I'm waiting for the magic software to appear, just throw the video in and out comes a fully restored master in minutes, remove the watermarks and everything LOL!

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Here's one that's worse than 320, it's 240! It's like watching tv on your watch it's so small!

Elenia & Julia
https://www.indexxx.com/set/719189/karups-pc-elena-julia/

Unfortunately I know I'm beating a dead horse, there's no way Karups or SapphicErotica will ever upload the original uncompressed versions of the pre-widescreen videos on their sites!

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Well, I couldn't find that tweet, but this is him.

https://twitter.com/Paul4WestHam/status/526006540709265412

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I hope to see the day Sapphic Erotica and others who have large archives of tiny 320p resolution videos from the early 00's will upgrade them to DVD standards, or 480p, just keeping this topic going hoping someone in the know at one of these sites or affiliates can explain why no one seems to be capable of uploading clear 4:3 video on the net, it's not just membership sites but also VOD sites, go download an old scene from the early 00's at AduldDVDEmpire, or HotMovies, it's all the same, poor resolution, even if it says 480, it still has a very fuzzy image quality, so what's the deal uploading 4:3 video? Why can't it be clear like the 1080's? The 4:3's were shot in 480, why can't it appear that way when you upload it? Why is there so much compression loss, but yet you can upload a 1080 mp4 with absolute perfect image clarity!

The caps of Angelique and Cindy have been shopped, you have no idea how beautiful these scenes are because of poor 320 resolution, if they would clear them up it would be like living the early 00's all over again, it would be like brand new movies again! Nothing will come of it, I'm just beating a dead horse!

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It is a phenomenon that in a relative short period, from about 2003 to 2005 we have this period where all the major online startups were releasing hundreds of video online in 320p or less resolution because of bandwidth limitations, anything before that was released on VHS for the most part by brick and mortar studios, many porn video's originally released on VHS were eventually converted to DVD, you can still find movies released in the 90's on DVD for sale here and there, even the 80's! And these are DVD grade video with acceptable image quality, even if the original video were recorded on tape, but a lot of film from before DVD were recorded to DVD from the master copy eventually, you can tell by the image quality, it doesn't seem possible for studios who's inception was from the internet like ATK, Sapphic Erotica, Karups and so on, I mean correct me if I'm wrong but those outfits didn't start out like Hustler, Wicked or Vivid who before the internet were filming content themselves and producing it to VHS or even theatres if you go back far enough, no these online companies buy content to post on the net, they compress the video to save bandwidth producing horrible image quality and they won't fix it now that we have the ability to download high resolution video, and they damn sure won't put it on DVD, because they don't wan't to get their hands dirty, the old companies eventually released on DVD with good image quality, but the online companies are like fuck it, what's in the past is in the past, their not going to spend a dime or lift a finger to fix the problem they created, the awful quality video from about 03 to 05,

ATK did actually put out a number of DVD's with some of the dated material with much improved image quality from that of download versions, especially the Natural & Hairy series.

One of the best by ATKPremium from about 2005 starring Mili & Lucy, not on any DVD.
https://www.indexxx.com/m/mili-jay
https://www.indexxx.com/m/lucie-45

This is just a small example of a very high quality film of which there are thousands more like it, but the lazy ass'd MF'rs who run these sites won't do a damn thing about it, how would you like it if all your favorite Hollywood blockbuster movies like the original Star Wars, or The Terminator, or There's Something About Marry wre only available in compressed pixelated 320p? You would be absolutely pissed! Release the Master Copies!

Edited by - Bella on 8/8/2023 8:30:13 PM

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What pisses me off, there are or were back then some of the hottest models on the planet, tattoo free, really great looking girl next door types, really pretty but a little rough around the edges, not so super dolled up like today, a little hair down there more than now, there wasn't any damn social media or onlyfans that kind of stuff, it was a simpler time, of course it was 20 years ago! What pisses me off is we have hundreds and hundreds of lesbian video with models we'll never see again on the poorest quality video and I know damn well they used top of the line digital cameras to film those scenes, a period of about 2002 to 2005 we've been ripped off by online only sites who wouldn't produce DVD's with better resolution, so here again I've created a few photoshopped enhanced screen grabs from one of the 300+ 320p standard rez films lost in history, and by the way there's thousands of solo and hard core content trapped in a time warp of low rez image quality video at other sites from this period.

lovisa & karolin in "Carnal Kitchen" by Sapphic Erotica circa 2005 in 320p. https://www.indexxx.com/set/507419/sapphic-erotica-karolina-lovisa/

