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m02499
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12/04
Posted - Dec 17 2004 : 1:59PM
This may have been asked many times, but I am a newbie, I always wondered if the girls (at least some) in the Max movies are actually as distressed as they look or is it just an act to appeal to the fans that like Max type movies? If it is real, didn't these girls have some idea of the type of stuff that Max typically does?
Pocketcomb_Pimp
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7/03
Posted - Dec 17 2004 : 6:31PM
I have talked to Max a couple of times, and I can tell you that he hates to be misquoted, or spoken for.

I will tell you that he makes the women aware of what his work cosist of. He shows them stills, if not video clips.

I'd further speculate that there may be some distress. Most of his girls are young, and have never done anal, watersports and a variety of other acts in his movies.

Either way, in most cases it takes a certain fan to enjoy his titles completely.

Sir Noel Plum
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1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Dec 17 2004 : 6:53PM
I believe some of them are distressed. My take on Max is that he is great when the girl is doing as he wishes but if at any point she realises she has bitten off more than she can chew he gets a bit heavy (not suggesting physically, he just starts to make the atmosphere very intense and uncomfortable) in a bid to pressure her into going further.

SNP.

rjk13
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peace, love and revolution
321 Posts
10/02
Posted - Dec 17 2004 : 7:56PM
Max's MO for many years now is to present the image of a distressed, brainless, brutalized fuckhole ragdoll. He believes there is an audience for such joyless sex, and I guess there is, judging by his staying power and the legendary Max mansion.

clever
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39 Posts
9/03
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 1:39AM
Isn't there a documentary on Max Hardcore which shows a lot of the behind the scenes stuff like this? Heard there is one woman on there who had absolutely no idea what she was getting into.

What is the "Max Mansion?" Does he shoot films there?

 
Endless Loop
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8/04
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 4:13AM
I remember when I couldn't get enough of his "Anal Visions", or "Adventures of" series, and always felt that work was ahead of it's time.
Even the embarrassingly repetitive formats, where it seemed the only things that changed, were the models he deflowered, didn't really matter, the formula was my perfect porn cocktail.
The "happen upon a slut" scenarios (despite the cornball dialog), the contortionist pretzel plungings, he bent the girls into, that opened gaping holes in the snuggest of newfound maidens, made for classic cam angles and close-ups.
I never would have tired of those "stove pipe" piledrivers he often finished with, had he not of dropped off the rader, and into seclusion.

It would be interesting to learn what happened, because when he resurfaced, his work was never the same.
Now, twisted out of any sensible proportion,
I barely glance at the covers these days.

Edited by - Endless Loop on 12/18/2004 4:29:41 AM

Bawdy
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149 Posts
1/04
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 7:27AM
Whereabouts is the Max Mansion anyway (the area, not the address), looks to be near a large nature reserve near LA I assume.

Bawdy.

rjk13
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peace, love and revolution
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10/02
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 7:39AM
I was wondering about the status of Max's legal problems. Doesn't he have another trial coming up?
Starlet
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8/04
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 7:54PM
He's just outside Pasadena, CA. (Altadena, to be exact.)
Tinaka
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8/03
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 8:28PM
There was a British documantary a few years ago called "Hardcore". Theres quite a bit of info over at the BGAFD forum if you search. It followed a girl (LeAnn McQueen i think) who was going to America to do porn. Her agent took her to Max (big mistake). Off camera he allegedly tried to force his dick down her throat, she started screaming and ran out the room. She was distraught and the camera crew had to help her "escape". Max was mad and was shouting at her.
There's a response to the documentary from Max somewhere too.
Renton405
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114 Posts
9/04
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 8:29PM
Lotsa the girls max fucks seem to look like 90 pound crackwhores doped up in school pigtails too naive to know whats really happening and are easily mislead...Im sure the only reason the girls go through this torment is for the $$$, which mostly goes to drugs...its sad women dont value their dignity anymore

Tinaka
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953 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 8:30PM
eduardo911
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1299 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 8:54PM
Anastasia Blue, Catalina, Michaela Adkins, Stephanie Swift etc crackwhores?
Renton405
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114 Posts
9/04
Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 9:05PM
Nah, I was talking about alot of the new amatuers he was with...
croy
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Posted - Dec 18 2004 : 10:09PM
Lots of doesn't mean all. And Catalina, yes.
 
Solid
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180 Posts
5/04
Posted - Dec 19 2004 : 12:49PM
Max did Vicca in Max 8 The Fugitive,obviously she's no one's idea of a crackwhore.
lukemason
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697 Posts
8/04
Posted - Dec 19 2004 : 2:16PM
Maxx is one of the most sickest most vile people in real life and in the biz it's not a act at all !

he duz truly hate women and will stop at nothing
( Because Of his Small Dick inferiority Issue )
to degrade women for as long as he can get away with
it !

