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-Kelly-
Senior Member

2517 Posts
5/03
Posted - May 8 2003 : 5:29PM
Hey, how's it going,

Over at SetGo, they posted an on-set report from a new Sin City video. A large portion of it was just an interview with Jezebelle Bond. At some point, Bond says, "It sucks because that's what most people think you are about all the time. I like having fans but I am the president of a fan club I would never want to be a part of. Some are creepy but you get cool ones who give you things like digital cameras and such."

How prevelent is this feeling among female pornstars? I know this is a ridiculous question to ask considering that the only people who post here who are qualified to answer it are Tricia, Jewel, Tina, and any other female pornstar (current or former) who happens upon here. However, Jezebelle seems to be maintaing an odd balance of sheer disdain accompanied with slight gratitude toward her fans. I know when I was in contact with Taylor St. Claire, at some point I questioned the Extreme films she was making and she very politely told me that she was sorry I didn't like them but she realized that not everyone was going to like what she did. If she worried about what her fans thought, then she truly wouldn't be able to make any decisions at all in regards to her career without upsetting anyone and no performer can think like that. So, she acknowledged the importance of her fans while also acknowledging that she did what she wanted to do and not necessarily what her fans wanted to do. That is a very independant way of thinking and I can respect and admire that now, although I didn't then. Also, I read an interview with Felicia Fox where she sort of echoed those same sentiments, noting that she invites people to come along for the ride but won't let them stop her.

However, Jezebelle seems to wish that people would just send her stuff she could use or otherwise leave her alone. And I am very aware of the unwritten theory that female pornstars largely do not like their fans. That has been lightly debated here in previous threads, in which I read MLyons noting the active involvement between fans and performers at conventions as a counterpoint.

You can argue that if the girls don't do what the fans want to see then they will stop being supported and stop being hired. However, if the majority of the fans got what they wanted (not speaking for all of the fans here, merely going off the undeniable high sales of such product), then all of these girls would be popping up in the hardest material they could find and doing anal after anal. And that is not the best thing for all girls.

As fans, we are consumers and without us porn is absolutely nothing. However, these girls do not necessarily have to follow their fans whims. It is not like they are paid in a percentage of the product's gross, which would be an interesting development. They have so much shit to go through, I am just left wondering how much thought they give to their fans if any. Would they all rather we start praising Lexington Steele more or directors more or producers more and just leave them alone? I am guessing that Jezebelle definitely does not speak for the group. Actually, I am hoping she does not.

PS...I say there, it really would be damn interesting if girls started taking slight paycuts in exchange for a percentage of the profit. This would definitely be an unheard of incinitive to induce the best possible scene from them, but this could never exist because such a girl would have to probably be very career-minded and so many girls make a scene here or there for a quick buck that only the few would think otherwise. That's just my opinion.

Edited by - tscfan317 on May 8 2003

tina tyler
Mercenary Pictures

466 Posts
2/00
Posted - May 8 2003 : 6:05PM
For me, having fans wasn't something I ever expected. It never fails to surprise me when someone recognizes me. I appreciate it very much when people (male and female) take the time to email or make a special trip to catch an appearance.
While I do my best to give back, I take great pains to guard my privacy.
I realize that having fans is not a given, which is why I do not have a pay site, but a free yahoo group. I would feel very presumptuous to charge someone money in order to communicate with me. I have never solicited gifts, although, some tokens have been sent from time to time and were very much appreciated.

AS to the P.S. portion of your post. I would have gladly taken a cut in pay if profit sharing were ever offered... it wasn't. It's more cost effective for companies to pay more up front than pay out of profits on the back end.


Tina

-Kelly-
Senior Member

2517 Posts
5/03
Posted - May 8 2003 : 6:45PM
Hey, how's it going,

"AS to the P.S. portion of your post. I would have gladly taken a cut in pay if profit sharing were ever offered... it wasn't. It's more cost effective for companies to pay more up front than pay out of profits on the back end."

