lingerie and adult productions

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Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 3:06AM Hello to everyone, I have been reading the forum for well over a year now and finally decided to ask a few questions and hopefully get your, the fans, and the producers', opinion. For the last 2 years I have limited my purchases of adult films to productions that include women well dressed in high quality lingerie. I find myself more and more interested in seeing a woman dressed in a nice dress, stockings, garter belt, tedy, etc...and the act of seeing her being undressed has been as exciting to me as the actual sex act. Unfortunately more and more companies have been avoiding high quality lingerie and instead opting for cheap fishnets, very cheap vinyl attire (not the classy one available on the market), etc. The few companies that still deliver, at least for me, are the French Dorcel, the Italian Stars Pictures, Pinko, etc...who obviously know how to compliment a beautiful girl with nice lingerie. It seems like mostly European performers tend to emphasize on quality stockings, satin lingerie, etc. Am I alone here in finding a woman dressed in expenssive attire as exciting as the actual act? I don't have a one dimensional fetish about stockings but the European productions from the companies I mentioned above (as well as some fo the early Evil Angel/Red Light catalog titles) are obviously a notch above the rest. I would love to hear a few opinions as I was hoping that after the success of the Fashionistas things might change a bit esp. in American productions...yet I have been disapointed. It would be great if some of the studio reps that visit the board comment on this as well. Thank you in advance for your assistance, Yours, Mr.PB [Link]
Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 9:47AM I agree. I would particularly like to see more corsets, stockings and suspenders worn in porn. In an industry that is all about T and A I am amazed that corsets, which are the best way to enhance a woman's natural curves, are not more widely used. [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 1:14PM Absolutely agree!! That is one of the reasons I wanted to see if directors or performers would be willing to consider a differet approach. I am particularly interested in quality designer lingerie...something that has been missing from mainstream adult films. PB [Link]
lukemason Member 697 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 1:38PM The More Nylon Leggies The Better :o) [Link]
Michael Saint Photographer Alexis Texas is always lovely 1062 Posts 2/01	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 2:22PM Mr. PB - In most American productions the women provide a lot (if not all) their own wardrobe. So it is not surprising they do not use that $500 outfit in a movie. Usually companies tend to only supply the wardrobe when the script calls for some specialized gear or the director has something specific in mind. Fashionistas was unusual in that way by the American market standards. That being said I totally agree with you. A seductive strip tease that starts with her in a stunning outfit can be better then the sex. [Link]

Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 4:19PM Is this something that could not be reversed or...are we at a dead end? I only ask because, as I already stated above, I find myself buying nearly 90% European releases for the reasons we are discussing in this thread. Personally, for me a nice striptease...is worth as much as the actual sex act. And if the performers happen to be in luxury lingerie...I am sold %100. [Link]
Poppy Morgan x Member Suuurpise 83 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 4:37PM Mr. PB wrote: I find myself buying nearly 90% European releases for the reasons we are discussing in this thread. Personally, for me a nice striptease...is worth as much as the actual sex act. And if the performers happen to be in luxury lingerie...I am sold %100. Click to expand I agree 150%, I love watching scenes that have this kind of style to it. Watch out for "SEX AND COCKTAILS" this has exactly what your looking for Mr PB. Distributed through Rude Britannia, and will be available in August 2005. Poppy Morgan xx [Link]
Ejac Deactivated User 851 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 5:34PM How about a JC Penney catalog? I'm in agreement with Cuddly Wombat. I dig the trashy look sometimes, as well as the girl next door look. Fine-looking women dressed in fine looking undergarments would be a great addition to the menu. Nostalgia sets in as I vividly remember how hot Suzy Cat and Kathy Divine looked in Anabolic's Gangbang Girl #19, as they were shopping for a mattress. Damn. [Link]