Sad Fact But True Weather you want to believe it or not !

stefank60
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Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 11:33AM
Really ? FACT - you can verify this how/where ?

Not that I'm defending the guy - despite the fact I do like some of his work (guess I have a dark side) I do suspect he's a pretty unpleasant human being - but I think if we claim something is FACT we need to be careful and be able to demonstarte that it is indeed fact.

Solid
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180 Posts
5/04
Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 11:40AM
the documentary mentioned in the posts above prove how foul he really is.
Haze
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7/04
Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 12:13PM
Not long ago maybe a month or so ago Brianna Banks AKA Mirage was on Howard Stern to play some porn star game and she talked about Max HArdcore and how he did her makeup and made her do an anal scene for like eight hours and treated her like a little girl. She said she took a hiatus from porn after that but then returned as Brianna Banks because she needed the money. I think Max Hardcore is a sick sick fuck.
eyeman
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Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 3:11PM
The type of stuff he produces is truly trash, and an unfortunate representation of porn. What bothers me even more than the fact that he produces this stuff is that there is so much demand for it. Why people get off on watching someone degrade and humiliate a woman is beyond me.

Tinaka, thanks for the link. An interesting read indeed.

Watcher
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87 Posts
5/04
Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 4:28PM
What I find weird is that many of the girls return and do many MAX movies.

If they were hurt or really did not like being in a MAX Hardcore movie why do so many return and do multiple movies with him? Offhand I can think of Chloe, Catalina, and China Doll to name a few. Does he pay them extremely well?

I used to like some of Max's work before the ridiculous smearing of makeup all over the girl's faces. I just don't find his stuff erotic anymore.

Gapelover
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10/03
Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 6:16PM
Most of Max movies is extreme fake Hardcore !
nietzsche
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Posted - Dec 24 2004 : 7:55PM
Max est Dieu! I'd hate to think of what this country would be like without Max.
Michael Saint
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Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 3:14AM
When Max first started I remember I liked him for the clip he put in his movies explaining that what you see is not real that they are all tested professional's and you should NOT try this at home.

That being said I have heard different things from different people about him. Stephanie Swift said she had no regrets from her scene with him in that she knew exactly what she was getting into when she agreed to it. The other was from another industry vetern who unlike Stephanie was always known for her over the top antics and anal. She refused to even talk about her Max scene.

Edited by - lee_carver on 12/26/2004 2:32:48 AM

 
croy
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3/04
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 4:53AM
Tiffany Mynx's first scene was with Max Hardcore. This was early on when he started his own line. Supposedly she almost left the industry after that.

I would have to agree with lukemason here. While I liked his early stuff, as time went on, his personal animosity seemed to grow. From what I have heard about him from people who have met him, this is no act.

Skeeter Kerkove
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967 Posts
2/03
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 12:46PM
I have known Max since the year 2000. I have been to his home many times. We have always gotten along great. When Max first started, he was just ahead of his time as far as hardcore goes, it took a while for everybody to catch up!
If a girl is not into what Max is doing, she can quit at any time and leave. Nobody has to stay and do the scene.
I have seen Max do alot of scenes, I am telling you, the camera is always rolling, if the girl wants to split, she can!
Max, God Bless his blackend heart, lives life completely on his own terms. He films what he enjoys, like it or not, Max has a really big fan base. That big fan base might not be on this board, however it is out there. Max sells lots of DVD's and does fantastic on the internet.
Max even sent Bridgette and I a really awesome coffee machine for Christmas! I was really impressed.
Some sets are brutal! Bridgette did over 300 features. Some of those sets were just awful! Freezing cold, really dirty conditions, total lack of food, being kept on a set for over 20 hours, while receiving no additional pay.
One time she was on a set for 22 hours, then her sex scene began, outdoors on 38 degree weather, that went on for 2 hours. Not one penny extra pay. The good quality Gonzo sets are the best! Sometimes I get girls in and out within 2 and a half hours. I keep the bathrooms spotless, I have a ton of good food and drinks at all times and I constantly compliment the wonderful performers! The performers rule all! Thats what it is all about!
Max, is original! He copies nobody, although he is often copied!
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Happy Holidays to the anal queens. Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn and I love
M.B.
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2/01
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 4:02PM
I've never been into Max's movies at all.
Not because of the "rough" or "teen girl" action depicted, but because I don't particularly enjoy watching an old wrinkled fart with a tiny dick fuck girls. I know it's about the girls, but I want to see hot chicks getting impaled by huge cocks, or even decent sized cocks that aren't 80 years old.
There's just something real creepy about a Max movie.
With the rest of porn you could somehow, someway see how some of the guys could actually fuck these girls in real life. But with Max's movies that's just not possible, the guy comes across as such a creepy dude, I just can't see any young nubile girl actually wanting to be with the guy.

