Since Rogers appears to be an admirer of Dolf Zillman, it's interesting that he didn't bring up this piece.

Finally, I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Ted Bundy's mouth. That the author cites known manipulators like Bundy to bolster his thesis suggests a certain bias towards the subject matter.

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The religeous right will keep repeating it over and over until a certain percentage of their flock will accept it as gospel.

Josepf Goebbels had nothing on these guys.

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Actually, no valid study has found any real links or even addiction. Since I, and it seems several other posters here, have access to what the media would characterize as an "arsenal", any truth in this would be readily and loudly apparent.

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This is an "if" along with "What if War of the Worlds (the original radio show) was real and the rest were a cover-up?"
What if up were down and down was left?
What if the universe worked on a strictly non-Euclidian basis? Would be be able to lower traffic fatalities?

There are no sensible answers because the base point has no base in reality.
Many if not most pretty much stay at stage one. Stage two isn't even real - I don't know how many (even here) actually crave anything.

The rest mixes behavior they dissapprove of - watching any porn, with what is truely a mental abberation.

So I would say that the more extreme videos, as you characterize them, lead to world peace, more sensible population growth, and a cleaner environment.

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Of course, the idea that porn causes heinous crimes has a long uphill battle. This is obvious and goes beyond the usual tired "correlation is not causation" mantra and into the realm of common sense: violent sex perverts will naturally be drawn to porn, but this in no way suggests that porn consumers will be drawn to violence.

Sorta like guns. Sure, violent people will tend to reach for the most effective tool when they act out, but that hardly means gun ownership contributes to violence, per se.

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Attention, Clown suits linked to mass murder,

Starts with baggy underware under clothing

Filling ones pockets with lots of hankies and retractable
flowers

Buying shoes 22 sizes too big for your feet

Red foam noses stashed every where

Next thing you know John Wayne Gasey's at your 3 year olds B-day party

Cal444
Somewhere thinkin

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* A second stage involves the addiction becoming more severe with the subject craving harder and more "bizarre" material.

* Third, a stage of addiction to "weird" porn evolves in which the addict views pictures of children, sexual acts involving animals and violent sex.

* A fourth stage of acting out the fantasies, including the extreme forms violent behavior, is the final result of the addiction.

Strangly enough this sounds like me. I think im between 2nd and 3rd stage!!

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I'm definitely on stage 3, but in order to reach the 4th, I must first get rid of my empathy.

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Damn, I must only be in stage #2 ~ because I sure as fuck haven't EVER had visions (nor would I want to) of kiddie porn, beastiality, or "violent" chokeouts.

Sounds like another right-wing religious nut or devout Mormon (not to insult all Mormons) that obviously thinks those who watch porn,...rape! BUT...of those who rape, how many actually watch porn? Hmmm...

BigBob: In reading some of the goofy-ass discussions, blog comments & dialogue that go over @ XXXchurch.com, and I agree with your hypothesis.

Do we have an unknown 'merauderer' in our presence? Or one to be even??

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Can't seem to move on from the "B/G-one-on-one-loving-vaginal-and-oral-sex" phase.

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I think he may have a case.

After watching 'Professianals 9' i wanted to murder the guy who did the piss poor editing at Hustler.

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So, let's ban milk drinking and bread eating since we know that's where the trouble begins.

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* Third, a stage of addiction to "weird" porn evolves in which the addict views pictures of children, sexual acts involving animals and violent sex.

Now foot fetishes are under stage 2:
* A second stage involves the addiction becoming more severe with the subject craving harder and more "bizarre" material. Although I get the feeling having sex with the lights on or anything beyond missionary qualifies as bizarre.

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You might have a point if the argument was that everyone who watches porn will commit heinous crimes. But it isn't.

I think it's obvious that the trend in porn viewing is from soft to hard to harder. A lot of porn is getting pretty violent. When you fuse that violence with the sexual imprinting that porn delivers to males you could end up with a problem. I know my own desires have tended to the "rougher" side in recent times. However, I must say it was usually at the behest of females, so there's the other side of the coin. A lot of women want a harder edge in their lovemaking these days it seems to me. Or maybe it was always true, I don't know. It's an interesting fine line there ...

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My short fuse got me in trouble at work. The trouble at work would make me want to murder someone a hell of alot more than any porn (even Donkey Punch) could ever influence that part of my brain. If anything, porn is a "release". That said, I have serious doubts my temperment is from watching smut flicks. To generalize that ALL porn effects ALL people who end up committing such henious crimes, I think is pure bullshit.

