P.S: Huge is an understatement when it comes to some of their models. Some of them have shot more videos for AV/LP in a few years than most will shoot in their entire career. You can't tell me that hiring the same women all the time to do the same thing with the same people is a good business model no matter how good the performer is. At some point the return on investment is simply no longer there.

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I'll think of more...it's really nice in cowgirl, almost always my fave. Adriano has a lot...and Jules Jordan. Adriano and Kelly Devine in Bangbros was insanely hot, they even cut for messy anal.

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But this can't be a major issue for them. They still have to be raking it in because prices have remained high. I suspect that success of OF, MV and others with their expensive scenes shows that there is a market of people willing to spend a lot per scene.

So these days, instead of spending $40 CAD per month at AV I spend $40 CAD annually to get the Christmas orgy and then use up the remaining tickets on other scenes that interest me. Others must be picking up the slack.

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Yes, I am in the same boat. I had two rolling subscriptions at one point and still sometimes topped up inbetween. Now I have one subscription.

I think their strategy is to milk the "whales", those relatively few consumers who disproportionately spend a small fortune feeding their passion/addiction.
In the case of LP/AV they have always erred this way. The very reason I had two subscriptions in the first place is because they penalised their biggest spending customers by charging them more per ticket (a subscription being 144 tickets and a top up, at the same price, only 120 tickets).
I buy proportionately very little now but always find the second tier studios a bit more interesting. You feel here that if something unexpected or different happened that the director wouldn't run to the hills editing it out to guarantee exactly the same sanitised scene as every other time. Giorgio goes out ofbhisbway to encourage the models to push asuch of their colon out of their body as they can manage but appears to have a major hangup over sex not being squeaky clean. Thatvand the incredible cookie cutter approach. If you want Giorgios latest scene you could probably get some video editing software just to swap the models head over, it has all become so artistically lazy.

It is a real shame imo. If they utilised the Pornworld sets they have access to and added the paper thin plots of PW and Private it would immediately become a more interesting product (in fact PW has headed a bit in that direction with some of the harder edged setups but not set in the windowless porn cells that Gonzo and Giorgio Grandi use every single scene.
Nothing will change though. Why spend any additional effort whatsoever when you can keep painting the same picture; selling the same picture again and again and again and the money rolls in.

PS: apparently the price increases were because the poor old producers just couldn't manage to turn a profit on the old price structure.
I know I know, so how did Giorgio Grandi, by his own admission not doing well financially when he joined LP, manage to start making scenes at what must have been a huge loss for year on year and then, after bragging how much sales had increased in recent years suddenly needed to double his prices just to keep his head above water? Maybe in the Czech Republic there is a tax surcharge on buildings that have no windows and all the charm of a terrorist detention centre?
The answer can be found located usually where cattle have been feeding.
The price structure is their business: they are free to gouge the whales if that is what works for them.
Being fed bullshit as to why is what sticks in my craw.

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1-While it's possible that there are enough "whales" in the porn ocean that are willing and more importantly able to fork over the huge amounts of money needed to keep the site running at a profit. My gut feeling is that if the owners of the site didn't own the most profitable tube sites on the planet then AV/LP might already to stopped adding so much content. They simply add way too many videos each day to make it feasible to earn enough to keep doing that. Especially when the kind of porn they shoot must be more expensive than other studios.

2-It's hard to argue with the success of Giorgio's brand of porn because as far as I know he is both their oldest producer and their most prolific one. Some people only know him from his days at AV/LP but I knew of his work long before that when he had his own sites and I can confirm that not much as changed with his style since those days.

3-Now as to the increased amount of prolapse well seeing as this is a results of an anal cavity injury then I'm not sure he could do much about it since the women who do it might not be able to not do it even if they wanted to as this is the kind of injury that requires medical treatment and they can't get treatment if they keep doing the kind of extreme anal penetration they have to do because it won't work.

4-I'm not so sure that if they decided to use the sets that PornWorld (Really DDF)) has that it would make a difference because it is the kind of porn DDF shoots that really differentiates them from the kind AV/LP does. They share the same models and ultimately the own PW so they make money from that site already and they can even import their videos to AV/LP and make more money by selling those videos using their ticket system.

5-I think my explanation as to how AV/LP is able to produce so much porn as already been explained in my number one reply so my only answer as to the price increase is that they wanted to make more money and they increased their prices. I suspect that enough people were willing to pay those new prices and that's why they have kept them high. The day they start to see a significant drop in new memberships and ticket buying is the day they start dropping their prices or significantly reduce their daily output.

