Mai Dire Mai a Rocco Siffredi (1995)

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Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 1:04PM http://www.iafd.com/title.rme/title=never+say+never+to+rocco/year=1995/never-say-never-to-rocco.htm Walter, this title in IAFD database appears to be the censored and edited american version of a two-part movie. You may want to leave it as one title or you may want to decide to list them separately, since the scene breakdown and performers are slightly different in each. I am not going to repeat what has already said at great length in the EGAFD discussion forum: [ invalid url ] To summarize (for the uncut two-part movie): (1) Monique Covet is billed on screen as "Monica Cancellieri" (2) Letizia is billed as "Letizia Bisset" (not Bizzet as shown in IAFD) (3) Gabriel Zero (unbilled) appears in non-sex scene (as a model photographer) (4) Silvio Evangelista appears unbilled (5) there are 3 g/s scenes in the movie (1 in the first part, 2 in second part) involving Covet, Perla and Letizia Bisset. IAFD only makes mention of one g/s. There are even screencaps (I have posted) of one scene at the EGAFD topic. For a throrough breakdown of scenes and sexual activity, please see my detailed review of both parts from the EGAFD topic linked above. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 1:37PM Len, I have seen the thread at EGAFD. Way too much information to get through to find out what I really need. I can add the two parts as seperate videos to the IAFD -- in fact as alternative versions of the Evil Angel release -- but I would greatly appreciate it if you could just write both parts up like the IAFD presents movie info. Title (Year of release) Studio (Distributor) Director Minutes Actresses (with on screen credit)[with sex notes] Actors (with on screen credit) Scene breakdowns And if you can explain the difference(s) between the Evil Angel version and the two parter in a couple of lines, I can add that as a comment. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 1:52PM Walter Burns wrote: Len, I have seen the thread at EGAFD. Way too much information to get through to find out what I really need. I can add the two parts as seperate videos to the IAFD -- in fact as alternative versions of the Evil Angel release -- but I would greatly appreciate it if you could just write both parts up like the IAFD presents movie info. Title (Year of release) Studio (Distributor) Director Minutes Actresses (with on screen credit)[with sex notes] Actors (with on screen credit) Scene breakdowns And if you can explain the difference(s) between the Evil Angel version and the two parter in a couple of lines, I can add that as a comment. Click to expand I could describe in IAFD format, the scene breakdown and sex acts for both movies. The running time may be a bit problematic since the VHS rip I have are NTSC cobersion, and as such I do not know the real PAL running time (the two video format frames per second run slightly at different speed) To comment on the differences between the original two-parter and the Evil Angel censored and compressed one tape version would be impossible (and exceptionally long to do), as I do not have the Evil Angel version to really make a comparison, especially in view of the fact the Evil Angel version is already in EGAFD database. There are way too many scenes in both parts to really compare to the censored/compressed one-tape version. I really don't know how you would want to go about it or if it is worth the effort (but in a COUPLE of lines, how can you do that?). I am not sure whether you are in favor of ditching the Evil Angel info/database in favour of 2 separate entries for the uncut/uncensored two parter, or whether you are thinking of making 3 separate entries. If you can be a bit more clearer on this. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Aug 12 2009 : 4:19PM Len801 wrote: There are way too many scenes in both parts to really compare to the censored/compressed one-tape version. I really don't know how you would want to go about it or if it is worth the effort (but in a COUPLE of lines, how can you do that?). Click to expand We are not looking for every little detail. We are looking for differences which are basically reflected in the IAFD data: differences in scene breakdowns (different order, different pairings, additional scenes, ...) which may explain the difference in runtime, differences in sex acts, different performers altogether ... Look at the example of Lucretia (see further) for an idea of what we are looking for. You can give a little more detail if you like. I am not sure whether you are in favor of ditching the Evil Angel info/database in favour of 2 separate entries for the uncut/uncensored two parter, or whether you are thinking of making 3 separate entries. If you can be a bit more clearer on this. Click to expand We will not ditch the Evil Angel version, but we will create seperate mother-daughter film pages linking both (or in thise case 3) different films to each other. Compare it with the following example: Lucretia una stirpe maledetta vs. [ invalid url ] and [ invalid url ] [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 12:13PM Walter Burns wrote: Len801 wrote: There are way too many scenes in both parts to really compare to the censored/compressed one-tape version. I really don't know how you would want to go about it or if it is worth the effort (but in a COUPLE of lines, how can you do that?). Click