That PS was just something I thought of as I was writing that has little to do with the real question I was asking, but I think it is cool you would have tried it out. However, I know that no company would ever offer that type of thing for the same reasons you pointed out. However, after re-thinking it I am not certain that such a method would be fair to the stars because it would take a high level of confidence to do that. Considering how today girls can concievably shoot for a company and not know the title or who else is going to be in it yet alone even see the boxcover in advance, maybe paying upfront is the best method after all. But this is all beside the point.

Edited by - tscfan317 on 5/8/2003 6:52:00 PM

Porn Scout
Deactivated User

3735 Posts
10/02
Posted - May 8 2003 : 10:38PM
This is an interesting thread. I imagine that it must really vary from one girl to the next depending on her personality, level of intelligence, her reasons for getting in the business, how committed she is to porn as a career, etc. It seems fairly obvious that Jezebelle isn't too happy with where she is right now. I also wonder how closely her reaction mirrors the typical prostitute's views towards her customers? Is her disdain for her fans a way of coping with her own lack of self-worth or something along those lines? I know nothing about psychology, but that seems like a fairly reasonable question. I wonder if anyone reading this has the credentials to answer that question.
BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - May 8 2003 : 11:00PM
I'm a critic most times, but most times I hate critics.

I don't like a lot of porn that is out there, and I choose not to watch it. I also choose to voice my disgust of porn that I do not like, as do so many others.

I would never say that performers should force themselves to do a scene if they weren't into it, no matter what pay might be offered. I like energetic, fun, and hard sex, if it's all three, then that's great. I don't forced sex, rape scenerios, or abuse scenerios, that just kills the scene for me.

I would and will never join a pay site. It doens't make sense to pay for something that you've already seen in DVD and magazines. Oh, you get to see stars at their homes, who cares? I don't particularily care what they eat, when they eat it, or how they eat it.

I also wouldn't give gifts to any performers, why should I? They entertain me, not me entertain them. I don't follow gossip or follow many stars. There are lots of starlets I like, but will not go actively contacting them.

I have been contacted by quite a few stars, male, female, and other, but have been the one to contact them.

I feel that privacy is key as well. Hey, when I become a star I'm not gonna want to be hassled everywhere I go, I mean you can only be so polite for so long.

Many of the starlets in Vegas that I met, really seemed into fan response, I mean where else could I, a simple jerk off talk with Bella about taking it up the ass, and how it feels. Get a camerawoman such as Tricia D to film Vanity rubbing up against me and rubbing my crotch? Sure it all may have been an act, but an act I enjoyed.

So does this answer the question? Who the fuck knows, I forgot as I got on my typing.


”Time and money, two things I have so little of.
But if I had both, I’d be bored and rich.”
–BIGmike.

 
futureofporn
Member

658 Posts
1/03
Posted - May 8 2003 : 11:15PM
I think what Jezebelle said is so messed up. I mean, who does she think she is and just how big does she think she is? I can name 100 stars bigger than her. Porn isnt something you do expecting 20 people to see it. You know that there is a good chance that upwards of 1 million people are going to see you have sex on video, so if somebody happens to actually appreciate what you do (which only applies to less than one percent of the population) how about you show some gratitude towards them, instead of just using them for free stuff. I for one, will boycott anything with Bond or anybody else who feels the same way.
-Kelly-
Senior Member

2517 Posts
5/03
Posted - May 9 2003 : 12:00AM
Speelie
Senior Member

Fort Collins, CO
1191 Posts
5/01
Posted - May 9 2003 : 1:36PM
My impression, as a general view, is that porn actresses like being appreciated. They like having fans of their work, but they get worried if a fan seems obsessive, or unstable. So if I walk up to Avy Scott at AAE and ask her to sign a DVD label, while expressing my enjoyment of her work in that movie, that is fine. If I find her private e-mail, and start sending her lots of messages as though I was her friend, then it takes on a different aspect.

On a different note, I correspond on occasion with male porn actors. These are guys who work in Europe, and can share with me stories about working with some of my favorite actresses. But in all cases, these are guys who have made their e-mail available, and who enjoy taking time every once in a while to discuss their porn work.

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - May 9 2003 : 1:43PM
Well put Speelie.

DenverDon

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