so id be interested in what the forum thinks about this - there have been a few scenes from old films (80s/90s) that despite looking at every purchase site, every pay-for-down load site, and even searching secondary markets like ebay, the title just does not exist anymore - then I find the scene on a tube site - is there a moral issue with getting a scene from a tube site when there is no other possible way to obtain it?
While I may tolerate such behaviour , the scene still has its owner , I mean there are thing in my house I never use , and probably will never do, yet such stuff is still mine , it's my property, belongs to me, whether I use it or not , nobody is allowed to enter in my home and take it because I'm not using it and he needs it. This legally on the other hand there's no way to affect any interest using a copy someone find to expensive to distribute anymore.
Some reasons why the owner might not make it available for sale. The money shot is caused by the female, not the usual third hand. The scene probably has no anal. There is also that gay thing where the male kisses the female's facial. When that happens to me I usually take it from the tube site and put the title on my purchase list. But I have not been careful enough and some producers have reused the titles and sold me something else more than once. Buyer beware!
A similar discussion was held in this thread a few years back: Is it stealing if...? That thread addressed downloads more than tube sites, and also was interested in legality issues, so I don't think that thread makes your thread here irrelevant, but anyway here is some of what I wrote at that time: ...who can know why a particular work isn't available at this time. Who gets to decide whether it should have been released already or not? Who gets to decide whether the reason it hasn't been released yet is justifiable, or 'fair"? Certainly not us, who have nothing to do with the company or the process. ...the idea that "we deserve to have it" comes from this concept of consumer culture which leads us to believe that we deserve to have access to anything and everything, so long as we have the capital to acquire it. While this is what we're often taught in popular culture and perhaps even in schools, there is no reason inherent to the movement of the universe... that requires this to be true. In fact, you can't always get what you want (I think I heard that phrase somewhere ), nor do you get to decide which things you can and can't have. You and I have no inherent right to be able to own any given thing. Many things are available for purchase, and many are not. That's just how it goes. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/28/2014 11:33:15 PM
very reasonable observations, my fearless moderator. You make very good points! )As an aside, ive been posting great topics here for a decade - what moves you up from general commoner status??)
Legally speaking, it's illegal (copyright infringement); none of us will be alive when/if the copyrights ever expire. Practically, the tubesites and download sites and a few obsessed fans are the only thing keeping some of these old scenes from disappearing into obscurity. Economically, I can't forsee any future developments making it feasible for a copyright owner to digitize and re-print 1980's VHS-era movies which have already been out-of-print for 25+ years and which only a handful of people know even exist. But the law is the law so there you have it.
thanks - have always tried to make useful posts over the past 10 years, not just posts for numbers sake. Quality over quantity! I think the moderators should have the power to award special status to those whose contributions are above and beyond - not saying mine are, but the mods should have the power invested in the by the state of Steph! Edited by - palominorn on 5/30/2014 9:54:54 AM
I see all your points - it is a sad but true reality that we should not access these scenes, even if available nowhere else, and I will abide by the decision of ADT!
There are companies out there that purchase the rights to release old titles in the current era. Maybe, if the title has sale potential, you should contact one of them to see if they are interested in trying to obtain the rights to release some of these titles?