to expand We are not looking for every little detail. We are looking for differences which are basically reflected in the IAFD data: differences in scene breakdowns (different order, different pairings, additional scenes, ...) which may explain the difference in runtime, differences in sex acts, different performers altogether ... Look at the example of Lucretia (see further) for an idea of what we are looking for. You can give a little more detail if you like. I am not sure whether you are in favor of ditching the Evil Angel info/database in favour of 2 separate entries for the uncut/uncensored two parter, or whether you are thinking of making 3 separate entries. If you can be a bit more clearer on this. Click to expand We will not ditch the Evil Angel version, but we will create seperate mother-daughter film pages linking both (or in thise case 3) different films to each other. Compare it with the following example: Lucretia una stirpe maledetta vs. [ invalid url ] and [ invalid url ] Click to expand Tough to follow, but I will give it a crack, although I think I'll screw up trying to fiure out what is what. It would have been much better to stick to 2 separate titles (Part 1, Part 2) and just say the Evil Angel US version is just a censored and condensed version of the Italian 2-parter (after all, it is the original that really should matter, since IAFD actually lists it in italian). In passing, since you linked the LUCREZIA movie for reference, I did see the US version years ago, and I recall a dungeon scene in which Malone gets very nasty with Sarah Young. She is on the floor (in chains, I think) and he is unhappy with her choice in men. He wants to degrade and humiliate ger, then there is an obvious cut and you don't see what he did to her, but she is all wet (face, neck, body, etc) and she is quite upset. It seems quite apparent he must have pissed on her. The comments on the IAFD database (same for EGAFD I think) do not make any mention of g/s. What do you know about it? Edited by - Len801 on 8/13/2009 12:16:16 PM [Link]

Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Aug 13 2009 : 2:12PM Len801 wrote: The comments on the IAFD database (same for EGAFD I think) do not make any mention of g/s. What do you know about it? Click to expand I know nothing about a golden shower scene for Sarah -- or any other performer. I have only seen an abridged version (only 119 minutes) of the Italian version as it was aired on French porn channel XXL. All other info on both the currently listed Italian and American versions were discussed with the likes of j.j. and texxx elsewhere (not the EGAFD forum though). [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 2:44PM Question (1): In scenes where a female or male performer is present but does perform a sex scene (for instance the photo shoot session, where Gabriel Zero is the model photographer, and Perla Mazza is just spying on the whole proceedings, and in which she does a very non-explicit masturbation) do you include them in the scene breakdown for that scene? Question (2): for sexual activity such as golden shower is the code g/s, G/S or what exactly? Question (3): What qualifies for IR inclusion: b/j, facial, or does it have to be penetration? Question (4): where several males are involved, do you use "guys", "several males", and if there are some white and some apparent blacks in a scene Question (5) I noticed the scene breakdown for the Evil Angel version shows specific number of males (20, etc). I don't know how anyone looking at the film could actually and accurate;ly determine that. How was that assessment arrived at? [By the way Walter I noticed the Italian title is no longer in IAFD database, was it due to this upcoming modification, or something else?] Edited by - Len801 on 8/14/2009 2:48:19 PM Edited by - Len801 on 8/14/2009 11:37:17 PM [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:24PM Walter, have a look and tell me what you you think (for running time is there space for NTSC indication?): Mai Dire Mai a Rocco Siffredi Year: 1995 Distributor: Rocco Siffredi Productions Compilation: No Director: Rocco Siffredi Minutes: xxx minutes All-Girl: No All-Male: No Actresses: Shalimar (as Letizia Bisset) [Anal A2M Facial, G/S] http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=shalimar/gender=f/shalimar.htm Monique Covet (as Monica Cancellieri) [Anal A2M Facial G/S] http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=mcancellieri/gender=f/monique-covet.htm Perla Mazza [Facial] http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=pmazza/gender=f/perla-mazza.htm Actors: Gabriel Zero [NonSex] http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=gabrielzero/gender=m/gabriel-zero.htm Rocco Siffredi http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=rsiffredi/gender=m/rocco-siffredi.htm Silvio Evangelista http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=SEvangelista/gender=m/silvio-evangelista.htm Comments: This is Part 1 of a 2-part original Italian VHS release, containing a g/s scene in scene 4 (Monica, Bisset) which was censored in US Evil Angel release. Evil Angel release contains a combination of scenes in both parts (albeit in different order), and totally missing is a strap-on lesbo scene between Bisset and Perla. Two additional g/s scenss in Part 2 were censored in Evil Angel release. Scenes: Scene 1: Letizia Bisset, Rocco Siffredi, several males Scene 2: Letizia Bisset, black male Scene 3: Letizia Bisset, Rocco Siffredi, several males Scene 4: Monica Cancellieri, Letizia Bisset, Perla Mazza, Rocco Siffredi, 2 black males, Gabriel Zero Scene 5: Letizia Bisset, Perla Mazza Scene 6: Perla Mazza, Rocco Siffredi, several males Scene 7: Letizia Bisset, Rocco Siffredi, Silvio Evangelista, several males [Link]
