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Edging
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Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 4:54PM
Pro/am porn isn't all that popular these days, but there used to be porn series that were built around picking up amateurs to perform sex acts with professional pornstars -- the Shane's World College Invasion series is a good example. They would recruit college girls (off camera) to fuck one of their studs -- typically those girls would never be seen in porn again (I think they might have even blurred their faces, but I forget). Another variant was to have professional girls go out and recruit amateur guys for immediate sex acts -- they would literally walk up to a group of guys on the beach and ask if they'd like to receive a handjob, and then cut to the girl and one of the guys, with them still in their swimsuits walking into a motel room, where she jerks him off.
My impression is there are limits, though, to how this can be done, primarily due to STD testing regulations on the porn industry. In the case of the amateur girl above, she no doubt had to get tested before doing the scene, so there was a delay between when they first recruited her and when she did the scene. But in the example of the guy above, I get the impression that they can get away with more immediate filming, so long as there's no penetration.
Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone knows for sure what limits productions in going out with a hand-held camera to a dance club or beach and offering amateurs money to immediately film them doing something.
Edging
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 9:29PM
Anyone?
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Posted - Mar 16 2016 : 12:01AM
Isnt it frustrating when you post a new topic and no one replies, yet a topic on something even more unique and trivial gets a million hits, and then you have to bump your own thread ?
I dont have any answers, but did enjoy some of the shanes world stuff. I cant recall any time where the girls werent professional in it, but i do recall a professional girl jerking off some regular dude (its odd to see a regular size cock in pron)
Also, dont knwo if you would count it as Pro-AM, but expoloited college girls basically has girls who are supposed to be amateurs.


Edging
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Posted - Mar 17 2016 : 5:02AM
College Invasion 2 is a great example of what I was talking about. Scene 2 has Flower Tucci jerking off a random guy who won a party contest (he's wearing the same shirt at the party that he wears during the handjob). Scene 5 has Cali Cox saying "we just picked up some boys from Florida, we met them one floor down, they say they don't care about the camera" that she proceeds to jerk off. Scene 6 has Tayla Rox meeting a guy on the beach and proposing on the spot (with beachgoers all around) to take him back to his room and give him a handjob, which she does. Scene 7 has Cali Cox on the beach saying she's met a guy on the beach that has agreed to get a blowjob from her up in his room.
Anyways, the pattern there is that in all the scenes where the sex acts take place "immediately" after meeting the guy, they seem limited to handjobs and blowjobs, while the other scenes with amateurs and penetration are obviously planned well-ahead. So I'm guessing this is due to legal restrictions on what sex acts you can perform without STD testing, or perhaps some other legal restrictions. But I'm wondering if anyone has real knowledge of that subject they can share -- if you have a female pornstar go out to a public place and recruit an amateur guy, or a male pornstar go recruit an amateur girl, how much can they do that same day, and why?
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Posted - Mar 17 2016 : 5:26AM
I'm pretty sure even with the BJ and HJ scenes the guys need to sign a waiver, in particular to say they are of age, they just do it off camera to give the impression it is shot on the fly.
At one time people claimed pro/am was the future and you still see the occasional goofy mainstream article claim that amateur porn on the web has cut into pro porn profits, something I very much doubt.
There are occasionally some great amateur scenes but the majority show you why the likes of Gianna and Manuel are great performers and why you need good directors like Mason and Stagliano to shoot the action.
In particular why do so many amateurs leave the TV on when having sex? Find that very distracting and annoying. Also having a jerk to finish in amateur porn seems to defeat the main selling point of amateur porn: naturalism and passion, in theory at least.
Edited by - BlackSix on 3/18/2016 10:15:59 PM
 
