Mickey G. got a whip-plug combo in the ass in "Bridgette Hellion's". What I admire from Mickey, from a straight actor, is that he's pretty anything goes. I'm sure they could do a great scene together.
I've seen Mickey G getting pounded by Missy, Ashlyn Gere doing Tom Byron, Raquel Darrian fucking Colt Steele, Evan Stone getting it doggy-style, and even Ed Powers taking on a couple of strap-ons. I give the guys credit for at least being willing to do something different.
Are you listening JKP? Now would be the time to put an end to all the criticizm and come out with something truly different. Yes, there's a few other titles out there, but most are cheaply done with butt-ugly guys.
MikeL, your fetish is MUCH more common than you think, it's just not talked about or admitted by many, for fear of being thought of as 'gay'. It's a rather long story, but I conducted an informal survey about this very issue by running an ad in Yahoo personals that received enormous responses. The mailboxes only held 100, and I had to empty mine once or twice a day, it was unbelievable. I had no intention of hooking up, I was just curious because my boyfriend (who was very masculine and 100% hetero, btw) wanted me to strap one on, which I did. Yeow! It was incredibly hot, and adds a whole different dimension to your sexlife. As Jenna points out, there's nothing gay about a male and female having sex, and to say he enjoyed it is an understatement, especially when I jacked him off at the same time. Peter North came to mind.
Here's a great analogy I read somewhere. If two 100% lesbians are having sex together, and one is using a strap-on dildo on the other, then is it "heterosexual-erotic" sex? Is the woman being penetrated by the strap-on dildo showing "heterosexual tendancies"? It sounds absurd, doesn't it?
Yet, that exact same faulty logic is usually applied if a 100% heterosexual man and woman have sex together, and the woman uses a strap-on dildo on her man. Of course, some people will INSIST that there is a difference, but logically, there is no difference. There is an emotional difference, but not a logical one.
Pontus
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Jennas quote is okay, but I prefer her by far to be payed the other way round: letting porn studs fuck her pooper.
If she ever gets payed for that kind of strap-on stuff, I will certainly not watch that, but pray she does not get payed for that again. Having joined softcore-JKP I already lost a great deal of intererst in her. So honestly I dont really care, wheter she gets penetrated or does penetrate.
I actually don't think it's absurd at all, and that's how I'd describe that situation. The dildo is obviously a simulation of a penis. Taking one in the ass seems to demonstrate some kind of desire to have a penis in there. The only reason to do it is if there's just not a real one available, for obvious biological reasons. I think if a woman is taking a strap-on in either hole, it does indicate a heterosexual urge.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, or with a guy having homosexual urges. But just because there's a woman in the room, it doesn't make taking a simulated dick in the ass a heterosexual urge.
Many people believe that on a 1 to 100 scale of homo-to-hetero, few people rate a 1 or a 100. A guy (or lesbian) taking a strap-on is just moving a few points toward the middle. No big deal.
In a way, I think it's more homophobic to pretend that a guy taking it in the ass isn't a gay act. It is. So what?
Preface: In this discussion that we're embarking on, we are solely in the domain of opinion. Therefore, we could argue back and forth until the cows come home, but in the last analysis, neither of us could be said to be "right" or "wrong." We're merely stating our opinions. With that said, let's begin.
No problem here, ObiBong. You have a right to your viewpoint, but I'm convinced that it would be shared by very few people. I've visited quite a few forums over the years in addition to this one, read quite a few books, and spoken with a great many people from all walks of life, and rarely if ever have I heard your viewpoint expressed. That doesn't make you wrong and everyone else right, however. You're entitled to your opinion.Agreed.Not necessarily. For example, Tom Byron has been sodomized by women wearing strap-on dildos, but he has never had a desire to be sodomized by a man (so Tom says, and I accept that on face value).Bad assumption. For example, in the case of Smartblonde's ex-boyfriend, if what he genuinely craved was a real penis in his ass, he could have gone to any gay bar anywhere and I'm sure there would have been lots of guys more than willing to accommodate him. The availability was certainly there, but not the desire. His sexual desire was to be with a woman (Smartblonde), and not a man.Sure, if you want to take that viewpoint, fine. No problem. However, if you are suggesting that merely because a lesbian who takes a strap-on dildo from her female lover, secretly desires to have sex with a man, we part company sharply. If a woman is 100% lesbian (and not bisexual), then the mere thought of having sex with a man would be repellent, regardless of whether or not she likes to be penetrated by a strap-on dildo from a female lover.Homosexual urges versus heterosexual urges. For obvious reasons, the former is commonly used and emotionally charged; the latter is seldomly used and is emotionally-neutral. Let's dissect these phrases, shall we?
