I'm guessing that me attempting to snitch them might get nowhere...but at least it's worth a try.

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@Alex~
Give it a rest. You know the rules here.

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And you are not a snitch. Everyone loses when some scumbag sells an inferior home-made copy of a movie except the scumbag.

P.S. Not that it has any relevance but I'm originally from Canada and I frequently visit adult stores when I'm up there just to check on the very thing you posted about.

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Seriously, how do these guy's get away with it. I don't understand how they can sell and rent that many pirated video's without getting nailed.
If it's not about getting around censorship law's then ya they should be busted.

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Do the disc that they're selling have proper Ontario Film Review Board "Adult Sex Film" stickers?

The OFRB is a good place to report piracy in Ontario. Especially if they are pirating films that aren't approved.

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And don't listen to Alex, shutting down pirates helps everyone from the company being ripped off to the consumer being ripped off.

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Out of curiosity, Quasar, would you mind if I emailed you to see if it is the same company that you claim does it all the time? Or could you email me? Something tells me it probably is, being one of the biggest distributors in Canada.

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I fully support the reporting of this kind of mess because it defrauds consumers.

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And whoever it was that said by ending piracy you end the consumer being ripped off, I would disagree. It's well known by many that even in the absence of competition from copyright infringers the RIAA and MPAA through "creative accounting" rip off their artists, writers, actors, and other employees so they don't have to pay them anything in royalties.

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And I've always maintained that content producers can deal with CI's not by fighting them with lawyers, which isn't very cost effective, but by modifying their business model to work with the new technology that allows their content to be produced so easily. This position though in no way justifies CI.

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Here's the info for those interested:

Store Address:
2673 Eglinton Ave. East,
Toronto, Ontario M1K 2S2
Canada

Update: Now I'm even more convinced about my claim. I rented 5 DVD's and to my surprise, 4 of them were pirated copies:

Seattle Hairy Girls 7 & 8 (Rodney Moore)
Bomb Ass White Booty #6 (Westcoast Productions)
Christoph Clark's Angel Perverse #6 (Evil Angel)
Grand Theft Anal #6 (Zero Tolerance)

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I too have noticed in big cities, especially in Europe but in the States too, that selling bootlegs is openly accepted. People set up stands in the middle of the fucking street selling movies that haven't even been released in that country's cinemas yet! The DVD's don't even have cases, just paper envelopes and "300" or "Road Hogs" written with black marker on the top of the DVD.

And of course people buy the shit knowing that it's a bootleg.

Fuck this "snitch" bullshit. "Snitch" is a word that bullies and criminals use to get over on you. If someone tells you to not speak the truth, that person is trying to control you.

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And the worst that could happen? They may sick the manager from the Ottawa store on you. She's a fucking bitch. She may actually be a man, so watch your ass, literally.

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Update, I just called, and it costs 10.00$ to watch a 2 hour movie in their private viewing booths.

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there are 2 popular methods.

order 1 legit copy from a distributor, rip it to a hard drive, shrink it to fit on a 4.7 GB dvd, then burn it to the disc. not counting the labor cost of 20 minutes total pc time, the blank media costs about .25 per disc.

OR

download the entire dvd rip off the internet (already shrunk to size), then burn it to dvd.

it's obvious which one requires less "work", is less costly, and leaves no paper trail. odd buying habits are a dead giveaway, and distributor sales reps can recognize this type of buyer a mile away. no re-orders, no deep numbers on the hottest titles, etc.

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Granted, there are a small number of people who will take these copies and then try to resell them. I agree that this is no different from the worst kind of piracy.

But if they just keep the copies for personal use, it is only "soft" piracy because no-one made a profit from getting them the materials. It is still not completely right -- but not as wrong as trying to make money off something you don't have the rights to.

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YES, they do have a private viewing booth at the back of the store and I believe it's ONLY 1 movie allotted for a maximum of 2 hours. The clerks are of South Asian descent (Indian/Pakistani?).

YES, arkdvd is correct. They use some variation of this method. If you get lucky, you might get your hands on the master (legit) copy when you rent a dvd. I guess they've tossed in the original copy along with the dupes to avoid making the piracy seem too obvious (like it's not obvious enough right now).

Hey conquistador, I will give the Ontario Film Review Board a try, although methinks they're more of a censorship committee than a piracy watchdog.

For the skeptics out there thinking that I should leave it alone and that this sort of behaviour isn't really hurting the big porn companies "who make millions anyways", well I hate to break it to you but they are hurting a lot of others indirectly involved in the business. Case in point: I've decided to switch retailers to another store 1 block away. So far I've yet to encounter a dupe copy from this new store...his material seems legit, although he has a much smaller selection than store A (the shady store). He says business is slow (hmmm...I wonder why - even during supposedly busy hours) and the store operating costs are mounting. Now, if you were to walk into the shady store that same time of day, you would see more customers.

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I find the easiest way to spot a bootleg DVD is the cheap-ass cover. If you're not gonna spend $3 for a legit DVD, then you surely won't spend $1.50 for a high-gloss dvd cover.

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that method of piracy (overseas) usually targets mainstream movies a lot more. A LOT more. my background is in both mainstream and adult and i have collaborated with the MPAA on mainstream piracy.

with adult piracy, though it may also thrive overseas, there's no need to start anywhere else than in our own backyard. in recent years past, we can recall problems david sturman and jill kelly have ("allegedly") had with duplicators selling product out the backdoor.

when i first got into the business, i used a few different local southern california distributors. one of the "reputable" distributors in downtown los angeles was duping and packaging product in the warehouse. they didn't get any of my business after i discovered it.

if i recall correctly, you were employed at an adult store. so you know that some producers price themselves out of independent rentailer budgets. digital playground and jules jordan are a couple examples. so the unethical shops, feeling the squeeze of larger/better operations, but looking to maintain revenue while cutting cost, turn to piracy to stock and replenish their inventory.

you know that DP and JJ (again, just examples, not picking on anyone) NEVER offer catalog drops at the attractive budget price points. and independents weren't likely to meet howard's minimum purchase of 300 pieces at vivid either.

i don't know what region you are in, but i can tell you this: in southern california and nevada (where i had retail and rentail locations) the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of pirated product reaches the shelves in only TWO ways.

method (a): some jackass will come in to your shop selling good quality rips with piss poor packaging/shrink wrap. these have been duped and then packaged with bootleg artwork. the second tip off is in the pitch, when they offer a price i can't get even when i'm buying DIRECT.

method (b): some jackass will come in to your shop selling good quality rips in a plain white sleeve. these have been bootlegged off the internet.

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