Oh never mind. What's the fucking point. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 2/9/2010 8:19:48 PM
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NewRomancer Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 11:01PM
Actually, your body parts don't necessarily determine your gender... Your DNA does and the two do not always agree
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 11:44PM
Actually you're both equally wrong - but only since you're both partially correct. Slate Magazine had a good article on the topic of gender testing following the Caster Semenya debacle. Here is a link: http://www.slate.com/id/2225810/ In short, DNA is not determinative of gender. A combination of factors, taken together, determine the gender of a person.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:21AM
I do not know what kind of weird motivation you have to argue, but nobody here is talking about hermaphroditism. This is about the fallacy of transgenderism. Actually, my post is 100% correct, altering body parts does not change gender, nor does any drug or any other substance. Everything about your post supports the truth of my post. There is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Whatever any gender test reads before body altering (either anatomical or phisiological), it will read the same after body altering.
have you seen how much hate Christian gets due to being in tgirl videos? for whatever reason, it's acceptable for two dudes to rub dicks while fucking one chick, but to do anything with a chick with her own dick is "gay" and "a big no." certainly seems to be the case, anyway.
I think if you were born male you can never be a real girl.Girls taste different than man,smell different EVERYTHING different. I do NOT hate transexuals but I'd rather watch gay porn than transexual porn.
You're right I agree I don't think Transsexuals should be considered women. Most transsexuals if you really analyze them have some male characteristics that they just can't get rid of. Like the man jaw, the big feet, the bone structure, etc. Transsexuals are manmade they are exotic creatures almost like a unicorn. I have no desire to be with a Tranny in real life but I must admit tranny porn on some days I do find arousing. And I must admit I think there is some bi sexuality to it, but I don't think if you watch tranny porn you are gay or bi, but you probably find the taboo aspects of tranny porn and bi sexuality arousing. But you have to ask yourself what about the men who like boyish looking women, are they secretly bisexual or guys who like female steroid abusing bodybuilders are they secretly bi? And also I think there are very few people living who are 100% straight or 100% homo.
Great post! I watch gay porn ( Bel Ami titles,her fave ) w/ my GF and it was kinda erotic but I'm NOT gay but I can appreciate a nice looking cock.
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 3:00PM
The criticism Christian draws is for being evasive about his sexuality. If he simply said "I'm bisexual" that would be the end of the story. Nobody would care since the world is full of bisexual people. Instead, Christian takes the position that a man can suck dick and occasionally take one in the pooper and yet still be 100% heterosexual. His rationalization is that the dick is attached to a transsexual. Why he feels the need to do this is beyond me. Perhaps Christian is afraid of the label "bisexual" in the same way a lot of people who voted for George Bush twice now adamently contend they are "independents." At a certain point in life though, you have to be honest with what you are.
The fact of the matter is that dudes are gonna hate on male performers in porn, period. We are a jealous lot by nature. Dudes will slag male talent anyway and for any reason they can. And if a performer does something as "out of bounds" as tranny porn, that's gonna be the obvious thing to bare down on them about. If said performer were too fat, hairy, white or black, they'd still get hated on. It's envy really. These dudes is fuckin the girls you wish you were, so people are gonna feel the need to slag them off. It's simple really.
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 4:05PM
It's not envy. It's annoyance with guys who take the focus off the women. When a heterosexual male watches a porn scene with a hot girl, the male actor is viewed essentially as a prop. A prop, by definition though, should be neutral. It's when that prop absorbs the scene that it stops serving its purpose.
Why would anyone give a shit if a guy who does tranny porn identifies as straight and not bisexual? Think about it, what difference does it make to you (I'm not speaking directly to Tobias, but to his point)? And in the same respect, why should anyone care if a transexual or her fans identify her as a female and call her a woman? Seems like a lot of people are just straight up insecure. It's like straight married people worried that the sanctity of their marriage will be completely destroyed the minute gays obtain marriage equality.
@raybbaby: Attention is drawn away from the female when the male is "hamming it up" or talking or otherwise being obnoxious and obtrusive, often further compounded by the cameraman who gets sucked into the distraction and diverts the camera attention away from the female and toward the male. That's why viewers "hate on male performers in porn". It has nothing to do with envy. It has nothing to do with TS. It has everything to do with ruining the scene with asinine behavior.
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 7:44PM
I wasn't referring to Christian - So chill on your almost motherly protection of Mr X. I was referring to guys who draw attention to themselves during the scene (incessant talkers, etc.)
