Some thoughts could be laid to rest if Manuel would perhaps do another Raw with Kayden in it and this time fuck her so intensely and emotionally on camera for us all to see maybe in a different location. Not like the weak previous Raw effort. All their scenes together for Digital Playground were decent except had awful camera angles and close up shots which ruined the scenes completely. This latest Raw release was decent but the setting is not right. I mentioned before what is missing and so have others Only 1 scene was in a hotel room the other 3 were at home.
Just wanted to throw my two cents in here, whether it's wanted or not. First of all LOL it's a job, no matter how hot and dirty a girl is in her scenes and how awesome the scene comes out (my pov with Manuel is one of my fav scenes I've ever shot. Raw and hard with killer chemistry) but no matter what you think of girls in scenes it's all a performance. Porn is a show, we are fucking for the camera not for ourselves . Sex with some one you love, even missionary with the lights out, is always going to win over sex on set. Honestly I would take sex with my boyfriend over being torn apart on set any day, and I love rough sex, I love fucking Rocco and Manuel and nacho and mike Angelo. I love the movies I make with them, but nothing ever compares to being in love. Ever. So if that is what you think has changed manuels performance, then you should be happy for him. He loves his wife so much and I think that's beautiful.
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Posted - Mar 25 2015 : 6:05AM
Well put ms Bentley. I really don't think he's gotten worse in his performance. Raw hasn't been as good as it was earlier in the series but he still has great releases on other companies. And fuck it up was as good as any raw release. The movies yes putting out on Jules Jordan are as good as scenes he did in the mid 2000s. The issue with raw is that it got big and a lot of people started having their own ideas of who should be in it. Some of the casting choices, repeats and girls like Amy Anderssen and Alexa pierce have kind of ruined it a little.
^^@SamanthaBentley You make a good point and perhaps I got ahead of myself equating porn sex to sex at home with someone you love. There really is no comparison, but I still believe a little something is missing like the pre-scene BTS footage and the hotel location. I think many of us who are big fans of Raw and Manuel's work in general are just a bit disappointed by some of the casting selections especially since there are roughly only 4 Raw releases per year. When some of the performances are repeats and some great performers are passed over for some not-so-great performers, I like a few others find myself turning to conspiracy theories. It's all constructive criticism and I think Manuel's work is some of the best in the industry, so I hold him to the highest standard. :)
+1 for Gianna Nicole scene. Also Samantha Saint can be a good choice to see her asshole destroyed given that she did only 2 anal scenes, both of which are awfully short..
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Posted - Apr 6 2015 : 7:52PM
Layla Price getting railed up her 42" ass and proudly showing off some fantastic butthole gapes - that's enough to seal the deal on this movie for me .
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Posted - Apr 6 2015 : 8:57PM
same here, Though I have started losing hope on these series, Cherie brings a lot of heat on her scenes....I just wish it was shot on another location not his home.
This is definitely a solid edition of Raw. I would have loved for him having both Starr sisters in the movie, though, especially since Natasha does anal and is the better performer.
^ That sucks but at least the casting is solid. Actually before he decorated his house it looked more suited for Raw like the scene from Raw 11 with Angela White. Wonder if the hotel management got upset about all the noise? lol
^ it does. I guess Manuel doesn't have the time or want to keep paying for the ladies to meet him in hotel rooms for a sordid and sleazy sexy encounter .. Damn that was the best part :( I did like it as well when he hooked up with some of them in their own places. Cheaper and easier to film at home I guess. Where is that Raw touch I've been missing from back in those earlier releases . Still yes this hopeful sizzling sexual selection for Raw 22 looks promising.
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Posted - Apr 10 2015 : 7:17AM
I don't really have any issues or preferences there. I guess I get how it could add to an atmosphere, but I feel like the scenes can be just as hot in any number of locations.
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Posted - Apr 10 2015 : 8:07AM
Kind of weird that there's an issue of where the scene is shot. Hotel or at his crib its still porn and I don't see how filming at a hotel makes it more raw. Can someone explain.