Serious problems can arise when you apply the phrases "homosexual urges" and "heterosexual urges" to sex acts rather than to sexual orientation. Herein is where all of the confusion comes from. Let me explain, ObiBong.
Anal sex has never been practiced exclusively by homosexuals. Therefore, the idea of a penis being inserted into a rectum is not necessarily a homosexual idea per se. Homosexual men have been having anal sex with one another for thousands of years. Heterosexual men have been having anal sex with women for thousands of years.
Now, notice what can happen when we make the sex act the frame of reference. Since heterosexuals DO practice anal sex, it can be argued that, if a man submits to being sodomized by another man, he is demonstrating heterosexual urges because there are women who submit to being sodomized by men!
Here's the same logic applied to a different sex act. Homosexual men widely practice oral sex on one another. Heterosexual men and women widely practice oral sex on one another. Therefore, oral sex is neither a homosexual act nor a heterosexual act per se. Hence, if a homosexual man performs fellatio on another man, it can be argued that he's demonstrating heterosexual urges because women routinely perform fellatio on men!
Do you see my point, ObiBong? The specific sex acts practiced is not what makes an encounter homosexual-erotic or heterosexual-erotic. What makes it either of those things is whether or not the two people having sex together are of the same gender or the opposite gender. Hence, the more compelling frame of reference would be sexual orientation, rather than what sex acts are being performed (either by whom or to whom).
Are homosexual urges and heterosexual urges valid terms? Yes, if correctly applied. For example, if a heterosexual man suddenly finds that he now has a sexual longing to be with another man, then that man can be said to have homosexual urges. If a lesbian suddenly finds that she now has a sexual longing to be with a man, then that woman can be said to have heterosexual urges. However, it can be very misleading when you apply the phrases homosexual urges and heterosexual urges to specific sex acts. It's all a matter of sexual orientation.
The short answer: I agree with Jenna Haze's assessment!
I don't want to prolong the over-analysis of this topic too much, but I do have one main point to make about your well thought-out reply.Honestly... not really. Put simply, I think the logical fallacy in your argument is the concept that "oral sex" or "anal sex" is one thing. But it's (at least) two. Speaking just for my personal life, I make a very clear distinction between sucking dick and having my dick sucked. You appear to be treating them as interchangeable. I think most people would agree with me that you can't. Like you said, though, that's just my opinion.Again, intellectually I think it's fair to say that if a man has a longing to be with a *penis*, it's a homosexual urge. Again, just my opinion. And again, more power to anyone who has that longing, lest my musings be misunderstood.
Chronic Laziness Syndrome is a serious disease. Don't blame me, I'm just a victim.
I can only speak from my own experience, and to some extent for my ex, who I lived with for 4 years. While he was a very sexual person and open-minded, it never once worried him that this desire was 'gay' because he knew that he wasn't. He had no desire to have sex with a man, and the focus wasn't so much about taking a *penis* up his ass. Speaking from just the physical aspect, it's very pleasurable for males because of the prostate, and this can be accomplished with anything, a finger, a butt plug, or a non-phallic dildo.
It takes a very confident man to be willing to explore this, but I think guys who don't are really missing out. His orgasms were so intense it was unbelievable, but part of it was watching me fuck him while feeling those sensations. Yeah it's kinky, it's wacky, it was a lot of fun, but it wasn't gay.
I hope I've described it better, but maybe it's difficult for someone who hasn't experienced it to relate to it. I think ObiBong is putting too much *phallic* emphasis on it. Dang near anything feels good being thrust in my pussy, and the strap-on paled in comparison when we got to rocking on a double dildo. Now THAT was indescribable. <<<<[[[[
And opinions can be very interesting, indeed. Even though we disagree, ObiBong, I do really admire your debating skills.ObiBong, I never said that anal sex = oral sex. I merely pointed out the problems that you can run into when you make sex acts such as anal sex or oral sex the frame of reference about whether an urge is homosexual or heterosexual in nature. I find it more compelling to base what constitutes a homosexual or heterosexual urge on whether or not people prefer to have sex with their own gender or the opposite gender.Where did I say that there was no distinction between sucking dick and having one's dick sucked? You might have somehow inferred that from what I wrote, but now we're getting into the highly complex issue of interpretation. That's a slippery slope that I'd much rather not try to tackle directly.Here's what you're saying logically:
a dildo = a penis (they're interchangeable)
A dildo is a molded piece of plastic fashioned to look like a man's penis. A penis is a part of a man's anatomy. Therefore, the desire to be penetrated by a dildo is not equal to a desire to be penetrated by a penis. It can mean that, but not necessarily. This is a critical juncture at which our opinions sharply diverge.
