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All Forums > Tech Talk > Tech Talk Forum Page 2 > Looking for info/advice on fraudulent CC charges
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rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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12/11
Posted - Dec 1 2022 : 8:00AM
Does anyone know what a charge from a company listed as "Epoch *Gunnstudio" or "Epoch *Gunnstudio Guernsey" would be? It showed up on my credit card a couple of days ago. It isn't my charge, and Visa removed it, but I'm curious if anyone else has seen this specific charge and how they may have accessed my card.

The use of the word "Epoch" in the name was an obvious reason for me to check the biller, Epoch, to see if something had come through there. I have no current memberships billed through them and they had no record of this charge.

By way of background, I have a specific "porn" card. It has a low limit and I keep it locked except for short periods when I'm joining a site. It gets locked again immediately after I join. The window to access this card is narrow.

Most of my memberships bill through billers that I know and trust.

In the couple of days leading up to this charge I took advantage of several Black Friday discounts. These are:

Got Filled - Customercare.co
Deep Lush - CC Bill
Yesgirlz - CC Bill
Nubiles Films - CC Bill
Nubiles Porn - CC Bill

I consider CC Bill to be top-tier and would be surprised if any site using them was the problem. Also, I checked CC Bill and they had no such charge. I contacted Customercare.co and they told me that the only charge they had on record was the fee for Got Filled, and the amount was correct.

I contacted my bank and they said they'd look into it. The charge disappeared not long after that so I suspect they ruled in my favour. That isn't surprising since the history on that card shows repeat charges from companies like CC Bill, Epoch and other common porn billers. This charge from "Epoch *Gunnstudio Guernsey" was not part of my buying history. Also, all the charges on my card ranged from $20 to $40 whereas the disputed charge was for $140, which is a red flag in itself. Finally, the mere use of the word "Guernsey" was probably a red flag too, considering they have lax business laws and are a place that attracts shady operators.

Has anyone encountered this charge before? I Googled it and came up dry.

As for the final outcome, as I said, the charge was removed and I cancelled the card. I have a new porn card on the way.

I realize that some may offer some advice, and I'll appreciate that, but note that Canadian banks don't offer re-loadable credit cards as US banks do. That would be a simple and effective solution. If I could get a CC that has zero balance until I load money on it online, that would be great, but I can't. I can buy a pre-paid card but they have exorbitant fees. The fees on those can eat up your entire balance in a short time. Canadian banks do offer an online debit card that may be a solution - provided I could open a specific porn account. If I had a specific porn account and wanted to join a site that cost $25, I could put money in the account and do the transaction. If any fraudulent arsehole came alone afterwards and tried to charge $140 there wouldn't be any funds.

Any thoughts will be appreciated! Thanks folks!

HumptyRumpty
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8/18
Posted - Dec 1 2022 : 12:41PM
I don't have any thoughts or insight into charges from "Epoch *Gunnstudio Guernsey". Other than Google searches, which didn't turn up much.

Does your bank offer one-time credit card numbers? If you're not familiar with them, they work as follows. You log into your online credit card account and request a one-time CC number. You then give the merchant that CC number, instead of your real one. Your bank handles the rest. It would definitely help avoid situations where somebody who gets hold of your CC number wants to use it for additional charges.

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 1 2022 : 5:30PM
The only company that comes to mind with that name would be Under the Gunn Studios. This doesn't mean this is them, I don't know if they have a monthly service or use Epoch.
Simple Simon
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12302 Posts
2/15
Posted - Dec 1 2022 : 10:52PM
"I have a specific "porn" card. It has a low limit and I keep it locked except ... when I'm joining a site".

What a great idea. You ahould probably suggest this to the whole forum.

Oh, and i thought banks all over the world offerred Visa debit cards.

rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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6553 Posts
12/11
Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 8:20AM
Thanks all. The fact that this Gunn Studio bills out of Guernsey is probably a dead giveaway to it being sketchy. But since the charge has been removed and my card cancelled because of it, I won't dwell on it.

Simon - I think you're right, and I think this could be my solution. My bank does offer this. I did some digging and found this out. It turns out my wife has one of these Visa debit cards too. (I didn't know that because we have separate finances - she's a spender and I'm a saver. She'd bankrupt us in a month if she had access to both incomes.) I suspect that I can open a new account and get a Visa debit on it and use that for porn purchases. It's worth a try.

 
Drew Black
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8028 Posts
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Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 10:35AM
I'd guess that charge is through Epoch EU which has an address in Guernsey
Simple Simon
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12302 Posts
2/15
Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 2:25PM
^^ I googled myself afterwards and found out that my main bank offers Mastercard debit cards. But just consider if getting a chargeback on a debit card is as easy as on a credit card.

Coincidentally, i have a Visa debit card that came with a new transaction account i opened with a bank.. Now I'd never actually used it, or even activated it. Late one evening i got a text from my bank with a verfication code for a Kmart transaction. Someone had tried to make a purchase with the numbers, and i got a text from my bank as part of their 2-factor authorization.

Now, I'd never used the card, so how did they get the numbers?

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 3:30PM
Random credit card number generator
Simple Simon
Senior Member

12302 Posts
2/15
Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 4:35PM
^ Yeah, that had to be it. It just seems amazing that randomly generating numbers could create a valid combination of a sixteen digit credit card number, an expiry date and a CVC.

And through the wonders of modern technology, look what I'm able to show.
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Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 2 2022 : 5:12PM
They don't. I had one spoof my card number. The store ignored the expiry was wrong and CVC was not entered.
rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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12/11
Posted - Dec 3 2022 : 10:13AM
I'd say your guess is correct. Epoch US and Epoch EU must be completely different entities because I searched the US biller because the name "Epoch" was in the charge and came up with nothing. It's still odd that in my subscriptions I took out at that time than none were through Epoch.
rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Dec 3 2022 : 10:18AM
I checked with my bank and they do offer a Visa debit card but the bank will only allow it to be tied to my primary account and I don't want that. I want it tied to a secondary account where the running balance would be at or near zero in case it got hacked. My thought was that if I could choose the account then I'd simply transfer sufficient funds to it when I wanted to subscribe to a site. The alternative is that I could make my primary account my porn account but then every time I wanted to use my physical debit card I'd need to first transfer funds into it, which would be a serious pain in the ass.

I didn't say this to the bank person I was talking to, but I thought it when she said that the bank can't have a Visa debit associated with anything other than your primary account. My thought was that the bank CAN do this, they just WON'T do it.

I'll stick with my usual way with a low-limit porn card and cancel it WHEN it gets hacked, which seems to happen every two years.

Simple Simon
Senior Member

12302 Posts
2/15
Posted - Dec 4 2022 : 1:42AM
^ Can't you just open a separate account, either with the same back or a different bank? Having said that, I think a separate low limit credit card, that you can just lock online when not in use, is probably preferable.

^^^ Wow! If the charge is disputed, the bank will debit the funds back from the merchant, and require the merchant to prove it was an authorised transaction. So it's in the store's interests to do all they can to ensure the charge is valid.

georgez
Member

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Posted - Mar 20 2023 : 12:00PM
I subscribed to Tushyraw.com just to see Riley Steele's first anal. after a month i cancelled the membership and they had given my card to another website. I had to call the CC company and the website and finally got it reversed. Hence, since that if I ever want to subscribe to a porn or any site on the internet I use a pre paid credit card. And every site takes them
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