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I'm going to continue to beg on my hand's and knee's for SE and several other sites who have a treasure trove of dated content available only in 320p resolution to release the master copies, upload the uncompressed native resolution they were originally shot in, it's really the crime of the century the 2003 to 2005 standard definition videos have such poor image clarity and no one seems to be able or willing to fix it, I read here often people disenchanted with the current state of affairs with today's porn for whatever reason, some of it because of over saturation, in other words there's so much porn available it's become repetitive, studio's are running out of new ideas, it's the same old, same old again and again, well I have the solution, the new and improved content has been here all along trapped in fucking 320p res! No one watches it because you can't see it, no one even knows it's there! The only thing it's not widescreen 16;9, some mistakenly believe widescreen is the only way to get HD (high definition) and standard 4;3 is going to be poor picture quality no matter what, standard aspect ratio video is just as sharp in it's native resolution, in other words displayed in the same aspect ratio and resolution as the camera that shot it, some will say well, I can't get used to black bars on the sides of my wide screen monitor, I believe a sincere admirer and collector of high quality porn won't have a problem with black bars if they could get the uncompressed, unpixelated full resolution master copy's, in fact it'll be a revolution! 320p vids are in a time capsule ready to be rediscovered!

The video caps give an idea of what's possible if the videos were released on DVD, and to give an idea how spectacular some of the trapped in lousy 320p videos are.
https://www.sapphicerotica.com/movies/video-video-debutante/?nats=MTAwMTA4MS4xMDAwOS4xLjEuMC4wLjAuMC4w

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or this one...released 2003

or this one, released in 1985!

or this from 2003

or this one produced from 02-08! compilation

Imagine these iconic classics were only available in horrible 320p resolution like the 300+ classic standard videos from 2003 to 2005 at Sapphic Erotica, you may not be familiar with one or all the DVD's above, most are from the 03 to 05 era, even one from 1985! They all have iconic scenes and are available in full 720/480 DVD quality resolution, image quality is fairly decent even the one from 85 that most certainly was shot with tape! Why is it I can purchase this 1985 film with excellent image quality but yet video shot with digital cameras, probably not Walmart cameras, in 03 to 05 have pathetic image quality at Sapphic Erotica? Why can't the people at SE and Karups who also have hundreds and hundreds low quality downloads from that period do what is right and release the high quality master copies either to DVD or download from their respective sites!

There are so many really excellent scenes from the 03 to 05 period at SE, an absolute crying shame such horrible picture quality hurt your eyes to view, but through the haze and blur I can see there's so much potential to revitalize this lesbian porn niche market that I believe has become redundant, they are my early Greywood Video, my early Viv Thomas, my Thursday Night Video, my Video Marketing Concepts (VMC), Little Eva and Little Mutt from yesteryear, we could re-live that golden era again with a cleaned up version of the videos stuck in 320p Hell!

Another excellent scene from 2003 starring Amber & Jo Lee
https://www.indexxx.com/m/amber-75
https://www.indexxx.com/m/louise
Cream Bliss
https://www.sapphicerotica.com/movies/video-cream-bliss/?nats=MTAwMTA4MS4xMDAwOS4xLjEuMC4wLjAuMC4w

Both models are incredibly gorgeous but had fairly brief careers as far as I can tell, I believe I've seen both at Viv Thomas, the oral sex here is unbelievable, both women have large juicy labia and are not afraid to bury their face right in! Things really get wet when they smear whip cream over their bodies and proceed to lick every bit of it off! Lot's of spontaneity here, great film just a damn shame such horrible picture quality, interestingly this one in particular has pretty bad image quality even more so than others for some reason, which is a shame because it's one of the better ones!

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I have "If My Mother Only Knew" on VHS purchase in the 90's which is how I discovered the great lesbian scene with the iconic Amber Lynn and Ali Moore, later when available I got the DVD which has superior image quality to that of the VHS version, something I've done with many good scenes discovered through VHS before DVD became the standard medium, in the case with If My Mother Only Knew they used either the master copy or a very good copy of the original to render to DVD, and not just some old VHS tape as the source, if they did use VHS then it must'v been one of the best VHS tapes ever made as far as image quality is concerned, I understand the 3/4 masters weren't VHS, just that the movie was mass produced on VHS and sold through the 80's and 90's to home consumers.