Casual_Hex New Member 4 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 7:09PM I am a fan of sexy lingerie in porn movies too. I like to see any modern type of lingerie, anything that is not Victorian in style, preferably a lot of sheer garments, however, Im not fond of the striptease as I like to see the girl get f*cked with the stuff on. Oh, and a nice pair of sexy heels are good too. I think we may be a minority and that the studios are pandering more towards the customers who like to see all flesh n skin. The European films like Evil Angel stuff are not too high on my list as I like to watch the American Gonzo work more (movies like Jules Jordan stuff). Oh, and btw, more footjobs please [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 7:24PM Casual_Hex wrote: I am a fan of sexy lingerie in porn movies too. I like to see any modern type of lingerie, anything that is not Victorian in style, preferably a lot of sheer garments, however, Im not fond of the striptease as I like to see the girl get f*cked with the stuff on. Click to expand Absolutely agree! I think that Marc Dorcel has managed the art of it superbly...though I find most of their sex at times rather lame. Mr. Castel...seemed to be doing a good job of "requiring" his Eastern European models to dress "properly"!! In addition, the early Ben Dover films had a tiny bit of style as well...then he went South for me. Poppy Morgan...I will certainly look for the title you mentioned. [Link]
Cygnus X-1 Deactivated User 8 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 12:35AM I only watch porn in which the broads wear lingerie, though I could care less if its high quality or cheap lingerie. [Link]
Gentleman Jon All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05	Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 1:23PM I agree completely, I love lingerie and stockings. Though I usually couldn't tell whether any particular article was bought in a high end boutique or an average adult store, unless it looked like an obvious cheap adult halloween costume (though I guess even that could be okay in some situations, like if the plot/theme is an Adult Halloween party). Fishnets are ok sometimes, but I really like a nice pair of sheers a little more often than the fishnets. I agree that footjobs are always welcome, though I can still enjoy other things if the girl and the action are both hot enough. I've never been too tempted by those fetish vids from small fetish specialist companies that will just have 1 or 2 girls stripping and trying on different outfits and stockings and masturbating at the end for between an hour and 2 hours. Sure I'm curious, and I'd watch it if it were free, but if it is the same price to rent or buy as another dvd that actually has some fucking, I'll go with the fucking. I hate it when hardcore vids cut from the girl being fully clothed going down on someone to being mostly naked ready to get some attention herself with none or hardly any of the stripping shown, but I still wouldn't want to watch a video that was just teasing unless it were really cheap. It's always best to have the girl(s) dressed nice, then have them strip seductively for the male or each other perhaps while they are also giving or receiving oral (remove some clothes, then give blowjob, remove some more, get pussy licked, etc., and leaving some clothes on in the end even during the fucking) rather than having to choose between a girl gussied up sexily who can move seductively but doesn't really do anything or a vid with lots of sex but the girls start the scenes in hot pants, baby doll t-shirts and bad makeup. There is a place for scenes where the girl looks like she was picked up at the mall, or out camping or riding on the range or working on a car in the shop, but I usually prefer the look of after the formal ball or in the office with the secretary. The magazines and websites that feature lots of lingerie and stockings seem to keep themselves in business pretty well, so why aren't there more videos that feature lingerie and stockings without getting too soft? And a good portion of the video series that do seek to be both hardcore and appeal to lingerie, stocking, heel, and foot fetishes feature mostly Europeans. Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, I love a lot of the Euro girls like Sandy, Nikky Blond, Mia Stone, Sophie Moone, Anetta Keys, Mya Diamond, etc., but why do so many of the hot American girls concede the right to do hardcore while wearing nice lingerie to the Europeans so much of the time? And again, when Americans actually do start a scene in some sexy lingerie and/or office attire, all too often there will be a cut and edit somewhere in the scene after which she will be completely naked. [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 9:28PM I can clearly tell whether or not the specific ligerie outfit used is high-quality or not. Look for example how Salieri (the Italian producer) dresses up most of its performers...and then look at Cineplex. There is an obvious difference. You also seem to be touching upon another issue which I have been following closely. There is a lot of credibility in your comment that there is a bit of a difference between Europeans and Americans. In fact, the reason I started this thread is to see why (and one reason was already given to me) American performers/directors tend to neglect the erotic appeal of lingerie. On another forum it was pointed out to me that the American culture in general has been getting more and more slouchy...and though this is a completely different issue...there is some credo in it. In general the way American performers dress most of the time is unattractive. And as you point out the director often switches from one scene (the performer being dressed) to another (the actual act) abruptly. Believe it or not...seeing a half-dressed performer...stockings/corset...having sex is just plain hot!! Mr.PB [Link]
Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 11:14PM I agree with much of what has been said in this thread. I like the stockings and lingerie look as well. Two series that haven't been mentioned are Little Lace Panties and Panty Hoes by New Sensations / Digital Sin. Unfortunately, these two series seem to have been discontinued several years ago. I liked them a lot and would love it if they were revived. The women usually kept their lingerie on during the sex, and the movies were not so "fetishy" that they would only appeal to fetishists. Ironically, one could say that my fetish is for lingerie and stocking scenes that aren't too "fetishy". I usually search for lingerie / stockings movies by looking at the backs of box covers. I find many individual titles that meet this criteria, but very few series. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jul 19 2005 : 1:26AM Strip Tease Then Fuck - the series We spend more on lingerie than I do on my mortgage. Quaze [Link]

Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 19 2005 : 1:58PM With all due respect I think that we are discussing two different issues here...first I suggest you take a look at any of the studios we mentioned above, say either Marc Dorcel or Salieri, and then compare them to your films. I am not trying to be rude but there is an obvious difference in both style and presentation. Furthermore, camera work is at a completely different level. As many of the posters in this thread have suggested...leaving the lingerie on during the acts would be a step in the right direction and of course NOT cutting off the "tease effect". There is much more that your film(s) would benefit from if a slow seductive scene is added where the girl is clad in seductive lingerie and slowly worked on by the guy...as opposed to the skipping traight to a hard-non-stop action. Thanky you for responding. And I am looking forward to your next release. Edited by - Mr. PB on 7/19/2005 1:58:19 PM Edited by - Mr. PB on 7/19/2005 1:58:56 PM [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Jul 19 2005 : 5:12PM Fair enough but I suggest that you actually watch a volume from the series and I think you'll find that we're not talking about two different things. Sorry, I've seen Dorcel and it's great stuff but as someone who's been shooting for almost 15 years, I don't think the camera work is exactly on a "different level". The bottom line is, we can both agree that a girl dressed up in an expensive outfit is much sexier than a thong, a sofa and a trio of perma-rections surrounding her. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 19 2005 : 5:15PM perma-rections? I hope you trademarked that. [Link]
dac David Aaron Clark Just another WKW wannabe 574 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jul 19 2005 : 6:24PM Pzifer is probably doing just that as we speak ... [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 12:39AM Mike Quasar wrote: Fair enough but I suggest that you actually watch a volume from the series and I think you'll find that we're not talking about two different things. Click to expand I actually saw Vol.2 and have a very good idea what you are talking about. I find that the outfits used are of substantially different quality. As to the camera work...I am going to be very specific...Dorcel uses long, continuous shots that are very ballanced. Now fast forward to any of the mainstream US directors (let's not discuss your company in this specific case) and you will notice that there is no consistency whatsoever. The only person that I have seen lately that actually attempted to do a good job was Mr.Everhard in Outnumbered...though it was a rather limited attempt as he had to focus on a number of girls. With this