When Max shoots girls who are really into his style like Catalina, BiSexual Britni, or Jade Marcella the scenes are pretty good. The scenes he did with Leanni Lei were really good. But most of his scenes stink cause the girls are clearly not into it. Why do they make movies with him? Does he pay significantly more than other producers?

I guess I would argue that American porn needs a dark side, a Darth Vader foolish or brave enough to push the envelop even at the risk of going to jail. And if you have sampled some of the porn in non-Puritan European countries you might find Max kind of mild.

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Let me be clear that I, at least, do not object to the sex acts themselves, rather it is the accompanying attitude that I can do without.

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But the girls in his series actually look like they are having fun, not just newbies who haven't got the guts (or the money in the bank) yet to demand respect .

Joey shoots a lot of new girls, and they seem to come away with a better feeling than if they were to work with Wax Lardcore.

I personally have stated my opinion, several times, on how much I can't stand Wax. But he does have a good sized following or he wouldn't be making his "movies" any more.

I've heard that Wax came up with the "piledriver" anal position, a very hot position, but could I watch him doing it to a girl? No.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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He's ahead of his time and always has been, that's why people don't understand what he does.

He was shooting anal gapes when most people were shocked just seeing anal sex in a porn movie.

He was gagging babes when most people were shocked by simple deep throating.

Rough stuff is now the vogue but this guy has been at it for years.

Max Hardcore takes porn to a different level and those who like fluffy bunny tender sex should keep away.

You just can't take it baby !

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He was shooting anal gapes when most people were shocked just seeing anal sex in a porn movie.
Umm, WRONG. Anal sex was common before Max even started.

He was gagging babes when most people were shocked by simple deep throating.
And this is great because?

Rough stuff is now the vogue but this guy has been at it for years.
I'm sure Rocco will be fascinated to know what you think his work is. Maybe you didn't bother reading that far, but as I stated earlier, I don't object to the sex, I object to the attitude that goes with it.

Max Hardcore takes porn to a different level and those who like fluffy bunny tender sex should keep away.
Well, that's one way to put it I suppose. Personally, I'd say that those who don't get off on abusing women should keep away.

You just can't take it baby !
Which begs the question why on earth would I want to?

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Actually I think it was Tom Byron who came up with this term "gaping", if I remember correctly, it was when he was shooting a scene for Buttman. (Of course I might have, or might not have, read this in one of Rog's interviews with Tommy.)

It's not so much that I can't handle it, it's just I am not abusive towards women, and don't plan to be. So therefore his "work" does nothing for me.

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you will never in a million years catch me caring what male performer is in a Porn Movie....when I buy or rent porn....I clould care less about the Male Talent....and If I do I must question My prefrence of sex. never do I rent a Porn Movie to see Peter Norths abs or TT Boys Ass.......if I did.....I agian would question my prefrence of sex.

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Back on topic though--I'm with most of the people in this thread in that it's not the acts that bother me about Max. It's the attitude. Talk about women who don't enjoy their male partner in a sex scene.... ::blechhh::

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Max Hardcore is the Devil.

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everything was fine until she met the lovely gentle mr hardcore, how many directors get actresses to sit on their lap slap on some love juice and penetrate them without even flinching, this man has no respect for any women and I flat refuse to ever look at his output let alone buy it.

he is sick period!!!!

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Look at how this thread started, Grumpy:

Nevertheless, there are still negative consequences to Max Hardcore for his highly controversial and misogynistic style of porn. He did get fired from a major porn studio a few years ago because they feared that Max's movies would increase their risk of prosecution by the Bush Administration. And, in fact, as you know, Max has been prosecuted (not Federally) recently in Los Angeles, which resulted in a hung jury, and will be retried early next year.

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Quick summary:
May Ling Su - not very good looking
Queeny Love - gets molested, bananna jammed in throat, eye/facial cum
Jean Kelli - same incremental molestation

All women do double anal via vibrator, and there is urine involved for at least two.

It was crap.