You're not blond, are you? It's quite obvious the sarcasm from budtugley flew right over your head

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Being drunk is a prerequisite to drunk driving, yes? That means there's a direct link - get drunk + drive = drunk driving. Unless you're trying to claim that watching porn is a prerequisite to sex crimes then I fail to see any validity in your comparison. Are you trying to make that claim?

I think it's obvious that the trend in porn viewing is from soft to hard to harder.

Traditionally, youngsters were more likely to have access to Playboy than to "Cum Dumpsters." In other words, porn that was readily available was softer than the material that was less so. Thus the natural progression would be from soft to hard (this may no longer be true with the availability of porn on the Internet).

Also, people become more accepting of material that they would have originally ignored or disliked, because familiarity makes it less outré. This is true of any art form. It doesn't constitute a need for harder material, though.

Ergo, I don't think your observation has much significance.

A lot of porn is getting pretty violent.

Do you have any statistics to back this up, or are you merely noticing a change in the availability of content that's been there all along?

When you fuse that violence with the sexual imprinting that porn delivers to males you could end up with a problem.

Define 'sexual imprinting,' please. My definition of sexual imprinting has more to do with hormone balance in the womb.

Furthermore, "could" is not a word we like to see conclusions drawn from in scientific studies. All that word suggests is that more data is required.

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I have said repeatedly that porn makes a poor teaching aid for young people exploring sex, but that's not the issue at hand. We're talking about a claim that porn is addictive and that there's a link between pornography and murder.

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Being drunk has the direct and proven effect of reducing cognitive ability, co-ordination, reaction time, recognition skills, etc. Whether or not an accident is caused, the ability to drive safely is diminished.

There has been no credible study that actually shows that porn does anything beyond getting somebody horny. There have been many studies trying to link porn to rape, etc.

As for what you notice about yourself, that is pretty much the limit of its validity. Yourself. If you think it affects your desires negatively do something radical: STOP WATCHING. You are an adult, you have responsibility for your own actions.

People sexually imprint on porn? Because most guys still don't want to pile on the same woman at once. Why is that the only part that they aren't imprinting?

Porn is becoming violent? Beyond the multiple guy thing, energetic anal, and spanking I don't think its true. But then I'm not troubled as you have admitted to being. I don't seek out the rough stuff. I notice only my own viewing (which is rare and greatly diminished from over a decade ago) and what is on the shelf.

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It certainly is bullshit. But no one is making that generalization. So why are some of you here arguing so vehmently against an argument that isn't on the table?

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I don't think I misunderstood. I thought he was ridiculing the "porn could be harmful" argument by sarcastically comparing it to a "milk could be harmful" argument. Wasn't that your take?

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It doesn't seem so far-fetched to me that a person who watches Max Hardcore videos might develop a taste for the young girl fantasy. After awhile, maybe watching fictional depictions of preteen girls being raped is no longer enough, and so he then seeks out genuine kiddy porn. Then maybe after watching a lot of KP, he is tempted to act out his fantasies.

But just because porn can be a negative inluence, that doesn't mean it should be censored. I think Ann Coulter and Michael Moore are negative influences in our culture, but they still have the right to free speech.

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Trying to make a case for porn causing any specific reaction is thus a political, not a scientific, endeavor.

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I don't see any reference to a published/peer reviewed study on his part.More waffle...

An alternative view

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Porn (and sex in general) is a lot like food. If these people wanted to do some good, they should try to promote healthier porn. People are always going to wank it. Their solution basically seems to be "stop jerking off and start coming to church on Sunday." It's like telling a morbidly obese person to just stop eating food altogether, and hit the gym.

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I like to watch hot, busty women have sex. I was wanking to Celeste 10 years ago, Briana Banks 5 years ago, Sara Stone yesterday, and I will be wanking to a hot busty woman 5 years from now (if i'm still alive!).

I don't have murderous impulses. Unless I get cut off during rush hour traffic on the way home from work.

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It's about as valid as the argument that today's society is violent because of rap videos depicting some stooge waving "his gat, yo" and "poppin' a cap in yo' ass" around like it's a soup spoon. They go hand in hand...and all relate to self responsibility & control over your own actions. No one forced you to pull the trigger, rape some girl (or sickeningly worse, a child).

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "porn doesn't affect people at all". Rather, it doesn't affect MOST people the negative way it's so often portrayed by those most against the industry. An opinion...yes,...not a fact with any form of reference.

I think Michael Moore just has the balls that most of his critics can't stomach. Then again, those are the people who get offended when you say "Jesus Christ" or swear in public.

I agree with 10000 days, I get more bent in road rage than I ever could/would/should from porn. Porn, at least to this perv, is a relaxation tool. As Crissy Cums might proclaim, best to ease any pressure on the prostrate so that one doesn't commit an act they'll later regret.

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