said...I am specifically going to get your entire series so I could comment in detail. Either way I think that you are 100% correct with your last paragraph. Mr.PB Edited by - Mr. PB on 7/20/2005 12:39:05 AM [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 2:36AM I was half expecting to see a question amongst this lot regarding lingerie in porn. Big important report... I like nice lingerie, it doesn't have to be "designer". Not at all, you can buy beautiful, sexy items at any department store -- even Target does nice undies. I don't think you need to pay squillions for it. "Trash girl" outfits are fine sometimes just not mandatory. This is nit picky -- in a scene I watched just recently the woman wore a very beautiful black stretchy lace camisole ensemble, in the midst of the sex, it's half removed, which is fine, I like the semi dressed look but there's this huge white tag on the back of the neck that sticks out like dog's balls. For some reason all I could see was the tag. Snip the tags. Same in pretty sheer undies -- the tag has to go. [Link]
hmomer ramone Member 6 Posts 6/05	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 3:55AM That is why I love Jules Jordan's movies. The girls are always wearing something unbelievably hot. [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 4:00AM Do dog's balls stick out Loraine ? Please tell us some more about that particular phenomenon . Mark Dorcel and Zero Tollerance are like Chalk and Cheese , Apples and Oranges , Daisy and The Old Geezer who Drove Her . The different camera work is deliberate and is part of the style - features vs gonzo/all sex - so complaining that one isn't exactly like the other strikes me as a little silly . And silly's been striking me a lot lately . Cheapo tacky fishnets and the whole "stripper chic" look is beyond over-represented in gonzo porn . And from the screen shots I've copped of the Strip Tease then Fuck series it doesn't look like the high quality stockings and suspenders Dorcel's directors use in their grot have found their way across the pond . Why don't American directors use lingerie of as high quality as their European counterparts . That no make no sense . BTW Mike Quasar , please use Lanny Barby on more of your covers , she's not on nearly enough of them . ;) [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 2:05PM little silly . And silly's been striking me a lot lately . And from the screen shots I've copped of the Strip Tease then Fuck series it doesn't look like the high quality stockings and suspenders Dorcel's directors use in their grot have found their way across the pond . Why don't American directors use lingerie of as high quality as their European counterparts . That no make no sense . Click to expand Exactly my thoughts...in fact today I picked up vol.3 and 4 from the local rental shop...and there is a huge difference in just about any aspect of what we have been discussing. Mike Quasar...i suggest you take a look of (just) one of the corsets the Dorcel girls use...perhaps we have a different understanding of what classy lingerie is. Edited by - Mr. PB on 7/20/2005 2:06:07 PM [Link]
rolemco Member 220 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 3:34PM I think porn is the leading edge of 'avante-garde' fashion. To me the outfits and accessories usually add to a scene in most cases (boots, bodystockings, lace bras etc.) I must not be alone because it seems that what usually adorns my favorite adult stars ends up on pop idols eventually. [Link]

Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 5:36PM Another advantage Marc Dorcel has is the classy settings he can put the stars in. Not that he does it all the time, but it helps sell the 'high class' appeal of the lingerie if the surroundings are up to snuff too. [Link]
aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 5:54PM Ditto on the Dorcel recommendation. Very posh, lavish and classy stuff. Just the thing for the true lingerie connoisseur. [Link]
porn oyster Member 150 Posts 10/04	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 9:58PM aybesea wrote: Ditto on the Dorcel recommendation. Very posh, lavish and classy stuff. Just the thing for the true lingerie connoisseur. Click to expand Can anyone make a recommendation on a really good Dorcel movie? Something just dripping with great lingerie? [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 20 2005 : 10:37PM Alexia & Cie - available in the USA as Dirty Deals (distributed by Wicked Pictures). AdultDVDEmpire has a copy available. [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 21 2005 : 1:22AM Hardware wrote: Another advantage Marc Dorcel has is the classy settings he can put the stars in. Not that he does it all the time, but it helps sell the 'high class' appeal of the lingerie if the surroundings