Edited by - M.B. on 12/25/2004 4:04:43 PM

Solid
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5/04
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 4:38PM
a poster here said he once saw a scene where after Max had just finished mauling a girl,he looked directly into the camera and said,"I know I'm going to hell,but I'm going to take a lot of people with me."The guy's a fucking psycho.
Tinaka
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8/03
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 5:23PM
Sir Noel Plum
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1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 7:30PM
Skeeter,
I think you're a really great bloke and although you film pretty hard sex I think I've seen more than enough to know that you are totally unlike Mr Steiner here. That said, and friend of yours he may be, we all defend friends who don't really justify our defence. Just like I've seen enough of you to know that at the end of it all you are a good bloke I've seen enough of Max to know he is a coersive wanker - the girls are free to go but only after they've been put under more pressure than many tough guys could bear, never mind girls a third their size.

I have a real problem with Max. There is a part of me that, were I to ever meet him, says that I'm bigger and stronger and that the right course of action is to fuck his face right across the street: nobody knows who I am, i'd be out the country and back home and no-one would be any the wiser. The other part of me occasionally watches his stuff and even finds itself apologising on his behalf. The conundrum: maybe there is a part of Max in me - maybe the very reason I want to break his nose is because I see in him a part of me that I wish to suppress, a part of me that wants to dominate and subjugate and maybe even hurt.

It's actually a shame Max doesn't post on here. I'm serious. I'd like to hear him articulate what he does _ I might not agree with him but I'd like to hear his point of view in any case.

Just to sidetrack a little more Skeeter, you know I used to stick up for Max. I am a fireman and used to bring his films onto the station (things are too PC nowadays LOL). I always maintained that however he acted in front of the camera once the action stopped he would be professional and respect the genuine limits of distress people have (as I have seen others do, notably Brandon Iron, who can get very rough at times (remember Slap Happy?) but is always straight once the cameras cut). This was shattered once I saw him behind the scenes for the first time on the documentary broadcast in the UK. I swear to you Skeeter, if Max has set foot on my fire station the day after that programme was broadcast he would have been lucky to walk away with his life - I have not met a single guy at work who watched that broadcast who was not disgusted and distressed with what they saw. I'll leave it at that.

take care,
SNP.

Sir Noel Plum
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1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Dec 25 2004 : 7:47PM
Just to reiterate what i said in my first post, I believe Max is great when things are going as he plans (who isn't, even Stalin was okay when things were good) but when a girl does not fulfil the role he had quite hoped for that is when the manipulative intimidationg Max comes out to 'play'.

To (mis)quote Her Majesty the Queen 'Fuck Him, and all who sail in Him' .

SNP.

AlexPanzer
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6/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 2:25AM
To tell the truth I enjoy Max's movies, althou I only own 1 of his DVDs. Whenever I visit Sweetmembers I occasionaly check out Max Hardcore's section. Whenever I watch his movies I like to see the begining couple of times to get into the action, this way I know whats going on. I really like when he switches from Mr.NiceGuy(intro) to a grudge-fucking maniac(body). Then at the end of the scene I ask myself "why did I just do it?".
sobegirl
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11/04
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 9:10AM
A person that needs this kind of video to get off shold seek help.
AlexPanzer
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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 10:38AM
Another reason why I like Max's stuff is because of that thing when the makeup just ooooooozzzzzzeeeeeeeeessssss down.
 
Renee
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8/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 10:56AM
Your wish has come true! Way back last March, Mr. Hardcore himself graced us with his presence here on ADT, in this thread, where he articulated his philosophy , if that's what you want to call it.

In the second post from this esteemed pornographer, he responded to some of his detractors with this gem of a statement: " I say again, you weren't here (on my set), and you have no idea what was going on. It's very easy to write this or that, (unless you've got the intellect of say a TonyT)…"

Unbelievably, MH and I agree on something (and it's absolutely the only thing) – that Tony T cannot write anything that is remotely comprehensible, no matter what.

Were you friends at work disgusted by the way one of the women was treated by Max, or disgusted because the woman was British?
Sir Noel Plum
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1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 2:05PM
Thanks for the link Renee. With regard to this last comment i don't know what you mean. The guys at the station were disgusted with the pressure that was brought to bear on her to to carry on filming a scene that was causing her very genuine distress. What has her antionality to do with it? You tell me.