Edited by - Bella on 8/24/2023 5:26:04 AM

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I'm aware of TNV, been a member there couple of years ago, nothing like the old days, there's something more raw, more real back then, not just TNV but all porn doesn't seem to have that have raw appeal anymore, maybe it's me, I'm just stuck in a time warp, imagine if TNV never released DVD's, it was only online and have you seen any of their online content from the 4/3 era, horrible image quality just like everyone else including SE, if it weren't for the DVD's they released primarily through LezLove Video and their own site, which I may never had heard of if it wasn't for LezLove Video, and all we had were these fuzzy, blurry, pixely 320p resolution videos, and we could see through the haze, and the fuzz how good these videos were, We'd all be crying the blues right now, Damn were lucky TNV released DVD's!

Just going to say it bluntly, online video from the early 00's aint shit! I'm not saying the content isn't shit, image quality is the problem, if TNV, GFF's, AW, VT hadn't produced DVD's and expected us to rely on pixely, fuzzy, blurry downloaded video with big fat watermarks from the early 2000's, there would be one Hell of a gap in good high quality porn from that period, some of that gap remains with the 300+ 320p vids at SE, release the fucking master copies man, How much many have I spent on those fucking sites and they let me down like this!

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The same mistakes are happening now with 1080p/4k with low bittrates. Obviously not as bad as 320p situation but is the same principle of reduced quality. Even outside porn industry like Netflix. Watched a show other day 4k. Filmed probably with 8k cameras and very high bit rate. Streamed on Netflix low bitrate fast action scenes blurred at highest rate Netflix will allow.

Going back to the porn industry very likely most masters are gone and if they exist no passion to reupload them. In some cases some great scenes don't exist anywhere anymore on any format.

Like yourself have some 480p Dvds with bitrate around 6000. Go to VOD for same film 480p bitrate 2000 at best. Then you realise bonus scenes or behind the scenes aren't on VOD. A lot of material from 1990s to even 2014 is missing unable on any format to watch.

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What's truly ironic is, I purchase a reissue of Caligula a few years ago, The Imperial Edition, three disc set, originally shot in the 70's, image quality is superb, but a fucking porn film shot in 03 has the resolution of a goats ass!

Caligula had a significant impact on my life because it is from that film I witnessed for the first time an x rated lesbian scene, and still to this day one of the best ever!

Edited by - Bella on 9/25/2023 10:29:00 PM

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Anyway the problem is porn scenes are seen as disposable especially in the more modern era where 30+ scenes are shot each day. Brazzers for e.g removed a lot of content due to legalisation and credit card issues. Could have easily edited the 1-3 minute of footage and reuploaded but didn't. Many scenes involving the best performers of the last 15 years.

Even if masters still exist would need to do a deal probably with a VOD company, upload say 720p video and be confident money will be made. I would like to see lost footage come back or reissues of past classic scenes in better resolution or bitrate but the key is there has to be at least a financial incentive. Vinegar syndrome did it for the 70-80s. Will a company do 90s-2000s and if so where would they start to make it a viable proposition. My guess would they start with Vivid or later Caballero content.

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Much of what I do here is sarcastic, I know nothing will come of it, but I'm also being a little serious, you're point about financial incentives is probably correct, I wonder do they have to contact the models and ask permission to re-upload a newer version of the films, or did they sign a contract giving content providers permission to display the videos as they see fit in perpetuity? Would they or should they (the models) receive royalties if their videos suddenly appeared on DVD? It could open a whole new can of worms remastering the old content, and the studio's in that respect, I can understand why they wouldn't want to touch it, there is a lot of content out there I've seen repurposed again and again by different distributors, do those models get royalties?

This is just the tip of the ice burg!

Edited by - Bella on 9/29/2023 6:36:12 PM

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Melodie and Tracy, "Tribbing Twosome"
Tribbing Twosome

Cindy and Darlene "Kitchen Sweethearts"
Kitchen Sweethearts

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At least for the 80s, I wouldn't expect anything miraculous. Likely better than DVD quality, but below 720p.

And I wouldn't expect any if what Bella us looking for. I suspect it will be plot-based only with some sort of additional catch to it if it is going to end up profitable.

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The bigger issue may be music rights, if they obtained the rights legally, that may not transfer.

And who actually owns the material and what they have. Over time companies sell footage/films they are no longer using to companies like FilmCo (which was at one point an actual producer of adult films and not just a compilation generator) who will endlessly recycle it in complilations

And when material is sold, the masters don't necessarily go with it. So the current copyright holder isn't necessarily in possession of the master footage.