More voyeurism and erotic. I suppose it is down to an individual's taste, what you want to see. Raw made it look and feel a lot less like a standard setting porn scene. More intimate, deeper like when he gave the camera to some of the performers in the earlier Raw's for example Allie Haze, Kristina Rose and Samantha Ryan - a private sex tape. No distractions just a real meet.... intro and outro - a hotel room or the female performer's home - no gimmicks, no set props etc etc just a hand held camera 2 people meeting fucking and thats it Stimulating Simplicity I know it's still porn and not reality but after thousands of porn scenes it brought something different. these all newer scenes shot in Manuel's home which lack all the intro/outro's and in my opinion lose that original mood and tone from earlier scenes / the build up etc even though the sex can be powerful. Too much changing about leave the format the way it was ... If it ain't broke don't fix it ! ;)
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the traveler Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 10 2015 : 11:52AM
OK so why not just say he should include the intros and outros? Where its shot at doesn't really make a difference. He's still fucking the women on a bed like he did in the hotels. Or maybe its that you're more into the design of the hotels than the actual sex? And when I said its still porn, I meant that it's still him having sex with women
I have mentioned that before on this thread. Just my opinion and from reading the thread from the original first poster to here. :)
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Posted - Apr 14 2015 : 3:52AM
Well said sir! and I think most of us who have been following RAW from the first release will echo your opinions. If you dont agree with Johnny, find the scenes he mentioned and watch them from start to finish to get the "original RAW feel"........ I will also throw in, Mason Moore, London Keys, Marica Hase or Katsuni scenes....the outdoor activities brought RAW to another level. Lorelei/ Nikki Sexx/Jinx Maze ..... the car blow jobs and then the hotel sex just........perversion in a good way. Both Phoenix Marie scenes or Krissy Linn's ..... Liza Del Sierra or Bonnie Rotten in their homes! Kristina Rose/ Asa Akira with the self-recording prior to the scenes........and the list goes on!
Wow that kalina ryu scene for raw 22 that was just released recently on evilangel website is one of the hottest raw scenes in the series. Manuel looked freakishly big in that scene or was it just the tight Asian pussy? Either way can't wait to see the Layla price scene and facial. The Natalia Starr scene looks OK but skippable. Edited by - the traveler on 5/4/2015 12:04:05 PM
^^ Kalina even let him fuck her ass quite a bit in spoon position (penetration was mostly hidden). He had been sticking 2,3,4 fingers in her ass up before and she said he could do what he wanted so he did. He came on her face and she wanted more asking him to fuck her in the shower, but that wasn't shown *fuck!*. Hot, hot scene with great chemistry! If the others even come close to this, it will be an A+ RAW. I hope she does her first all out anal with Manuel in one of his movies preferably Raw. Edited by - seijuro on 5/5/2015 7:27:44 AM
^Nice; Kaylina looks great. Asian pussy is what it is all about. I'm so glad I married a hot Asian 3/4 Chinese 1/4 Indonesian...Still I love to see Asians fuck on screen, taking loads in their pussy and on their faces with those sexy slanted eyes looking up with cum on their face. Look forward to more Asians in the "Raw" series.
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Posted - May 5 2015 : 12:09PM
Loving it what I've seen so far from the layla price scene. This raw is pretty hot so far. Edit: wow, did he really fuck her in the ass? She said his dick was too big for her ass. I guess he got it to fit. Wow Edited by - the traveler on 5/5/2015 12:10:52 PM
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Posted - May 5 2015 : 1:29PM
I thought the kalina ryu scene was hot but it looks like layla prices scene beats it out. Boy, that girl has some of the best sex skills I've ever seen from a female performer. She puts up quite a performance in this scene. You almost feel for manuel cuz she looked like she was trying to suck his soul threw his dick and balls. She was almost too good. The ending facial was hot and wow does this girl get a permanent spot in my memory bank now
^^ Manuel put four fingers up her ass with relative ease and that's as wide as just about any dick even his. He fucked her ass in spoon position, but she closed her legs so it wouldn't be seen clearly.
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Posted - May 7 2015 : 5:39PM
Wow I think this is the best raw in the series. The female stars with rhe exception of natalia starr did an amazing job.
^ Natasha Starr asked Manuel months ago to be in Raw and he said yes, but did it with Natalia instead. Natalia's scene was ok but Natasha would have been much better. She's 1 hex dirtier performer, just as hot and has the thick Polish accent. I would have put them both in the same Raw (different scenes of course). It would have been a good concept of doing both sisters in a Raw movie.
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Posted - May 7 2015 : 10:46PM
I thought it was a pretty good volume overall. Natalia Starr's scene was disappointing, but I enjoyed Kalina Ryu's and Layla Price's scenes. Cherie Deville's scene was the highlight for me, I just wish it wouldn't have been so short.
Yeah Natalia's scene was so disappointing, thought it would be a lot more intense like their other scenes together.
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Posted - May 8 2015 : 2:03PM
Strange, it was. Her scene in manuels maximum penetration 2 was much better.
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Posted - May 8 2015 : 2:09PM
That's a great idea that would add a twist to the raw. It would be like having Mia and ava rose in a raw together. I'm all up for an all sisters raw or an Asian raw edition.
I know Manuel hasn't done it in many years but I would love to see some vag creampies in Raw. He consistently has one of the biggest loads in porn and it think it would look great with the more intimate sex in Raw.