-Numerous scrolls during the action
-http://www.maxhardcore.com/ logo in lower right-hard corner of entire movie
-FF/Rew did not work on all three of my DVD players
-menu not 100% working
-skip back/forward didn't work all the time
-about 7 minutes of "STD test" and other sponsor crap at the beginning of the movie

Some of my favorite movies of the past were "Anal Adventures of Max Hardcore"... Tiffany Mynx was worked over pretty well back then. Those movies were great.

Then the whole industry shifted. Private was bursting onto the scene and folks like Max fell into the trap of constantly having to up the hardcore ante. That is where I stopped viewing porn because instead of putting out a good movie they were simply putting out product.

Max could be considered an innovator of anal, "skull fucking" and other various "acts" towards actresses in his movie. He might also be considered an innovator for bringing other things to US markets:

* Juvenile themes - including playground abductions, "I'm only 12", etc...
* Faked box-covers, with contents on the outside not on the inside...

I can take it.
I just don't want to.

I'm not wasting my money on all this "hardcore" and "extreme" crap where producers think all they need to do I molest some chick or act a certain extreme way to make a movie.

Some people would be happy if porn was "insert girl here" - gag-choke-face fuck, piss on her, anal, double anal, jerk off on her face, humiliate her, do everything you can to her, next... Not me.

Boring.

Max's was good, then it turned into repetitive crap. Based on this recent DVD, it hasn't changed. It's still crap. I'm glad it was a free rental.

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Me, too, I will not bother too much about this tape, because - in order of importance:
1. Max dick is too small
2. He makes those hotties wear his stupid socks
3. I am not turned on by his school-girly sex
4. Max always works alone and I do not want to have to watch dick/dildo-daps only
5. all his speculum and piss action is too much to <ff>
6. he bores me because there is nothing new anymore

I will rather find another Queeny Love and May Ling Su anal-tape. Hopefully someone else can fake-abuse them anally really hard.

BUT for Max hovever I do hope he will move behind the scenes with his demented true hardcore mind to inspire the biz and finally fush this enveloppe futher. No bashing but tumbs up for Max's new career option.

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The whole program was purely about sensationalism and a ratings grabber.

Firstly, this girl did nothing but whine and complain the whole time.

When asked by another producer what she was willing to do, she said yes to everything including anal.
After she got to their motel, she kept complaining about how she hated anal and didn't want to do it and so on.....

Now lets be realistic, this girl isn't very good looking, so getting a contract with a glamour porn studio is out of the question.
The only way for her to 'make it' in the business is to do everything.

Now I don't know about you, but when I go for a job, I do my research, so how the fuck did she not have a clue about Max Hardcore ????????

Her entire encounter with Max was made in to such a big issue by the documentary crew, that it probably freaked her out more then it should have.
They ended the Max segment by saying something like -

" We feared for her safety and rescued her "

Journalistic bullshit !!!!!

Those of you want to see the girl in question, she's in one of the little white chicks big black monster dicks dvds under the name 'FreckleFace'.

For the record, I've shot a few amateur flicks in my time, and girls like her are all too common. They promise much but will do as little as possible.

Edited by - Hardz on 12/24/2002 2:21:58 AM

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Never forget the girls get paid to make that movie. Never forget they sign a very lenghty waver, previous to making the video, that details, every single thing that is going to happen in the video and that the girl can say NO to any part of it. Nothing that happens in the video is a surprise and every girl has full knowledge long before she agrees to make the movie.

So, keeping that in mind, and not trying to make the girls out to be children with no decision making skills, how is it always Max's fault when a girl appears to be degraded on camara? She met Max, knowing what he shoots. Agrees to shot with Max, knowing what he does. Drives 30 miles, to Max's house, to make said movie. Agrees to every aspect of the video before its shot. Agrees to her price, shoots the video, takes her money and leaves.

You lower the girls, when you say they were taken advantage of and degraded. It was their decision, they made the video and took the money. They had every right never to show up, not to perform after they did show up, or stop the shoot and leave during the shoot. If they did not, they chose not to, for the money. That makes it victimless and I assure you, they neither want nor need your concern about their performances.

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It still surprises me how people can make comments like -

"in one of the videos i have seen recently, having his kind of sex with a deaf girl, is too much,"

I have a close friend who is deaf and can assure you that deaf people are no different from you or I.