kafka All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04	Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 1:03AM Several years ago, Rocco sold the censored GS scenes from his movies to a website I was a member of. Depending on version, there may be as many as 4 GS scenes: 1) Rocco, Shalimar, Monica (the champagne bottle douche scene). 2) Rocco, Monica, Perla 3) Rocco, Shalimar, Clarissa 4) Perla and the guys in the boxing ring. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 2:12AM kafka wrote: Several years ago, Rocco sold the censored GS scenes from his movies to a website I was a member of. Depending on version, there may be as many as 4 GS scenes: 1) Rocco, Shalimar, Monica (the champagne bottle douche scene). 2) Rocco, Monica, Perla 3) Rocco, Shalimar, Clarissa 4) Perla and the guys in the boxing ring. Click to expand Kafka, I have provided a very detailed review of what appears to be the complete and uncut Italian versions of this movie. See the EGAFD link in my first post in this thread. In Pt 1 there is the photo shoot/champagne bottle g/s with Monica and Letizia/Shalimar, then in Pt 2 there is Letizia toilet g/s (Clarissa does not seem to be involved), and finally at the end of Pt 2 in the boxing ring some men pee on Perla. If you can recollect and can provide info regarding scene #2 outlined in your post above (Monica, Perla) it would be most appreciated. But if I read your post correctly, you say there "may be" 4 g/s scenes. If the scenes you saw were censored, how were you able to conlcude there were 4 involved? [Link]
kafka All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04	Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 1:47AM Len, I've seen the clips that were removed from the Evil Angel version. As best I recall, there was also a French version, who I don't remember who put out (possibly Colmax), also released as Mai Dire Mai a Rocco Siffredi, in two parts. I've only seen promotional shots for this in Hot Video Magazine back in 1995, which showed the Rocco, Monica, Perla GS scene which I saw the clip of. I've read the scene descriptions of the Italian versions over the years, and have never seen that portion of the scene described in the Italian version. Therefore, it may have only been in the French version. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 2:40AM kafka wrote: Len, I've seen the clips that were removed from the Evil Angel version. As best I recall, there was also a French version, who I don't remember who put out (possibly Colmax), also released as Mai Dire Mai a Rocco Siffredi, in two parts. I've only seen promotional shots for this in Hot Video Magazine back in 1995, which showed the Rocco, Monica, Perla GS scene which I saw the clip of. I've read the scene descriptions of the Italian versions over the years, and have never seen that portion of the scene described in the Italian version. Therefore, it may have only been in the French version. Click to expand Interesting. "Hot Video" mag showed photos of that g/s scene? Back in 1995? I have bought a few "Hot Video" mags over the years and never saw g/s photo lay-outs in them. The mag was no more explicit than the US "Adam Film world", unless I missed out on something. Can you clarify a little more. [Link]
kafka All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 11:50PM Now, my copies of these magazines were recycled years ago, but to the best of my recollection, there was a full page ad for the French version of Mai Dire Mai (one of the parts). It showed Rocco peeing on Monica and Perla. I haven't looked at Hot Video in years, but around the mid 90's, I would say they were much more sexually explicit than Adam Film World of the same period. [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 8:56AM kafka wrote: Now, my copies of these magazines were recycled years ago, but to the best of my recollection, there was a full page ad for the French version of Mai Dire Mai (one of the parts). It showed Rocco peeing on Monica and Perla. Click to expand Firstly, Can you clarify whether what you saw of the existence of this additional (4th) g/s scene was based only on that ad in "Hot Video" magazine, or whether you actually saw a snippet or complete (uncensored) scene you claim was available for download on that internet site? Secondly, can we move on with the the review of this movie (uncut Part 1) for inclusion in IAFD database, before I can make a draft of Part 2? Can you have a look at the rough draft I posted above, along with the questions I raised? Thanks. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 8:50AM Len801 wrote: Question (1): In scenes where a female or male performer is present but does perform a sex scene (for instance the photo shoot session, where Gabriel Zero is the model photographer, and Perla Mazza is just spying on the whole proceedings, and in which she does a very non-explicit masturbation) do you include them in the scene breakdown for that scene? Click to expand I am not sure I understand your question. Is this about Perla Mazza or Gabriel Zero? The main rule is this: Only performers who perform sexual acts (anything that can be marked by any IAFD's sex notes except [NonSex]) are mentioned in the scenes breakdown. Now, the sex act must be explicit, not implied or faked. So, that leaves us with the question what you mean by "a very non-explicit masturbation". Also, if we assume that Perla's masturbation is explicit enough to include her in the scene breakdown, I will probably add a comment explaining that she isn't part of the main action of the scene. Question (2): for sexual activity such as golden shower is the code g/s, G/S or what exactly? Click to expand The sex note for golden shower appears as "GS" on the site. It doesn't matter much to me how you mark it for review purposes as long as I can see immediately what you mean. You can use G/S, g/s or whatever you prefer. Question (3): What qualifies for IR inclusion: b/j, facial, or does it have to be penetration? Click to expand Blowjobs and facial are enough to qualify for IR. Penetration is not necessary. Question (4): where several males are involved, do you use "guys", "several males", and if there are some white and some apparent blacks in a scene Click to expand There is no real rule (yet) on this. I mostly simply use "guys". If I know the exact number of males involved, I add the number of guys (only if there are less than 11 guys involved -- this is related to how the Data Entry Tool is set up). I know that sometimes 'free experessions' such as "black_male" or whatever has been used. I don't do that. Too much hassle. Question (5) I noticed the scene breakdown for the Evil Angel version shows specific number of males (20, etc). I don't know how anyone looking at the film could actually and accurate;ly determine that. How was that assessment arrived at? Click to expand I have no idea. I didn't add the data of this movie. A most likely source is either a review or a user submission. I certainly didn't count them. [By the way Walter I noticed the Italian title is no longer in IAFD database, was it due to this upcoming modification, or something else?] Click to expand Not sure what you mean. The Italian title is still listed as an AKA for the Evil Angel version? [Link]

Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 9:18AM I added the first part of the Italian original. I added [IR] tags for Shalimar, Monique Covet and Perla Mazza based on the scenes breakdown provided by Len. If that was a mistake, we can always correct it. Runtime may be given as you have clocked it on your source. We don't bother with NTSC to PAL conversions. Things are complicated enough as they are. p.s. I also added and changed the comments to the Evil Angel version. Edited by - Walter Burns on 8/25/2009 9:19:27 AM [Link]
Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 6:27PM Walter Burns wrote: Len801 wrote: Question (1): In scenes where a female or male performer is present but does perform a sex scene (for instance the photo shoot session, where Gabriel Zero is the model photographer, and Perla Mazza is just spying on the whole proceedings, and in which she does a very non-explicit masturbation) do you include them in the scene breakdown for that scene? Click to expand I am not sure I understand your question. Is this about Perla Mazza or Gabriel Zero? The main rule is this: Only performers who perform sexual acts (anything that can be marked by any IAFD's sex notes except [NonSex]) are mentioned in the scenes breakdown. Now, the sex act must be explicit, not implied or faked. So, that leaves us with the question what you mean by "a very non-explicit masturbation". Also, if we assume that Perla's masturbation is explicit enough to include her in the scene breakdown, I will probably add a comment explaining that she isn't part of the main action of the scene. Click to expand It was really about both, bust most specifically about Perla. Gabriel Zero is seen in a couple of scenes, but does not perform any sex act. With regards to Perla, she is seen very briefly in the photo shoot session. She is seen hiding behind a sort of large transparent screen, spying on the action.She is seen putting her hands between her legs briefly. You have seen this sort of action in many softcore and hardcore movies where a woman is spying on some people having sex and may rub her breasts (covered and uncovered)as well as her pussy. Perla's masturbation is very brief and is not overly explicit by porn standards, but it is there. Rocco does notice her, and is piqued by her presence, and it was probably more a film device to introduce her, than to add eroticim to the scene. By classic yardstick of explicitness, it may not qualify for including her presence in that scene as "mast". That is why I reaised the question. [Link]
kafka All-Star Member IAFD.com 1160 Posts 4/04	Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 11:59PM Len801 wrote: Firstly, Can you clarify whether what you saw of the existence of this additional (4th) g/s scene was based only on that ad in "Hot Video" magazine, or whether you actually saw a snippet or complete (uncensored) scene you claim was available for download on that internet site? Secondly, can we move on with the the review of this movie (uncut Part 1) for inclusion in IAFD database, before I can make a draft of Part 2? Can you have a look at the rough draft I posted above, along with the questions I raised? Thanks. Click to expand I thought I had the snippet on CD, but I do not. My guess is from discussions that I have seen over the years, that this part of the scene was never released. Sorry for the digression. [Link]