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Much we agree on but the bits we don't here is my response:

1) I think the number of new videos is a red herring. The site owner is not adding the vast majority of the new content. The "gonzo" branded scenes are his, as are the Private and Pornworld stuff (and I think the Bang Bros scenes) but everything else is third party. Indeed , many of the new "studios" appear to be run by porn stars themselves who have appeared on LP and now realise they can get a greater share of the pie uploading their own scenes. How successful many of these ventures are is anybody's guess but clearly the vast majority of them are not shifting the sales that the Gonzo studio and Giorgio's three studios (Giorgio Grandi, Giorgio's Labs and XFreaX) are.

2) Similarly, I had a subscription a couple of times to his old No Rest For the Ass and associated sites and much remains the same from those days. However, when he joined LP he made a number of productions the kinds of which you just don't see anymore. Two-parters like The Belle Factor and Lara's Perversions were filmed in different locations. His sets actually had windows and natural light..... hell, you even caught a glimpse of a window occasionally! Somewhere along the line he realised he could make as much, or close enough, for a fraction the effort. Indeed, we know from his own posts that he hired another guy to shoot most of the scenes and he would give this guy a list of what positions to include and in what order. At that point his studio just became a production line with three or four incredibly lifeless sets and half a dozen formats to be implemented by someone else working to an instructiuon sheet. It is then the ultimate production line porn.

3) This is where I think your lack of familiarity with his recent work shows. Giorgio encourages his models to push their colons out and praises them when they do. You can see4 the same actress in Giorgio's scenes and then elsewhere (notably Gonzo studio, as the owner of Pornbox himself has said several times that prolapse porn sickens him and he doesn't like to see it filmed) and they are like night and day in this regard. I have seen Giorgio encourage newer girls to "work on their prolapse" and if you watch his fisting/wondertoys scenes you can see him working with them to try and get as much of their internal organs out their body as they can manage. I will be honest, it is the one aspect of the site that leaves a really bad taste in my mouth as it is one act that when porn-haters go to town on I can think of no response against them. Encouraging young women to give themselves a medical condition that may well require surgery down the line is pretty weird imo and I 100% disagree with you that this is just something that is some side product of the extreme anal. Prior to this we have had many actresses fuck and fist their asses for years without their guts falling out.

5) When you more than double your prices you can afford a pretty significant drop in scene sales and still make as much or more money. I don't so much see the daily output reducing if sales diminish as this is a clips site with more and more studios onboarding all the time but I do agree this is likely the only thing that would cause ticket prices to reduce.

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Ella Elastic seems to have gone, maybe for Christmas. She never did in ten scenes more than anal and dp. She did do GS.

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If only I could access their exclusive scenes conveniently instead of having shit from other studios that I'm already paying for in the browsing pages.

Also, seriously, is there any way to save up on acquiring these scenes? Could they at least try to make it feasible to get access to all their scenes? Even if I subscribed for 40 tickets a month, that sure for shit won't get me much. I'd say that one-pass all-access unlimited libraries spoiled us, but it's 2022 and that's the only thing that makes sense now when it comes to online content.

You guys got a good deal or something?

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I started buying LP scenes (using the recurring monthly ticket option) probably more than 10 years ago and kept that up for several years. This is subjective, but even though LP was more expensive than a standard porn subscription I found it to be a good value. I was paying more, but I was getting more too. But then my tastes started to change a bit and it seemed that the scenes were becoming a bit repetitive. But when the prices shot up it was no longer a good value for me and I cancelled my recurring tickets.

This model is obviously working for them. They've been cranking out scenes with these new high prices for three or more years now. If it wasn't working they'd likely have tried something else. I suspect that there are enough people who are hardcore fans of AV stuff that they will pay anything and it keeps the site/studios profitable.

I owe you a 'thanks' for mentioning this. It reminded me that I bought tickets on December 25 to get the annual Christmas orgy and that those are probably recurring. I'd better go cancel that now.

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I've read that their video quality is substantially better than most other studios (and I even noticed right off the bat that their files are almost double the size of your average 4K porn scenes). But I don't think it's enough to keep me loyal to them, nothing to divert my attention from the price. But like you said, they definitely have a user base who's content with that.

My man, at least you've been a long time collector, you did it gradually. Entering late to the game makes it much tougher to be convinced. And I do agree that their scenes do become repetitive, to the point where sometimes I can barely discern the difference between one scene and another. More push factors than pull as far as I can see, TBH.