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Secondly, you clearly have boundaries which you recognise as acceptable (Rocco) and unacceptable (Max), so why not remain within those boundaries ?
Just because some people enjoy porn that is more extreme does not make it wrong because ultimately the participants are consensual adults (see Britini's post above).

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BiSexBritney sums it up purrfectly and I think she made some important observations about hardcore pornography in general, heres just one from her post as I read it several times;

'That makes it victimless and I assure you, they neither want nor need your concern about their performances.'

...I would also add that the performers who WOULD want your concern also hope that it comes with a check attached.

Boo-hoo for people who decide to work with him, sign the dotted line, and somehow think they are victims. I'm sure I could have someone piss in my mouth for money and fist my ass, but I make a conscious choice not to, and If I signed a contact agreeing to do it beforehand, the only person I could accuse of abusing me would be myself. Which is personal responsibility at its best and all the more reason why I can't demonize Max Steiner Hardcore.

In fact, posts like this make me hunt down his hard to find stuff even more...Golden Guzzlers and Fists of Fury rock!

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I'd like to check that one out. That would be just great to see Catalina get a thorough Max treatment. And the other girls don't look so bad for a Max feature either.

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She (the TV girl) worked in the US as 'Felicity', and in the UK as Leanne McQueen.

I agree with the comment that the TV program was sensationalism. There are reasons to suspect that the 'incident' with Max Hardcore was planned by the TV director. He has never explained why he had a long offscreen discussion about Max with Layla-Jade (who also appeared briefly in the program) at a time when (supposedly) it had not even been suggested that Leanne would work with him.

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When you become known for staging trainwrecks you have to continually stage bigger and bigger trainwrecks to hold your audience, after a while a plain old trainwreck becomes boring to those who are excited by trainwrecks.

This explains the trend towards more and more extreme and indeed dangerous situations, you may love ass to mouth scenes but this practice is VERY VERY dangerous and it results in more than a few very nasty diseases in this biz. But I digress.

The bigger question is where does it end and at what point does the adult industry as a whole decide that we don't want this person in the "herd" anymore.

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Britni - There is a big difference between someone telling you what is going to happen and having it actually happen. You are probably right in that they can stop the scene at any time but that doesn't make them prepared to stop it. But I digress.

My problem with Max's movies isn't with what he does in them. While it isn't my cup of tea so what. My problem with Max is Max. A lot of directors shoot things close to this but when you meet them off screen they at least tend to be respectful to women. Max on the other hand seems to actually believe women are things for him to abuse for his own amusement. That is my problem with him.

Now as to other aspects I should point out two things. Stephanie Swift says she had no problems with Max and that she knew what she was getting into going in. For her part however the aforementioned Tiffany Mynx scene is not a topic Ms Mynx cares to discuss.

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i posted at his forum and invited him here but he will not join.

he has his pros and cons. he is in the industry so i strongly support his cause whatever it is.

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- one scene with a girl who you've already seen with Max in other vids

- one really skanky girl (covered in scabs, or with horrible fake tits)

- maybe, if you're lucky, one really cute new girl.

So you are really just paying for one scene.

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Everyone needs to keep in mind that each viewer has different preferences and we're fortunate that our market has a little of something for everyone to suit our twisted tastes.

DW

Here's a question you'll never here - My girlfriend wants to watch her first porn movie. What is a good Max Hardcore title to pick up?

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However, I will not criticize Max for the way he treats women. That is his prerogative, and if you don't like it, don't watch. Bisexual Britni summed it up perfectly.

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Many studios treat girls like filthy fuck toys - if they thought they could do a face-pissing series AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND MAKE BIG BUCKS they'd do it in a heartbeat. Get real.