Edging
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Posted - Mar 18 2016 : 5:14PM
Yes, I'm sure there's paperwork that must be signed before shooting sex acts on camera, but that can be done on-the-spot (even if it's off-camera), while the results of a STD test take too long for them to recruit them and shoot them the same day -- so from what I can infer from what I've seen on camera, a BJ/HJ does not seem to require a STD test, while penetration does.
What I'd like to see is a production company take two of their hottest young female pornstars and give them a reality-porn series, where they go out to bars/clubs to get hit on by guys, and they pick up a guy or two each night to take back to their limo in the parking lot for an immediate BJ/HJ. Then off-camera the guys would get STD tested and some days later he would shoot a more elaborate sex scene with one or both of the girls at their hotel room, using a bunch of pre-positioned cameras and a handheld camera that is used by the girl not being fucked. If the girls and/or subscribers vote thumbs-up to his performance, the girls would continue to hook up with him, or invite him to participate in group sex scenes. Thus they would generate a steady stream of reality-porn scenes, a mixture of recruiting fresh amateurs for BJ/HJ, first time sex, and repeat hookups. They could also do this sort of thing "on tour", going to a new city each week or each month, and shooting a gangbang scene at the end of each stop.
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Posted - Mar 18 2016 : 5:48PM
A BJ without condom would be a STD risk.
Maybe it's all "staged" and just constructed in such a way to make it appear impromptu. And maybe the reason for restricting the action to HJ/BJ is because it is cheaper and because it easier to make the scene work even if the guy(s) can't get it up.
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Posted - Mar 18 2016 : 10:15PM
Edging, have you ever seen Jamie Gillis' On the Prowl? That is the original 'reality porn' or proto-gonzo that was parodied in Boogie Nights.
I notice a lot of the attempts at this kind of amateur porn usually end up using pro male talent pretending to be regular joes since using regular joes even for HJ or BJs is often a waste of time as they can't get it up. Can He Score? is an example of that.
Edited by - BlackSix on 3/18/2016 10:18:39 PM
Edging
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Posted - Mar 20 2016 : 4:11PM
I'll have to look around for On the Prowl, but I assume it is hard to find these days.
I can't prove it, but I think if you go watch the various College Invasion scenes (I've only watched the early releases recently), they really fall into three categories:
1) Pro/Pro with all the usual gonzo porn conventions and positions, sometimes on a beach or other "location".
2) Pro/Am with penetration, with amateurs that weren't shown in parties/crowds, shot in a fairly controlled environment (hotel room or frat house room, with a production crew). The amateurs can be either male or female. The guys frequently have trouble getting it up or keeping it up, or cum too quickly. The girls sometimes look very uncomfortable, or there are edits that suggest she called time-out. The girls almost never volunteer emotion or play up the action, the way a professional or a girl looking to get in the business would, and for the most part they just endure it, or at best they have their eyes closed and might be enjoying it.
3) Pro/Am with BJ/HJ, frequently with guys that were shown earlier being recruited in public or at a party, many of which are fat or have small cocks. I can't think of an example where an amateur girl is recruited in public and does a non-penetration scene in College Invasion, but there could be some in other releases.
But... like I said, the whole point of this thread is to ask if anyone actually knows what the laws are (or used to be, during the College Invasion era, compared to now).
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Posted - Mar 20 2016 : 7:44PM
Depends on the state. In most states it is illegal to shoot porn period. Some states or countries have laws allowing prostitution if it is just between people in a private space, again sounds like these kind of scenes probably cross the line many times over.
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Posted - Mar 23 2016 : 5:30PM
Is it legal for company based in the USA to completely bypass such restrictions by sending American pornstars on "business trips" to nearby destinations like Mexico or the various Caribbean islands (assuming such destinations have fewer restrictions)?
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Posted - Mar 23 2016 : 6:15PM
Yep, LegalPorno shoots American performers in Mexico. Most likely because some of the crew can't get into the US due to some kind of felony conviction. Very sketchy if you ask me.
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Posted - Mar 23 2016 : 8:38PM
Or there are less restrictions to work or obtain a business visa in Mexico and a cheaper vacation.
Occcam's dude.



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