Two cases in point (already covered, but once again):
1 - A lesbian who has no sexual desire for a penis whatsoever, but nevertheless likes to be penetrated by a female lover with a dildo, is not exhibiting a heterosexual urge. A dildo is not equal to a penis. She has no interest in men sexually at all (doesn't want men or their penises sexually). This is not just a hypothetical example. It describes every living and breathing lesbian who is strictly that: lesbian.
2 - A heterosexual man who has no sexual desire for a penis whatsoever, but nevertheless likes to be penetrated by a female lover with a dildo, is not exhibiting a homosexual urge. A dildo is not equal to a penis. He has no interest in men sexually at all (doesn't want other men or their penises sexually). This also is not merely a hypothetical example. There are many living and breathing men who fall into this category (Smartblonde's ex-boyfriend was one such man).
ObiBong, although you're welcome to continue on in your opinion, which is every bit as well-thoughtout as mine, here is a very practical difference in our approaches as we interact with the world at large:
Your mind-set causes you to presume to know other people's sexuality more than they do themselves, including people you have never even met. In the case of Smartblonde's ex, for example, you are suggesting that he has homosexual urges (or tendancies?) solely on the basis of his being penetrated anally by a strap-on dildo worn by his then-girlfriend, who insists that he's 100% heterosexual (and she knew him personally, but you've never even met him). Your view also forces the issue that the desire to be penetrated by a dildo is equal to a desire to be penetrated by a penis.
Whereas, my mind-set doesn't cause me to presume to know other people's sexuality more than they do themselves, including people I've never even met. In the case of Smartblonde's ex, I would never think that he has homosexual urges solely on the basis of his being penetrated anally by a strap-on dildo worn by his then-girlfriend. My position would also automatically put me in accord with Smartblonde's assertion that her ex-boyfriend is 100% heterosexual (and she knew the person intimately, whereas, I've never even met him). And my view would not force the issue that the desire to be penetrated by a dildo is equal to a desire to be penetrated by a penis. I wouldn't force that issue because I don't even believe it in the first place.
Like I said, I don't want to go too overboard on the theorizing here, but I think this is a misunderstanding of my position, which I think was best summed up by the 1-to-100 paragraph in my first post.
It's just my belief that men who enjoy this are probably not at that 100 percent level, where few people probably are. And while I can concede your point that having sex with a dildo and a penis are not exactly equal, you seem to be arguing that they're not even related, and I think that's a stretch (with an unnecessary hint of denial--why does anyone need to be 100 percent hetero? Be 93 percent and happy. Whatever.). That's all.
ObiBong
Chronic Laziness Syndrome is a serious disease. Don't blame me, I'm just a victim.
Hey there, lkdg2832. No fetish is for everyone, including anal. Enemas usually stave off messy situations.
Tai, Missy used a strap-on dildo on Micky G in a movie called Beyond Reality # 2. Great scene (Missy was very proud of it). I've seen a woman (not Ashlyn Gere in this case) use a strap-on on Tom Byron in Takin' It To The Limit # 1.
Pontus
Edited by - Pontus Maximus on 12/9/2002 9:12:08 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. I saw two scenes the other night featuring strap-on action, unfortunately they were bonus scenes on American Pie. One featured Ashlyn Gere and a guy (sorry, I'm not too familiar with male porn stars so I'm not sure who it was) and the other featured a blonde girl and a guy. Any chance someone out there knows which films these are from?
Thanks again in advance and sorry for the vague information.