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This one is 720:540! Very nearly dvd quality, all the sites (specially SE!) could've learned a thing or two from C17, most of their pre-widescreen legacy videos available for download have exceptional image clarity, and they put them all on DVD too! Not sure what to make of this new Adult Prime, they actually cropped the bottom off the old vids (and sides too) to make way for the new clubsweetheaarts.com watermark! If you didn't get the videos with the watermark you see below, but instead clubsweethearts.com, I'm afraid you missed out, the cropped vids have slight image degradation compared to before.

Louise E from the video "Louise E & Kelly G, Louise and Kelly Make Love In The Bed"

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I did not enhance these in any way to make one look worse than the other or vice versa, these are raw screen grabs, notice there are no gaps in Ella's teeth in the PAL version!
Jo & Ella from...shit I can't remember where this is from! Basically this scene appears on several Viv titles.

When I discovered this I tried to find all the PAL versions to replace my Lez Love (NTSC) versions, sadly most had gone oop by the time I figured this out! Definitely wanted the Pink Velvet series in PAL, and I got it from SimplyPorn, and all the while we were getting our VT DVD's from LL back in the early 00's, we could've been getting them in PAL at European online shops, the problem was, Who knew this in early 00's?

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The last standard screen video (4/3) appeared July 2006 titled "Teen Orgy" Teen Orgy

There was about a year and a half of overlapping widescreen and standard screen uploads at the site, it wasn't a sudden cutoff like ok, today we begin 16/9 and no more 4/3, but was more of a slow transition, one content provider (Oliver Brand) continued to shoot 4/3 content and selling it to SE for over a year and a half after the 16/9's first appeared on the scene, what I find curious is the fact from the first widescreen in 2004 every 16/9 video has been remastered (meaning re-uploaded with better image quality) several times, obviously they couldn't have uploaded successive higher image quality widescreens over the years without the original native resolution master copies in their possession, but they couldn't (or wouldn't) with the 4/3 videos that were being produced at the same time, being there was such an overlap leads me to assume SE possesses both widescreen and standard screen master copies from late 2004 to middle 2006, what I'm getting at here they have to have the 4/3 masters as well as the 16/9's, they didn't have the content providers send the 4/3's in 320p res, they were sent the master native resolution copies shot with high end digital cameras the same as the 16/9's, I'm going to step out on a limb here and state for the record Sapphic Erotica has those damn master copies of standard screen era video but refuses to upload the higher resolution copies for whatever reason.

Something caught my eye several years ago was an apparent re-edit of an original wide screen 2005 film when after several years SE decided to remaster the old WMV (windows media video) to MP4's, there is a particular shot that was so eye catching you couldn't help but notice when it didn't appear after the MP4 transition, notably the video titled "Absolute Oral" starring Dorina (Stella Stevens) & the SE icon Rene, Absolute Oral

This first screen grab is the notable shot of Rene sitting on Dorina's lap with Rene positioned directly facing the camera in a shockingly graphic pose!

Now we have the corresponding MP4 which doesn't show the same camera angle as in the original 05 release.

I've noticed about 5 or 6 wide screen videos from 05 that were re-edited in this manner, also notice image quality is much improved over the old WMV from 05, I would imagine this is an in house edit by SE, they simply re-timed the two separate camera angles giving more time to one camera shot and less to the other or vice versa, but I disagree with the editors choice here, the shot of Rene facing the camera is an epic shot I would've kept in the second edit, but doesn't appear at all in the new edit.

Widescreens were remaster'd at least 3 times I'm aware of, first the WMV's, then MP4's in 720 format, then their latest incarnation 1080's with even further image improvement, I don't believe they'll be any 4K's with the older 16/9's.

Just wan't to say again how disappointed I am that the wonderful pre-widescreen era films at SE and others can't be released with better picture quality, these were primarily online only startups who didn't release DVD's at the time and because of this the native resolution original master's are probably lost, the only option is maybe do what is referred to as up-scaling, using technology to improve image quality which would require fairly expensive software, I'm aware of historical film up-scaled by teams of very dedicated artists actually touching up every frame of the film, don't think it's worth going that rout!

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Sapphic Erotica was founded in the US, many of the earliest films were US origin with US actors, I have to look up when was the last US film uploaded!
Some of these early US films are absolutely exquisite, including this one which has relatively good image quality considering the small bitrate,
very simple setups with SE, no gigantic storyline, maybe a little small talk at the beginning, I call them quaint little vignettes!

Laila & Pixie made two videos together (and photo sets) which was typical for SE, usually a pair of models made two films together, then maybe each model made a few more with other pairings, in the early days, not now.

It would be like the second coming of Christ if this film and others like it from that era would appear on DVD or remastered for download, I'd prefer DVD!

Lots of beautiful kissing here, very sensual, no toys.


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