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What changed it for me was a documentary on uk television where he was involved. I've tried to give Max the benefit of the doubt as far as I can with the documentary and, as he has since written himself, the filmmakers certainly went out their way to portray him, and the porn business in general, in a bad light. However, not everything can be explained away this easily. The girl was taken to Maxs house on the understanding that she was just going to talk about making a scene. Max arrived later and immediately stuck his hand up her skirt and starting squeezing her tits etc. I can tell you that prior to this scene the girl had been to several other studios (can't remember them now) but all the others sat her down and asked her 'do you do anal' 'do you do a2m' etc etc and were professional behind the scenes. Max instead just kept pawing at her and then briefly fucked her from behind which she went along with but clearly didn't like this casting couch freebie approach. Anyway, so far you could still say this was all trickery by the production team. What certainly wasn't trickery was what happened after she had eventually agreed to film that very day. Half way through filming she became very upset at the throat fucking she was receiving and ran off upset in tears. Max walked off set and asked her agent/chaparone (in fact, Dick Nasty) to stay downstairs. The documentary cameraman follow Max upstairs and he starts to give the girl a pep talk that lasts at least 5 minutes (that is shown, could have been longer in total). The girl says she just wants to leave and get the plane back to England to see her daughter. Max starts asking her if she wants to be a winner or a loser and then drones on about if she wants to be a winner she should finish off the scene and that she should finish off the scene for her daughters sake and not be a loser. English people are far too cynical and unromantic for this kind of angle and so Max changes his tack. Bearing in mind the girl is still tearful and clearly very distressed he starts to verbally lay into her about what a waste of space she is and how she has ruined his day etc. It is this issue which I can't see how Max can accuse the documentary team of sexing up; this situation was clearly very intimidating for this girl, Max clearly knew it and if he couldn't sweet talk her into carrying on with the scene he was sure as hell going to try and bully her into it. Put it this way, I was sitting several thousand miles away and must be at least as big as Max (cock-wise obviously bigger) and I felt intimidated and very edgy indeed, so I can only imagine the pressure she must have felt: Vince Voyeur (see appropriate thread) is not in the same league as Max. I'm afraid at this point my recollection is slightly sketchy and I cannot remember whether she carried on filming and then the documentary team intervened and removed her from the house or whether the team removed her from the house at that point; either way they intervened soon after because they did not feel they could allow what they felt was coercion to carry on any longer.
One charge laid at the girls door was that she then went on to do some very hard scenes elsewhere (Anabolic maybe?) as if this somehow means that the Max incident must have been misrepresented. I've never really understood this anymore than someone saying that prostitutes can't have been beaten up if they carry on in their line of work (note, I'm not inferring Max physically assaulted her here!). I would accept that the girl had emotional issues and was clearly not a straight forward person herself but at the end of it all I saw what I saw on that programme and even stripping away the attitudes of the production team and allowing for some creative editing the scene upstairs at Maxs house was one of the most disturbing things I have witnessed (of its kind).

Looking back up there at BiBritnis post I agree with everything she says. The only discrepancy between her thoughts and mine (as stated here) is the point at which encouraging a girl to continue with a scene spills over into something nastier; the only discrepancy between Britnis experience and this girls is that Britni is a tough cookie who can stand up to someone like Max but not every girl is quite so confident in the same situation.

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If a girl says during a performance she doesn't want to continue she should be able to do so without being made to feel like a piece of shit.

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i seen stories of model photographers egging on young talent to do sexy pictures where the girl was new and unconferatable with taking pix, that doesnt mean Fashion photography is sick and should be banned.

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I don't think anybody said that he should be banned, just that they didn't like it or enjoy it.

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Goddamn, I still can't believe Brianna Banks did pure max 1 (as mirage.) She still hasn't achieved such brilliance on-screen since. My only complaint for max is that I would REALLY like to see him do a Point of View series. And enough with that damn yellow couch!

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Your fashion photography analogy is understandable in many ways but I like the Vince Voyeur thread several divisions lower down the scale.

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When I began training in the martial arts some years ago, it was in a controlled dojo environment and I spent around a year doing forms and controlled sparing.
I thought I was a double hard bastard at the time so I decided to try full contact in the ring.
The moment I got kneed and elbowed in the face and head
is the moment the true nature of combat sports dawned on me.
This is much like how the girl in that interview must have felt.
You either got it or you ain't (and she ain't)!

Max Hardcore is a God amongst men !

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