Male talent going overboard with roughing up

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PornoSmurf Senior Member 1190 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 2:08PM I don't want to bring up a heavy topic like this without justifying why I am. I've been away for almost three weeks and I don't enjoy porn on my cell phone, anyway today was the first day in a while where I could enjoy some scenes (well I had a couple of days to view scenes in my hotel room on my laptop but data was limited). Back to the point, I was enjoying some scenes and watched some gangbangs, I usually prefer orgies but was on a bit of a Tiffany Doll and other gangbang girl binge. I enjoyed the scenes but something that really takes me out of a scene is when the male talent goes overboard with treating the girl like shit. I've seen this in MFF and MF scenes too, it just takes me out of the scene. So the reason I'm posting this here is in the hope that industry players and decision makers will read this and tone it down a bit. Now look, I understand that if humiliation porn is your thing then cool, go for it. I mean the female talent signing up to do a humiliation scene knows what she's in for, so that's cool. Another example, was watching an orgy with a lot of A grade porn stars and the fucking camera man SCREAMS at one of the girls something like "get your fucking hair out of the shot!" or... "fucking MOVE!!". Or in a scene where there's one girl and two guys and one of the guys barks out "why the fuck did you take it out of your mouth!" .. Look in some instances it can be hot when the tone is right but when the guy or guys are doing it in a totally fucked up and shitty way, it fucking sucks. Now, this is just not necessary... why treat these beautiful girls like that if they are doing a straight up scene? It is not acceptable or sexy when male talent or camera men or directors scream at the girls and what makes it worse is you see a look of embarrassment coming from the girls which just takes them totally out of the scene.. NOBODY fucking wins. If I could appeal to anyone in the industry reading to stop this barbaric practice as it's just fucked up to treat someone like that firstly and for the reasons I've mentioned in this post. The girls are porn stars and we adore them, they're beautiful, entertaining and fuck on camera for our enjoyment. Treat them properly, just because they're porn stars doesn't give you permission to treat them like shit. I'd actually argue the opposite, treat them like gold, they're our goddesses. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this topic if you have the time please. [Link]
2bollocks Senior Member 3587 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 2:39PM Guy named Filthy Rich(?) is guilty of this. Scenes are usually ruined because of his antics and I feel bad for newer girls who are paired up with him. [Link]
Jeremyx25 Member 40 Posts 1/11	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 4:35PM Not much to say unless you could give a real example that we can all watch. Maybe in the past things in general were going a bit over the limit. But personally nowdays i think that you can buy all kind of stuff from tamed lesbo and vanilla BG to rough sex. [Link]
MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 11:00PM Sadly, too many scenes are ruined these days by male talents who act like complete morons and treat the girls like shit. If you have to treat the girl like crap to stay hard maybe it's time to retire. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 11:13PM There's nothing I love better than a really rough scene where the actress is pushed to her limits, and maybe a little beyond, but where she's turned on as hell and is going with the male's direction. There is a very short list of male stars who can do this, the rest just come off as misogynistic assholes. Max Hardcore, I'm sure, hated women. Brandon Iron didn't. Nacho appears to have some issues, but Manuel Ferrara doesn't. That guy from JM seems a little off, but Rocco doesn't, [Link]

Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Jun 6 2016 : 11:18PM ^ There is a big difference between awesome rough sex and abusive bullshit which I think the OP is referring to. I don't think a lot of people get that difference. I like rougher sex, I don't like abusive sex intended to humiliate or "break" someone emotionally. There are ways to choke a woman during sex (if that is your thing) and still treat her like a goddess. Most porn guys don't get that, a few do and that is why they are so highly regarded. Getting chocked by Rocco who genuinely appears to adore women, and getting choked by some dude ( who acts like he hates your guts and wants to dump you in slug slime) from Facial Abuse are two completely different universes. Too many men in porn who look like they have disgust for women. HOWEVER,as we all know it is such a small talent pool and hard to replace guys who can make this a career, we are pretty much stuck with them. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 6/6/2016 11:33:48 PM [Link]
cormac Senior Member 1093 Posts 1/14	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 6:22AM I don't particularl like rough aggressive sex full stop. Nevertheless there is a place for it as others have said. But I've seen scenes that are nothing less than deviant rape fantasies that really shouldn't be put on screen. [Link]