I will mention, though, that PornWorld seems worth it so far. As long as I don't find any restrictions. So far I have access to seemingly everything, but I feel like a payment prompt is gonna pop up at some point.

Cheers

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It turned out to be no risk at all and I had recurring tickets for at least five years. In many months I'd buy more tickets too.

Back when I joined they had a loyalty program too. They may still have something now. Back then I got free tickets when I bought paid tickets. The free tickets were usable on a separate page with older videos. I still have some free tickets and scenes that I bought a couple of years ago are now available there.

I have probably near 1200 AV/LP scenes and while I complain about the repetitiveness of them, the truth is that if the prices per scene were lower, I'd still be a recurring member. It's all about the value, and I don't think they have enough value at the current pricing levels.

I've considered joining some of the more reasonably-priced studios. Porn World is one of them. I suspect you're safe there and won't run into any hidden costs. I recently stumbled on Rebel Rhyder's studio there and I'll likely join that in the coming days as it is reasonably priced and, for me, it seems like a good value.

I suspect you and I are in a large club of people wishing that AV would charge lower prices, but I can't see that happening.

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What if a model has produced for legalporno, but isn't doing the legalporno mascara-running anal bangs and gross stuff?

Could you fault a company for booking a model featured on legalporno, but was unaware due to the productions occuring close to each other? In europe, a model could become available, and end up shooting for multiple companies in the same month, or even week, and the models don't really know who they are shooting for until a few days before sometimes.

I'm aware of the czech team Nubiles has. If a new model becomes available, they are one of the first to shoot them. But if 2 weeks later she shoots for LP, but LP posts their scene before nubiles due to a faster editing schedule, it's hard to fault Nubiles for that.

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For the first part, though that's a pertinent consideration and I had made exceptions earlier in my dive into the adult entertainment world (about two years now, forty or so sites over that time) though due to the prevalence of this issue I had to simply make it a blanket statement - no matter the style it's part of the overall problem. Even working for them, or their smaller affiliated studios, further lends an air of legitimacy to them, perpetuating the overall problem. Same as bigger names that go there, or go back there - treated clearly different than some no-name fresh newbie from Russia (who many times does a few scenes there and never does porn again or is otherwise soon out of the business) - it further serves to exacerbate the overall problem, any actions that further legitimatizes the company and it's practices in question.

As to faulting a company but being unaware - I'm a nobody, not in the industry at all, with no connections to agents and if I know, and am able to find out within mere seconds to minutes, I find it really hard to give them a pass on ignorance, their not knowing. Especially if it were a case of them being willing to not cast LP veterans or models and then not taking the few seconds to minutes it takes to find out. (Again, if I can do it, surely those in the business with more resources and connections than what I have at my disposal can do it.)

As to the specific situation of shoots opening up in Europe and the model shooting at multiple places - still, I have to believe the company should know, or the agents would be able to tell the company. Doesn't the girls agents have the information? The sad thing is I don't believe a single company cares, or bothers to check, and won't, not until they see that represented that folks care, or that it affects business in some way. And for the models not knowing they're going to shoot there - gods above, isn't that even more nightmarish that the place and it's practices even exist and then they spring it on new, fresh, inexperienced teens? Leaving them with literal life long medical injuries they wouldn't otherwise have until much later in life, if at all (anal prolapses, pelvic floor/cervical prolapses, etc).

The thing about shoots and when they get uploaded or posted is most of the companies flat out refuse, and do their best to obfuscate, the date that they were truly filmed. Club Sweethearts in emails with their team behind the scenes refused the idea of posting when the scenes were filmed. The Nubiles team just brought back Amelia Davis for a second round, this time much longer after initial LP tours. There's been more than a couple repeat performers in this vein. I think Nubile just featured Kris Fox, aka Kris the Fox, and when I found her on Eurobabe Index they had linked up an article in Russian detailing her passing away! In 2019, their editing isn't just slow, it appears to be glacial if this is the case. And it's only solos - with the fans asking over and over again for still camera and fully body shots in the comment sections, it seems that the editing shouldn't be that slow that it takes literal years. But that's beside the point and the recent example of their bringing back Amalia Davis (Devis) for a second round of videos. I have to believe they know full well for her. They example you offered may well be the case, but again, the companies themselves either don't care, or they balk/refuse to just give the information as to when the scenes are truly filmed.