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 4:05AM
Man, you are obsessed with Christian. Can you provide any evidence that he's ever denied being bisexual? This is all in your head, and I suspect, in your pants. Let it go for Christ's sake, you're a broken record.
^ I was just thinking, that seems very odd that Christian would even feel the need to assert any sexual category at all. He always struck me as someone extremely comfortable with his sexuality - that's one of the main reasons I find him so hot. However, even if he did identify as straight, why do you all care? An individual is entitled to identify as whatever they want. The fact that you all get so riled up about it says a lot more about you than it does him.
Has Nacho, Joey Silvera or Rocco ever got down with a transsexual on film?
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 3:20PM
A lot of female performers care because of a perceived increased risk of HIV from working with male performers who also do gay scenes. When they communicate their concerns to directors, the directors end up not wanting to schedule the male performer who does cross over work. And who can blame them? Male performers are a dime a dozen. Whether it's fair or not, the porn industry is extremely discriminatory in this regard. Female performers are encouraged to explore bisexuality. Male performers are not.
^ I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the mechanics of sex regarding porn - girls can decide for themselves whether or not fucking someone who is trans is "gay." It's on film. I'm talking about him asserting a personal sexual identity.
It is true that we TS will never be cisgendered women. Obviously we will always be TS, even if we have a complete sex change. But gender is different than sex, gender is a social construct while sex albeit a murky area is a biological designation. As for taste and smell....I was castrated 7 years ago and my body produces less testosterone than most natal females, which means that my body odor is virtually indistinguishable from non trans women. I know because I can smell the difference in the TS who still have testes.
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 5:05PM
All you're doing is playing a semantic game. You can act like a woman all you want, but you are not one as long as you don't have the right parts. Maybe in the next life, you'll get what you want. In this one though, you are what you've been dealt.
^I don't expect you to understand and you are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am, and fortunately people like you don't read me in public. It is true that I am what I've been dealt, which is what makes me such a unique and amazing person. I make hot movies and people of all different genders and sexual orientations enjoy them. [mod edit: unnecessary quote removed.] Edited by - savoy on 2/11/2010 10:43:18 PM
Why would anyone in the porn audience care if some male porn performer has sex on camera with shemales? I don't care about the guys at all; I'd prefer never to see their faces, hear their voices, or know their names. As one of the posters in this thread said, males in porn are just a prop. I don't watch porn in which condoms are used, but condom-free porn depicting shemales is pretty rare. I would like to see condom-free porn with shemales dominating and assfucking both girls and other shemales. I would be less interested in porn depicting shemales with guys.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:23AM
Gender is real and scientific. There is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Altering body parts does not change gender. It is just a male with an altered body. Therefore, there is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Whatever any gender test reads before body altering (either anatomical or phisiological), it will read the same after body altering.
I shoot predominantly BDSM and Girl-girl (either with females or other TS) and my movies are often condom free. Most of the TS women I shoot are predominantly or entirely into women. It is actually one of the things that is so funny about this conversation. All the people who claim that Shemale porn is gay, because TS are men, they never have an answer when I ask if my movies are then straight. Is it straight when I shoot a movie with a female? For example....Does this look like straight porn to anyone? http://www.mandy-mitchell.com/blog/?p=241
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Tobias Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 4:29AM
More semantic games. Let's put it this way, if you were a hooker, who would you expect your clients to be? Straight women? - No. Gay or closet gay men? - Yes. That makes what you do gay.
When I have sex with women is it straight or gay? Is that semantics? Do you understand what I'm saying? I believe I make gay porn. It involves me fucking girls brains out and vice versa. Your logic that calls men gay for sleeping with transexuals would mean that women are straight if they fuck me, regardless of the type of sex that occurs.
Gender and sex are two different things. I thought this was established many years ago. It's not a game of semantics, it's just simple definitions. Every time you say "gender" you mean "sex." If you would simply start using the correct word in your "argument" it would at least make sense in terms of word choice. I would still disagree with you, but your comments would at least be taken more seriously.
Couldn't agree more. I like shemale on shemale; shemale fucking girls and men fucking shemales. Have very little interest in watching a man suck cock and take it in the ass from a shemale (or anhother male for that matter). That's the difference and why shemale marketing to het porn guys with porn drift is the way to go and not assume that it's a gay market for this stuff.
