Do most of you like the girls in gonzo vids to have professional makeup jobs done on them or do you like a more natural look?
We shoot web content and most customers want the natural minimal makeup look. Some girls get upset when they can't wear as much makeup as they want. Personally I think most girls are helped by makeup.
Redlight has great makeup people, the girls look great, probably the best they have ever looked in their lives. I've seen some of the young chicks in vids by smaller lesser known companies and then I see them in Breakin Em In or Young Tight Latinas and I barely recognize them as the same girl.
How many gonzo companies actually hire a professional makeup person for their shoots?
God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 30 2003 : 9:05AM
Well I can see why they use make up in the porn world, you defiantly want the girls to look as tip-top as you can to fulfill the fantasy, but personally I hate the smell of make up and prefer it not on. So I guess basically what I'm saying is I can see what its used in porn, don't care if it on or off there, but in my personal life I don't want to have the girls use it.
Ps> The remake about TOO muck make up, I agree there as well, I seen Deja Chan in Me Luv U Long Time #4 and the girl looked ORANGE!
I do NOT have a professional make-up person on my sets; rather, I ask the girl to arrive with the minimum make-up that's she's comfortable with, thus making it look more like reality porn instead of a staged look.
When fantasizing about someone we see in our real/everyday lives, I doubt many of us "see" them as professionally made-up, so I try to duplicate what a girl at the bank, supermarket, gum, etc might look like--I think it helps the viewer fantasize that she's real and that he might indeed somehow have a shot at someday having sex with him. Again, it seems to assist in the "whackability" visuals that I try to provide for the viewers.
To me it depends on the movie, and what thier going for, but in Gonzo, for the most part I would prefer the makeup on the lite side, the less the better for the most part, but none is not the best sometimes either.
Ive seen some movies where the makeup is just turning the girls face colors, from sweat and cum, when you need that much eye shadow, and others, its a little much to me.
I think Dave's approach is good. I will say though in a big budget feature, makeup can be great.
The way a girl at the bank or supermarket looks when we see her with our own eyes is very different from what the camera sees. When you look at a pretty girl cashing your check you don't notice that she's a little oily/shiney, or that her skin tone is a little uneven, you just notice that she's got a nice rack and she's smiling at you.
Professional screen make-up isn't someone from the Clinique counter at Macy's gobbing on foundation and eye make-up. A profesional can creating the natural look, or any other look in a way that read well for the camera. It's not about making the talent look "made-up", it's about making them look right.
Professional makeup ALWAYS! Some of the girls need no makeup at all and yet some of them need so much that I give up and send them home. It's helpful to have a pro on hand to deal with whatever scenario arises.
Quaze
P.S. The following girls barely need makeup ( in other words, you could wake up beside them in the morning and not be horrified... not that I ever have) Taylor Rain, Monica Sweetheart, Bobbi Eden, Arianna Jolee, Inari Vachs, Lea Demae, Brianna Blaze, Gauge, Dani Woodward, Bella Marie-Wolfe, Jennifer Luv.
There are many others of course but my attention span is depleted. Maybe I need Ritalin :)
I've watched some movies where I thought the makeup was done just fine, and another reviewer thought it was overdone. The one example that comes to my mind right now is the 4th scene in "The Pussy is not Enough." I thought the actress Victoria's makeup was done well - yes, it is noticeable, but it was done right, and really enhanced her looks, making her more attractive than in the other movie I saw her in, where she was wearing little makeup. Another reviewer wanted to know, "who did her makeup?" he objected to it so much in this PXP scene.
I suppose people have their tastes, but I think that the actresses should at least be allowed to wear mascara, eye shadow, blusher, lipstick, and some light foundation, at the very least. By the time their image ends up on videotape, then on the master DVD, then replicated, then fed through a DVD player onto a TV screen, how much "natural look" is their going to be left anyhow? There is nothing natural about this entire electronic process.
Even men on TV wear makeup, like TV news journalists. Even he-man Donald Rumsfeld sports some foundation when he's on "Meet the Press"; you can see they've covered up his age spots, which anyone can clearly see at his C-Span Pentagon briefings. Not that it makes him look more handsome, but he just appears healthier with the makeup. (No, I am not a Rummy fan and I don't want to see him in a porn film)
This is especially true in the porn image train. Tiny CCDs feeding low-end analog/digital converters that put out a 5:1 compressed video stream in 4.1.1 color space. In other words, the cameras we use don't have a lot of finess with the fine details. A little make-up, professionally appllied goes a long way to putting less strain on the DV compression scheme, leaving more room for the sparkle in her eyes.
I like the beauty that can be found in "unvarnished" reality. Craggy coastlines, craggy faces, a young woman sans shaving, make-up, or pretense. But capturing this sort of "reality" requires a medium capable of gathering more detail than a Sony PD100 (my DV camera of choice.)
There's nothing wrong with Mr.Cummmings "as I find them" approach. That has a look and an "emotional signature" for the viewer, one that can be quite powerful.
But it's no more "real" than any other technique, and requireness no less sensitivity from the director to produce the desired effect. The ultimate aim is authenticity; be it "authentic fantasy" or "authentic reality". But whatever varity of authenticity the director strives for, authenticity is always a confection.
Wait until everyone goes to HiDef...then we will really need make-up artists on every set. Private always uses make-up artists. One of the best is also a star...Flick Shagwell!
I've heard the same thing from set designers, mainstream make-up artists, greensmen and painters. They all say Hi-Def is murder on all the little fakeries employed to make things look better than real life.
Paradoxically, film, which has much higher resolution than HD seems more forgiving for make-up, especially minimal or no make-up. My feeling is this has something to do with HD's limited exposure range (compared to film) rather than resolution. I also think that's why film transfered to SD still looks better than HD transfered to SD.
I've noticed that some of Jewel directed Platinum X Pictures titles have a little too much make-up on some of the female performers. I may be wrong on this assumption, but by the extra footage, it looks as though Jewel herself does some of the make-up on the girls.
Regarding Hi-Def and capturing every little flaw on the talent (pimples, in-grown hairs, razor burns) isn't there a way of "softening" the filming by using some sort of soft lens? Although not quite the same, it looks somewhat similar to the view you get when watching a soap opera.
I admire the subtle application of make-up as seen on the ladies of some earlier Max Hardcore films
Samurai Dai
Edited by - samurai dai on 12/1/2003 8:02:02 PM
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Posted - Dec 1 2003 : 9:31PM
I think the proper application of makeup can make all the difference in the world. There's a fine line, however, between "just right" and "too much" and I especially hate it when a girl has so much makeup on that it starts running during shooting. Acchh!! Nothing worse than runny makeup!! But, ideally, makeup enhances the natural beauty of a woman more than anything else and so I am in general a big supporter of the idea that a professional makeup artist is invaluable in porn.
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32 Posts 12/03
Posted - Dec 5 2003 : 3:52PM
Max Hardcore makes his girls look hideous like clowns!!!! Dave Cummings or Mike Quasar have yall had Serena South in any of your videos.