In the end I've found I have no other personal choice but to put my money where my mouth is, as indicated in my original reply, the one you'd replied to - drawing the hard line and canceling memberships due to casting LP models (whether veterans, newbies, the ones that prolapse or the ones that just dabbled once and left). Especially if the conceit is new girls, or legal teens - to me, utterly damning for those websites to use LP models.

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You do you pal, but jesus f christ, don't brag about it.

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If you want producers to hire more LP veterans, ask for it. Sign up at sites when you see their models being cast and tell them why you're there. Myself? I'll never do that, just the opposite - I CANCEL memberships due to their casting, period. Color it how you will. May Thai on Femjoy? Cancelled, and I sent feedback accordingly. In no world should I be subject to LP veterans at Femjoy. Or MetArt. Or VivThomas. All - cancelled, by me, and feedback sent to their feedback departments as to why: the continual casting of Legal Porno models.

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Not all women go in there with the ability to prolapse, scratch that, with the medical condition known as prolapsing. Many go in there as rank, raw newbies and wind up, after a few scenes of punishing, brutal DP, TAP and the like, with assholes that now are beginning to prolapse. Earlier in this thread there was discussion regarding the women having to use lidocaine, a numbing agent, in order to endure the body altering damage done to their assholes there. Earlier, on this very page, and in other places all across ADT, it's been talked about the multiple scenes where the girls have blood dripping from their torn and brutalized assholes.

Regarding if it's safe or consensual, it wasn't until recent issues that came up that they started filming BTS footage, to maintain the facade of everything being on the up and up. But when women are crying on camera, with blood dripping from their ruined assholes, leaving them with broken assholes that they start having to be careful with to prevent them from falling out in future scenes on other sites, it surely makes a person wonder. That and coupled with the allegations up thread about keeping women locked up on their compound until agreeing to do things they hadn't agreed to do when originally sent there, it's super troubling. Many of these young women are brand new to the business, have no real clue how it works, and unscrupulous agent through them at LP, putting them through the gauntlet, often they stop doing porn, the few that manage to make it through they put back through it all as soon as they can, finding their new "trooper". There was some very disturbing reports on this pages back in here.

Even if they do know about what they're going to get into there, and think they're prepared, I would argue many aren't fully aware of the potential life long bodily alterations and complications that occur due to the hard use they're put through at LP. Make no mistake - anal, DP, etc. it can all be done in a safe manner that prevents these issues, these issues are brought on due to the deliberate intentional brutalization.

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It only follows, then, when you're spending your money on these performers, and the sites they're being filmed at, that it's fully logical to indicate to them why you joined, what you like, what you don't like, and why you cancel, if you did (or why you resubbed, if you did). What's wrong with that? In my estimation nothing, and it's something that everyone does when they make the decisions to spend, to not spend, to spend more or less, though that is much too ambiguous for the companies to garner any meaningful takeaways from, so for some users, like myself, we give specific feedback as to why we spent, why we're spending more or why we're deciding to cancel and spend less.

Spending or not is a form of pressure, regardless of if one speaks out on their decision or not, giving feedback at various websites.

I have a feeling that the political zeitgeist is coloring your distaste, and the feeling I get is from the use of "cancel culture" - I'm not part of that, I'm neither a righ-wing or left-wing ideologically, my political leanings aren't represented in Western politics. If you frequented Adult Time you'd have seen other takes that folks in the "cancel culture" world from me that they'd have loved to take their runs at me over (a few did). I'm not a liberal nor a conservative. Just wanted to make that clear, as I was getting the feeling that I was getting lumped in with the "woke" cancel culture crowd - that's not me. Just the same, I'm no conservative either.

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I can't stand prolapses so that rules out a lot of episodes.

I am always surprised LP never tries for a throat bulge but that is a real skill on the girls's part.

Max Hardcore is still the benchmark.

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The rest of your post is a disgusting compendium of rumors and propaganda. You really have no idea what you're talking about, You literally have 0 information but you don't mind repeating all this garbage because you don't like the content.

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As for the pissing thing. I get that you're not into it and that's understandable. You're never going to fuck these girls though so what does it matter to you if they've drank some piss in past scenes? Why would it stop you enjoying scenes where they're not getting pissed on. Pissing is becoming the new anal in that many, many girls have now done at least one piss video, whether it's an onlyfans thing or a pro shot one so, if that's enough to stop you watching their porn, you will start limiting yourself quite a bit.

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