But I would say that in terms of sold DVDs, Gonzo can be called the real mainstream porn now.

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Over the last few years or so, the term "Gonzo" really seems to have expanded to include not only the "Buttman", "Seymore Butts" type movies that have some level of a story line to now include what used to be referred to (and what I think still should be referred to) as "All Sex" or "Wall to Wall" titles, which contain disjointed sex scenes with no premise of a story.

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I think "Gonzo" is used by most people to describe raincoater stuff while "feature" or "mainstream" is used to describe softer porn.
Most people don't care about genres. They only want to know the kind of sex presented.

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Plus when you take into account things like PPV and cable channels like Spice. It would not be hard to see how a "feature" type movie could out sell a gonzo one even if it sold less DVD's.

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When it comes to sales, I've no idea, but II'd say mainstream is where the money is, but not where our respect is, like with everything else. Stupid people think mainstream is good - smart people understand mainstream is trash thrown at stupid people.

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Overall I say that the gonzo porn is more popular in overall sales in all markets except of course cable where softer, more content is offer so not to offended anyone!
I would think that gonzo is the majority of the internet online sales - period! It is short and it totally sex and nothing else!

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Unfortunately, as far as I know, no definitive stats are available (publicly, that is), on adult films sales. I know that adultdvdempire.com ranks both companies and films based on gross sales, but raw numbers are not given. I heard AVN keeps excellent data on sales, but if they do, they hold on to it tightly.

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I am suprised most of you think gonzo porn sells better (I think of dvd and vhs sales, not cable tv). I basically asked this question after Steph (if I remember right) scolded me in another tread for allegedly supporting a small but loud minority asking for hardcore gonzo all the time. She claimed based on sales figures known to her, that this loud minority was actually irrelevant when talking about sold dvd/vhs items.
Me, I simply dont know those sales figures...But from what I read now maybe I as gonzo-lover am not in such a small minority group after all...

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You won't find many Gonzo DVDs which come near to the sales of Wicked's SPACE NUTS for example.
The reason is that the Gonzo market is totally flooded with products of all kind. The sales for Gonzo are high while the sales for each single release are not that high.

Since you refer to the other thread. I think the main problem was that you gave some inappropiate comments on the topic and not that you personally prefer Gonzo.

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On a side note: Juha, I know that we disagreed a lot in that porn titles/boxcovers-thread. I still hold my believes. And Steph was rather on your side, I think. BUT I dont think she claimed Gonzo was only fringe market just because she thought my comments were inappropriate.

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To me features are fantasies while gonzo is as much documentary as any other documentary, we can never be sure it's a 100% true, but it's easier to believe in than a big Hollywood production dealing with history.

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