Welcome Tai! I don't know about those scenes you mentioned, maybe someone else can help out there. Yoga correctly pointed out the Voices in My Bed scene with Ashlyn Gere Evan Stone was from one of the Organ Grinders series I think. Ed Powers getting tag-teamed was not a pretty sight, but it was shown on satellite a few years ago. I don't remember the name, but I'll never forget the sounds he made.
the scene of raquel darrian fucking colt steel missionary was on some compilation tape. ill try to dig that up and post screenshots the mickey g scene was beyond reality, as pontus said. this party got pretty wild. the other guy is jack hammer.
the scene of raquel darrian fucking colt steel missionary was on some compilation tape. ill try to dig that up and post screenshots the mickey g scene was beyond reality, as pontus said. this party got pretty wild. the other guy is jack hammer.
the scene of raquel darrian fucking colt steel missionary was on some compilation tape. ill try to dig that up and post screenshots the mickey g scene was beyond reality, as pontus said. this party got pretty wild. the other guy is jack hammer.
the scene of raquel darrian fucking colt steel missionary was on some compilation tape. i'll try to dig that up and post screenshots the mickey g scene was beyond reality, as pontus said. this party got pretty wild. the other guy is jack hammer.
Ed Powers got it in one of the early Dirty Debutantes from Heather Lere (she may have been billed as Brianna Rai). Basically he wanted to take her anal cherry and she told him that he could only fuck her ass if she could return the favor.
No, they were just having a good time, but there was no gay activity between the two guys at all. I'm a little surprised Mickey could fit into Peaches' bra however.
joey, are you sure that silvera scene was from kink 2? i just have the tape, but i didnt see it. maybe its a bonus scene on the dvd.
i did see something that i missed on it before, however. remember this 3-way between dick nasty, tom byron and renee?
joey, are you sure that silvera scene was from kink 2? i just have the tape, but i didnt see it. maybe its a bonus scene on the dvd.
i did see something that i missed on it before, however. remember this 3-way between dick nasty, tom byron and renee?
joey, are you sure that silvera scene was from kink 2? i just have the tape, but i didnt see it. maybe its a bonus scene on the dvd.
i did see something that i missed on it before, however. remember this 3-way between dick nasty, tom byron and renee?
joey, are you sure that silvera scene was from kink 2? i just have the tape, but i didn't see it. maybe it's a bonus scene on the dvd.
i did see something that i missed on it before, however. remember this 3-way between dick nasty, tom byron and'renee'? [[[[
I'm not sure I understand why these threads where people start talking about males taking strap ons, or males fucking she-males, or even two dicks in one asshole seem to always degenerate into discussions of homosexual tendencies.
As I've said in the past, who the hell cares? What the fuck DIFFERENCE does it make? I like what I like. You like what you like. Just because the bible says that a man may not lie with another man doesn't mean that homosexuality versus heterosexualiity is a black and white proposition. Why all the insistance on catagorization and oversimplification? I don't know exactly WHY it interests me to watch Jenna Haze fucking a guy with a strap on--but it does. Just as I don't know why it DOESN'T interest me to watch a man fucking a she-male--but it doesn't.
I'm not saying that people are necessarily making judgements here, and I'm also not saying that this isn't a worthy topic of open minded conversation, but I find it annoying that so many people are so adamantly ANTI-homosexual ANYthing, that any talk of arousing stimulous that is out of the norm automatically gets dismissed as belonging in a separate catagory.
Sexual tendencies and orientation is simply not either-or, this or that, or black and white. Even those traits that define what is male and female are not binary. Just ask the thousands and thousands of people who have been born with chracteristics of both genders.
My point is that, although these are interesting conversations, I don't think ANYone here is qualified to make definitiive judgements about homosexual versus heterosexual tendencies with regard to what turns us on and what doesn't. For Pontus' benefit, I'm of course quick to point out that this is my OPINION, as I don't claim to be qualified to make those judgements either.
All this "is it?" or "isn't it?" talk is just so... silly to me.
Mike L.
(Sorry about the previous post. I'm on my wife's laptop and forgot to log her out... :)
I hope this isn't directed toward me, but I'm afraid it probably is. I think people have been failing to read my posts carefully, because this sort of was my point.
I'm in complete agreement. I'd like to add that I didn't start this back-and-forth; it began when others were positing that a woman using a strap-on on a man is 100 percent HETEROsexual. I responded by saying that it's part of a large gray area.
And as I said before, I think that for someone to deny that there's any homoerotic component to it is *more* anti-gay than accepting that component and not giving a shit, which is my position and (it seems) yours.
No... please don't misunderstand. My post was not directed toward you at all. Like I said, the conversations are interesting. My post was really not directed toward anyone in particular. It was more of a response to a culmination of posts on several threads--a kind of need on the part of many people to classify and segregate this type of stuff from "regular" porn because of it's allegedly homosexual aspects. No, rest assured, I'm completely with you on your position, and the discussions you've had with Pontus don't bother me. It's the fact that it seems so important to many people that these classifications be made that rubs me the wrong way. :)