are up to snuff too. Click to expand Very, very well said!! There are timew when I look at the sets, decors, the way his girls are dressed...to be honest with you, there are mainstream films that can only wish they looked as his productions. The old Private films were something like that...but never really grew as big as Dorcel. Hardware: what is your opinion on the Italian Salieri group? [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 21 2005 : 4:11AM I dislike that Salieri's topics are generally abusive towards women and I dislike the shortness of the actual sex in most scenes. I imagine both factors are part of his operating in a 'good' Catholic country, though. Other than that, I like his directing well enough, and the non-sex bits could easily pass in a regular movie. I wouldn't recommend him to the average American punter, but sometimes he's about the only way to go. For example, he seems to have most of Anita Dark's early work, including the majority of her anals (I'm saying that as someone with only limited access to Italian porn). If you really want a detailed analysis, whistle up Walter Burns. [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 21 2005 : 1:22PM Very interesting...I always thought that he was one of the better Italian producers. I still think that he is very detailed when it comes to lingerie...which is the topic of this thread. The funny thing is that the Italian film industry is very much polarized...it is either rather soft, or, extremely hard. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 21 2005 : 2:37PM I didn't say he wasn't a good producer, he's just not what you'd normally expect from a pornographer. As far as clothing goes, he's Italian. Of course the lingerie is great. [Link]
porn oyster Member 150 Posts 10/04	Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 9:54PM Hardware wrote: Alexia & Cie - available in the USA as Dirty Deals (distributed by Wicked Pictures). AdultDVDEmpire has a copy available. Click to expand On this recommendation, I rented Alexia and Cie. There can be no doubt that its a beautiful movie. The women are so perfect, they almost don't look real. But as a lingerie movie, I have to disagree. There is some lingerie, to be sure, but not a whole lot. Most of the women are wearing a garter belt...if that. A lot of them are totally nude, almost from the very beginning. Again, a decent flick, but not for anyone seeking a really great lingerie flick. I have to give it up to the evening gowns, though. Stunning! Anyone have a reco for a flick that really puts the focus on the clothes and lingerie? [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:48AM american garter has some pretty standard lingerie... [link removed: Site is gone] [Link]

porn oyster Member 150 Posts 10/04	Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 8:25PM Mr. PB wrote: american garter has some pretty standard lingerie... [link removed: Site is gone] Click to expand I've seen that one. It was pretty good from a lingerie standpoint, but they were trying to be tongue-in-cheek and hoaky. So you can't really get in to it, like you could from something high budget like a Private or a Dorcel. But I do give it props for lingerie. Here's the idea I have...I imagine a series called "Lingerie Catalog". The premise is women dressed in the lingerie you used to jerk off to in the Sears catalog. It was never slutty, and it was never very revealing. But we loved it anyway. Long gowns, teddies, satiny things, panties that were actually panties (instead of silly butt floss)...stuff like that. And then, it STAYS ON DURING THE SCENE!!! It seems we here on this board understand what most porn producers don't...if the lingerie (or the nurse uniform, or the bridal gown, or the schoolgirl uniform, or whatever) comes off completely, the fantasy is gone. DO YOU HEAR ME PORN PRODUCERS?!?!?!?!? Anyway, I think, if its done well (that is, not in the standard gonzo style of "all scenes happen on the couch in my office) the "Lingerie Catalog" series could be really good. Hell...I'd buy it. [Link]
Mr. PB Member 152 Posts 7/05	Posted - Aug 3 2005 : 12:58AM I agree 100%. If one HAS to look beyond Dorcel or Salieri for that matter one would be pretty much out of luck finding a good quality lingerie film. American productions are about 98% grotesque when it comes to quality clothing. And I believe that the problem begins with most of the US directors...not the girls...as they don't seem to understand the concept that a nice looking girl dressed in lingerie (read NO SLUTTY FISHNETS) is just about the greatest thing you could ask for. And the lingerie stays on during the act. A good foreplay with a lot of high quality lingerie is in my opinion MORE EXCITING than actually seeing a naked but and a cock filling up the entire screen. [Link]