^ I don't see why DVDs are put into gay/straight categories at all. It's frankly irritating. All the movies have "tags" on them already, so it's not like you wouldn't be able to find what you want. And it's even less likely that you would order something and not be aware of the content. The rigid separation of DVD sites into gay/straight strikes me as a rather hysterical effort (for the benefit of the consumer) to deny any overlap.
Mandy, I, for one, appreciate your contibutions to this thread, and I'm heartened that you are making condom-free porn. I think that the marketing categorizations of porn are not intended so much as cues to consumers as an attempt to make consumers unashamed about porn consumption preferences. Some people would like to watch things in porn that they would never do in real life. Porn companies don't want their customers who are in this situation to feel bad and try to market and package accordingly, I think. Shemale porn is clearly a robust niche market, as the numerous long-running shemale websites demonstrate. The content of shemale porn, it seems to me, is pretty narrow, though.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 4:12PM
Thanks clerical boy. Your intelligence is well represented by matters of spelling.
There is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Altering body parts does not change gender. It is just a male with an altered body. Therefore, there is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Whatever any gender test reads before body altering (either anatomical or physiological), it will read the same after body altering.
It's nice to see that progressively more people explore the whole spectrum of sexuality. The explosion of female anal sex has made gay sex much less odd. TS sex will help the next step.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:30PM
There is no science whatsoever, and no biological evidence, to support the misplaced gender theory. There is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Altering body parts does not change gender. It is just a male with an altered body. Therefore, there is no such thing as a trans-sexual. Whatever any gender test reads before body altering (either anatomical or physiological), it will read the same after body altering.
And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09
Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:54PM
Three times you've said this statement in this thread. I've quoted it three times, now it's six, because that's how you're going to answer anybody. You might as well have it as a signature. It's not big, and it's not clever. If there's one emoticon that was made for talking to people like you, it's this: [o\|] Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 2/13/2010 7:00:50 PM
MOD: Bootymeister: Repeating yourself ad nauseam in this thread isn't going to win you any friends. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please move on to another thread.
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 8:01PM
The tension generated by this thread is evident. But the topic is also timely. Within the last few years, I've noticed that online rental outlets have increasingly started lumping transsexual titles in with their straight titles. I'm assuming that before then they were categorized as gay titles. Whatever prompted the shift, as a heterosexual male I have to say that it stinks to have to scroll through bunches of tranny titles just to get to a new Jenna Haze or Monique Alexander release. If you want to see what I'm talking about, go to XRent's new releases on any given day. Quite frankly, it almost feels like some kind of quasi socio-political assault on heterosexual male customers, which is stupid since that group forms the bulk of the porn buying/renting population. Just another case I suppose of porn producers/vendors not caring what their audience either cares about or wants.
I think you greatly exagerate the "pure" heterosexual porn male audience. John Stagliano, Buttman, said that most of the male porn audience are slightly bi curious. Think about how many so called pure straight porno fans go on and on about the men in porn. How many so called straight porno fans won't by a movie with their favorite porn actress in it becasue she is with a guy he doesn't like. I thought the focus was on the girl? I don't think you should lump pure gay titles with straight titles but Bi and Tranny titles in my opinion belong right next to the straight titles.
You can easily customize and save your search to exclude genres you don't want to see. I ended my membership with xrent a year ago and I can still use my saved search preferences to browse new releases. If you're looking for specific performers, well, that's even easier. And since when have you not had to comb through tons of crap you don't want to see to find good porn? That's like always a given.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 11:48PM
Porn needs to be organized. I only shop at stores where the porn is organized. If the porn is not organized, I do not shop there. The vast majority of shoppers want this and most retailers know it. Besides, a good porn shop wants to be able to find a DVD, if you can not. The only porn shops that do not organize the porn, choose not to pay for the extra help.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 4:06AM
Except the topic isn't 'are trannies really gurls' but what male porn performers have done trannies. You have contributed nothing to the OP but derail it with your trannie/gay obsession. The second part reads like something that Stephen Colbert would say. But he's joking, you sadly, are not.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 2:06PM
Thousands of spelling errors in this forum (and every other forum the net) and you are fixated on mine? Take your own advice, keep your strange fixations to the OP, alright? Peter North, Byron Long, Christian and Justin Long all have gay porn in their work history. I am sure these are not the only ones. It has been said (of course not substantiated) recently and since the 70s that most male pornstars are bi. A good hetero scene, is a good hetero scene, who cares? Maybe the industry cares less than it used to, they will do what is best for sales in their eyes.
Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 8:14PM
