of dvds. It's next to impossible to buy fisting content on dvd but Kink's Everything Butt is filled with it. The things that happened to Seymore, Max and John are why producers are reticent in offering content that might be deemed obscene. Especially when there are not many examples of what is considered obscene. At this point the only two things that everyone seem to agree is obscene is scat and bestiality porn. I'm not including underage porn as that is not only obscene but illegal. Edited by - pat362 on 10/13/2014 9:00:15 PM
Yeah I know. Like I said ADT had them for a hot second then * poof * they were gone! But they were also absurdly priced. This happened to Society SM, but you can still buy DVDs from their site. But again very expensive.
Looks like only the USA DVD releases are listed, not the European releases. Unfortunately if you're in the USA you're out of luck, Kink asked us to not sell them to US customers, so we don't. If you live in Europe, there are a lot of Kink titles available on DVD. Jacco
Never been a member of their site but I own about a dozen or so Kink DVDs (mostly Bound/Hardcore Gangbangs). Am I to understand that the content of these has in some way been "watered down"?
If you can let us know which HGB scenes you have on your DVD's and what lengths they are then I or someone else can probably tell you if the original material was longer
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