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Robert
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Posted - Apr 21 2014 : 12:41PM
I get notification of updates from Java on a regular basis and when it's convenient I download and install them.
The most recent, labeled Version 7 update 55 took exception to some of the web sites I visit as not having valid certificates. The install routine informed me that if I did not ask those sites to provide a valid certificate the current update would not be installed. My other option was to place the URL for those sites on an internal Java list of allowable exceptions. It provided instructions for accessing that list.
What it didn't do was indicate which sites were the problem nor how I might identify those sites so I could put them on the list.
I went to my control panel (Windows XP) and looked at Java that told me I had version 7 update 51 installed. Have no idea what happened to updates 52, 53 or 54.
I've been using a PC since before there was a Windows and presumably before there was a Java, so I'm not a complete novice.
I personally don't care if I have a current version of Java or not, so I canceled the current update. I guess at some point a web site is going to tell me I need to have a current version to be able to view it. I'll probably quit going to that site.
Anyone else experience this situation?
Any suggestions as to what I should do to avoid future grief?
I often wonder, when I encounter "problems" like these, what do users who have no idea what's going on with the software on their PCs, do to be able to continue have a useful device that sends/receives their e-mails and allows them to "surf" the net without "going down in flames."
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Posted - Apr 21 2014 : 4:01PM
There was a warning on the last version or previous version that an upcoming version was going to start requiring valid certificates.
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Posted - Apr 22 2014 : 11:07AM

Edited by - Goldstein on 4/27/2014 2:59:13 PM
Robert
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Posted - Apr 24 2014 : 3:12PM
Yes, I have done all the XP updates Microsoft has ever sent.
I don't recall any of the updates indicating there were any "Optional" updates. My XP updates are automatic and I get a message that there are updates ready to be installed. Most of the time it occurs when I turn off my PC. Windows tells me not to turn off, it will do it automatically when it finishes doing the updates.
I've never heard of this list and don't know where to find it. JAVA indicated that I should list all URLs (web sites) not having a valid certificate. Logically (to me) that would be an "Invalid Certificate List."
I always do what Microsoft tells me, although reluctantly since most of the time it just annoys me. I was hoping that with the end of support it would stop telling me what to do.
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Posted - Apr 24 2014 : 4:13PM

Edited by - Goldstein on 4/27/2014 2:59:46 PM
 
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Posted - Apr 25 2014 : 10:38PM
Robert, are you saying that you started to install 55 (I don't think there was a 52, 53 or 54, BTW), and the updater apparently ran some kind of check on your browser history and gave you an indication that some of the sites you go to don't have valid certificates? Because I've recently done the same update, and haven't gotten such a warning on any of the machines. I think if I were you, I would go back and complete the 55 update. Presumably, it you then try to go to a site that has a certificate problem, Java will pop up a roadblock, and you can then contact the webmaster of that site and encourage him to fix his shit, and/or you can decide to put it on the "allowable exceptions" list.
Robert
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12/06
Posted - Apr 26 2014 : 1:20PM
First, thank you for your reply.
I didn't get any indication that the JAVA update checked my browser history, but logically I guess that is what occurred.
That's the problem. It won't install the update until I fill in the Exception List to JAVA's satisfaction. What a bunch of crap!
I checked with my youngest grandson and he confirmed that such was the case. Interestingly, he also told me not to worry about doing the update, that JAVA was a dying language (even though they claim it is used in everything) and it is very unusual to encounter a need for a current version of Java.
I have continued to run, using Firefox and Opera on both my XP PCs and my JDownloader seems content with the JAVA version (51) I have installed so I guess I'll just stop trying to do the update.
I have enough irritations with XP, etc. that this is one I can ignore (I think). Every once in a while JAVA asks me to do the update and I tell it, later. I'm thinking about going to my Control Panel and finding a place I can check that will stop JAVA from asking to do the update.
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Posted - Apr 26 2014 : 2:20PM

Edited by - Goldstein on 4/27/2014 3:00:22 PM
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Posted - Apr 26 2014 : 5:34PM
I have had JAVA off for quite a while, and I honestly couldn't tell you the difference in not using it.

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Posted - Apr 26 2014 : 7:23PM

Edited by - Goldstein on 4/27/2014 3:00:57 PM
Robert
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Posted - Apr 27 2014 : 1:14PM
I tried to do what you instructed and I was unable to go to the Windows Update site, let alone the Optional updates.
I rarely use Windows IE but I have Version 8 installed. Of course Windows only allows you to access their web sites using IE and when I tried I got a message that I had to install ActiveX in order to see that web page. The instructions for installing ActiveX didn't work and as far as I could tell Windows wanted me to install another download manager that may or may not have downloaded and installed ActiveX.
By then I just said "screw it and the horse it came in on."
If Firefox disables it that is good enough indication for me that JAVA is close to useless. I use Firefox about 95% of the time and the other 5% I use Opera. About the only reason I use Opera is because it has an option that re-sizes the web page so I don't have to use that sliding bar, which has become necessary when viewing ADT forums.
Thank you all for your replies, I think we've beat this subject to death.



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