^ Oh, I thought that was just anal creampies? I remember Tricia Devereaux saying that EA doesn't allow their directors to shoot them because the heightened risk of HIV transmission. I think Manuel did an "implied" one with Kayden in one of their scenes in Raw 16 but they skipped the part where the she's supposed to let it leak out. I guess you're right about no vag creampies allowed at EA. Edited by - seijuro on 5/9/2015 10:07:23 PM
Really looking forward to Aidra's scene in 2 Cute 4 Porn. She and Manuel have great chemistry together.
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Posted - May 10 2015 : 12:39AM
That was a real creampie scene. The version released on Kayden's site shows the "proof," so to speak. I think Manuel only does anal creampie scenes these days. He did a scene with Bree Daniels for X-Art recently, where the "creampie" was obviously staged. It was a good scene, but that was kind of a let down.
The 'Raw' series is still great, I just think it's lost some of the charm from the earlier versions. I echo the sentiments you guys have mentioned: I think the lack of variety in shooting locations is starting to hurt the appeal. Especially since a majority of them are shot in what we now recognize as 'kayden and manuel's bed.....living room.....etc etc' Because of this, I'm constantly reminded of the fact it's the same location everytime and that it's Kayden and Manuel's home. (Call me nuts, but I like to pretend that the actors are single and not involved with anyone else while I'm pleasuring myself. Makes the chemistry in the scene that much more real to me, and I'm bit of a romantic. I don't know how much Manuel saves on shot location by doing this for his films, but I imagine it must be quite a lot because I'm sure he recognizes the risk too). I also think manuel realized that the living room scene with the green couch wasn't as good, because the lighting is absolutely HORRIBLE in that room. And even though there are still shorts in the beginning, it feels a lot less spontaneous than it used to, too businesslike....as if every performer appearing already knows what's going to happen and is prepped for sex like a traditional scene. Call it cheesy or whatever, but I really enjoyed the earlier scenes where he would pick up the girl for a 'date' before they'd go to a hotel room to fuck. Probably the most 'real' example of this was that mason moore in raw 6, where literally half or 3/4 of her scene was an actual beach date. You could feel their familiarity at first with their conversation, and slowly feel the sexual tension building up, and the resulting scene really popped for me. And really to this day, that scene still sticks out in my head, and I'll revisit it (even though mason moore isn't really my type of actress) because the chemistry is SO GOOD and so spontaneous in that sequence. I understand that the number of actresses that can meet that requirement with THAT level of familiarity with manuel, but there's at least one who can fulfill that threshold, and it was also why I was slightly underwhelmed with the Kayden scenes that I hope Manuel/Kayden will revisit at some point. Like for a porn powercouple who markets themselves as well as they do, I don't feel like they exploit/maximize the scenes in the ways that they can. Also, I think maybe don't revisit the same girls too often would be another general critique of mine? But then again, I don't know what his selection criteria is.....like sometimes I think it has to be a performer who has shown good chemistry with him....and then manuel might just pull a complete newbie random who I've never heard of. And it's like a double whammy, I don't want to watch somebody for a 3rd time with maneul or whatever (especially since the way the shots in his Raw films have been trending towards more conventional fashion), and similarly, I might not have the motivation to check out a complete unknown unless she is just off the charts hot (which doesn't happen very often). I think his choices recently have been good for the most part (kalina ryu, danica dillan, cherie deville were all very high on my list), but if he were going to take some chances on some unknowns, I just recently discovered Katrina Jade (and I think some people have already mentioned her), and I think from her twitter she would like to do it, I would just absolutely blow my load for days for that scene. Ava dalush is another one. And the really obvious one that I think most people want to happen is samantha bentley. I don't want to make it sound like I'm bashing the series, because it's still very much on my list of must watch no matter what, it's just things that I've noticed in the recent editions.
I also feel nostalgic about the "golden age" as well but I think we shouldn't be surprised about the recent changes in the series. Shooting at his house obviously saves him more money for his production so if it allows him to cast some of our favourites in the future, then I'll accept that. Specially if great scenes come out of these shoots. He stated once or twice he only books the girls he worked with or jerked off to. He occasionally asks for suggestions on Twitter but we don't know if he really considers them. Personally, I think he entered a new phase of his career: except for Raw, all of his titles are now collaborations with Kayden. He ended his classic series "Evil Anal" and "Slutty and Sluttier" and created some new ones at Jules Jordan as Lensman. We also need to accept his best years are behind him, he still is the best male in porn and earned his place amongst the all time top 3 male performers but he no longer performs like the Manuel of old. Retirement may subconsciously be playing on his mind and I would prefer that he leaves on top rather than be the shadow of his former self.