PornoSmurf Senior Member 1190 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 12:30PM Canadian_Cindy wrote: ^ There is a big difference between awesome rough sex and abusive bullshit which I think the OP is referring to. I don't think a lot of people get that difference. I like rougher sex, I don't like abusive sex intended to humiliate or "break" someone emotionally. There are ways to choke a woman during sex (if that is your thing) and still treat her like a goddess. Most porn guys don't get that, a few do and that is why they are so highly regarded. Getting chocked by Rocco who genuinely appears to adore women, and getting choked by some dude ( who acts like he hates your guts and wants to dump you in slug slime) from Facial Abuse are two completely different universes. Too many men in porn who look like they have disgust for women. HOWEVER,as we all know it is such a small talent pool and hard to replace guys who can make this a career, we are pretty much stuck with them. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 6/6/2016 11:33:48 PM Click to expand That's exactly my point, there are some rough scenes out there that are just amazing to watch. They only work for me though if the girl is into rough sex. I am particularly referring to guys being total assholes to the female talent when there is no need for it or when you can see that it is turning the girl off or making her feel like shit. Another example, there is a MMF with James Deen and Bridgette B, scene is set in a jail cell and right at the end of the scene when Deen is about to cum on her face, you see this look on her face... like she really wants to cry, she takes the cum shot but for a second at the end you see that she just felt abused at that point. That's fucked up and it takes not only the girl out of the scene but the audience too. Cindy, I don't quite think it's guys who have disgust for women, I think it is with guys who have some serious psychological issues. I also agree with a poster above when they said that if they need to rough up girls to get hard, they should just retire. Actually it's funny you should mention that because a certain male porn star who is infamous for his stupidly aggressive scenes always seems to have like a 50% hardon... WHAT THE FUCK? Either use viagra or fucking retire FFS. Some of these guys can't stay hard for shit and they fuck up so many scenes. An example of male talent who has always been respectful to female talent is Johnny Sins, he is just a guy who enjoys fucking hot girls. He keeps a steady erection, fucks the female talent properly. Yes does do choking and some rough stuff now and then but I've never seen him go overboard. Then you get the limp dicked guys with short dick syndrome who feel they need to hurt the girls to stamp their authority over them. It needs to fucking stop. [Link]
cormac Senior Member 1093 Posts 1/14	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 12:44PM Perhaps if e really want the guilty parties to take note, we should name names. [Link]
Deborn Member 113 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 12:46PM MOD: Adult DVD Talk is a Community of Porn Fans and Industry Insiders Please do not talk about pornstars, directors or producers as if they are not here. (Katsumi sums it up nicely.) We are lucky to have industry participants, and they are paying attention to your constructive criticism. Insults will get you nowhere and lead to the deactivation of your forum account. If you work in the industry please be honest about your porn connections. See our Member Directory for a list of stars, directors, producers and other insiders who participate. Calling someone a shithead is not constructive criticism. Edited by - flash on 6/7/2016 12:50:29 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 12:57PM PornoSmurf wrote: the fucking camera man SCREAMS at one of the girls something like "get your fucking hair out of the shot!" or... "fucking MOVE!!". Or in a scene where there's one girl and two guys and one of the guys barks out "why the fuck did you take it out of your mouth!" .. Click to expand What the hell? I would love to know which studio produces this/who is saying this stuff. If the performer looks embarrassed, then yeah this is not arranged, mutual rough sex. It's just verbal abuse. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 4:02PM ^ It has to be from the cabrones at facial abuse. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 7 2016 : 4:07PM ^ If that were the case, I would dismiss the OP. He makes it sound like this is happening in run of the mill porn, and not just at one site. Maybe I'm wrong. If it's just Facial Abuse, then shrug--why would you watch that and then complain about abuse? I don't like that the site exists, but I also don't watch it. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - Jun 8 2016 : 7:59AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ^ If that were the case, I would dismiss the OP. He makes it sound like this is happening in run of the mill porn, and not just at one site. Maybe I'm wrong. If it's just Facial Abuse, then shrug--why would you watch that and then complain about abuse? I don't like that the site exists, but I also don't watch it. Click to expand Since I mentioned facial abuse was that directed towards me? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 8 2016 : 10:36AM ^ No, I meant the OP. I was saying I don't think he means Facial Abuse. [Link]

PornoSmurf Senior Member 1190 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 8 2016 : 12:20PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ^ No, I meant the OP. I was saying I don't think he means Facial Abuse. Click to expand I watched one facialabuse scene, not even the whole scene. It was with Nikki Hunter in it and it was so fucking disturbing. Back to the point, I'm not talking about facial abuse because that site caters to people who like seeing beautiful women verbally abused, spat on and forced to fucking puke. So anyone who signs up for that knows what they're getting themselves into. And Gore Gore Girl, the scenes I was referring to were both orgies and not even like hard hard orgies. One was a milf orgy (with India Summer and Jayden James + others) and the other was a car wash orgy, I think Car Wash Orgy 3 if I'm not mistaken. The camera man yelled at one of the girls and either they didn't think it would come out on the final cut or they didn't cut it. Any way, I just find scenes where the girls are being treated properly much more hot because they are into it and it's the right fucking thing to do. Edited by - pornosmurf on 6/8/2016 12:22:38 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 8 2016 : 1:02PM ^ Understood and agreed. [Link]
RicoEvilAngel Senior Member ^ Alexis Texas in Buttman's Stretch Class #4 1348 Posts 12/15	Posted - Jun 8 2016 : 1:03PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ^ No, I meant the OP. I was saying I don't think he means Facial Abuse. Click to expand I apologise. [Link]
Deborn Member 113 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jun 13 2016 : 1:13AM Deborn wrote: MOD: Adult DVD Talk is a Community of Porn Fans and Industry Insiders Please do not talk about pornstars, directors or producers as if they are not here. (Katsumi sums it up nicely.) We are lucky to have industry participants, and they are paying attention to your constructive criticism. Insults will get you nowhere and lead to the deactivation of your forum account. If you work in the industry please be honest about your porn connections. See our Member Directory for a list of stars, directors, producers and other insiders who participate. Calling someone a shithead is not constructive criticism. Edited by - flash on 6/7/2016 12:50:29 PM Click to expand There is no possibility for constructive criticism when you abuse girls. [Link]
Deborn Member 113 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jun 13 2016 : 1:18AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ... -why would you watch that and then complain about abuse? I don't like that the site exists, but I also don't watch it. Click to expand How can you complain about abuse if you not seen it? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 13 2016 : 8:38AM ^ Where have I complained about abuse on that site? Regardless, one doesn't need to actively watch a site to know they don't like the content. A scene or two and time spent looking at rhetoric and stills was enough for me. A friend of mine performed on an affiliate site, too, and I watched that (until I turned it off). Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 6/13/2016 8:45:18 AM [Link]
Deborn Member 113 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jun 13 2016 : 10:19PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: ^ Where have I complained about abuse on that site? Regardless, one doesn't need to actively watch a site to know they don't like the content. A scene or two and time spent looking at rhetoric and stills was enough for me. A friend of mine performed on an affiliate site, too, and I watched that (until I turned it off). Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 6/13/2016 8:45:18 AM Click to expand First, my comment was not directed at you personally. it is a theoretical argument. one can not complain fully about things you do not have lived, seen ore in some way expiries with some kind of compassion. To be concrete in this debate, you might like hard sex and ruff deep throat, but you might want that the girl get to know the level before and that there are limits (talking things through before, safe words and so on). That's one side of it, you might not like to see the abuse, but like to se ruff sex (if you know the difference). Secondly, it is perhaps also an aesthetic issue and a matter of one's sexuality, as all of us are delicate from time to times. You might not want to hear the men screaming in your ears when you are heterosexual and you might not want to see a girl in shock, in totally absence and almost psychotic. Tell me if a picture and description can tell you about that (not). Tell me if a picture and description can tell you about that if you younger and do not have experience about the site/directror (not). Facialabuse was good in some ways several years ago before the starting to add that abuse thing in it. The guys as obviously got to far. You can read about it a lot on Internet if you take your time. Edited by - Deborn on 6/13/2016 10:38:20 PM [Link]