SNP.

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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 3:26PM
because I know some people won't click thru - this is an excerpt from Tinaka's link:
Perhaps there is some bias on the part of the film's director or the reviewer, but it sure sounds like the guy is the scum of the earth.
Tinaka
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8/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 3:37PM
Here are the responses from Max Hardcore and the documentary makers that i mentioned in my first post.

Edited by - Tinaka on 12/26/2004 3:39:21 PM

Tinaka
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953 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 3:44PM
I do however find it hard to believe that this girl (she seems to be an anti-porn campaigner's dream come true) is the same girl i saw in Ben Dover's Booty Bandit because she seemed to very happy in that scene and did a seemingly unplanned DPP.

Edited by - Tinaka on 12/26/2004 3:47:51 PM

lukemason
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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 9:17PM
Finley We agree on something LOL
skronker
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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 9:33PM
I used to watch Max videos back when he was a new entity, but have lost interest over the years. He is not, for me, an appealing performer, and usually the women he chooses or who choose him do not appeal to me, either. The "schoolgirl skank" archetype, while a powerful source of fantasy, translates into increasingly non-sexual sex in Max's hands, and if it's that kind of rough, trash-mouthing stuff you wanna see, I think there's plenty of folks who offer a better version of it.

(My favorite example: Steve Holmes and Roxy Heart (Lily French) in Jake Malone's "Slave Dolls")

Just my opinion. Perhaps in Max's defense, or perhaps not at all, he is the kind of character custom-made for the mainstream media to latch onto when it needs a "villain" for its shocking exposes. Rob Black is a tad passe, 'cos now he's a persecuted "enemy of the state," and Khan Tusion is still a tad too underground, so Max is just what central casting ordered.

There are performers for whom a date with Max is a role-playing romp, I'm sure. But it's interesting when these occasional controversies erupt on one of his sets. I think it all plays into his image, which he needs to keep a little edgy to maintain relevance at the hard edge of the market.

Edited by - skronker on 12/26/2004 9:36:17 PM

licker
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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 9:59PM
Hmmmmm - this is beginning to smell like a typical journalist's ambush tactic. The information in that link appears to imply a conspiracy between the documentary makers and the agent to manufacture a controversial scene for the documentary.

I certainly don't believe for one moment the documentary company's assertion that everything they shot was included unedited in the final broadcast. No documentary is ever made that way.

I have never seen one of Max's movies, and I probably never will, since I'm pretty sure his style is not for me. That said, I am left wondering if perhaps there were TWO victims in this affair, Max being one of them.

imak
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3345 Posts
2/04
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 12:27AM
I was trying to stay out of this but *Woot * 90 pounds!!

ok i just cant not say more, I know Max personally and I have worked with him 2x. He goes through an exhaustive explanation of what's going to happen and I always knew I could leave, I worked hard but was done within 2 hours both times. I walked out of there cash in hand uninjurednot so much as a bruise (i have bruises in like 50% of my damn movies)but wet :)

I don't think it's fair for people who have never set foot on any set to state they factually know something about a person they have never met. I took one of the worst beating on a new sensations set and you can bet your sweet ass none of it will be in the movie, it was 100% consensual and I loved it, that's not my point my point is a lot goes on and neither of my max scenes is even in my top 10 roughest scenes.

Max even sent me 20 free dvd copies to sell when I dance, just to be nice. Hope I'm not ruining his bad guy image that he likes ;)

but honestly if I have learned one thing it's that a lot of guys get off on girls who need rescued, so they like to think they do.

Edited by - kami on 12/27/2004 12:37:36 AM

licker
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Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 2:26AM
clever
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39 Posts
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Posted - Dec 31 2004 : 11:00PM
Max says, "I'm gonna go to jail if I have to, but I make movies because I must."

But didn't he turn some people in to keep from going to court over obscenity charges?

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Posted - Dec 31 2004 : 11:29PM
An enlightening thread! I wish my online rental site (Bush DVD) would rent Max but they refuse to touch his stuff. Maybe some day.

Of course, I've seen a few Max titles over the years, kind of a turn off at some points, but also an "oh, this is pretty hot or interesting" reaction too.

m02499
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331 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 31 2004 : 11:47PM
I have to say that looking at some of the porn nowadays Max's stuff is not that extreme anymore. Anal sex, throat gagging, etc. is common in most gonzo porn films. Also, Max is not exactly packing like a Mandingo when he performs these acts on the girls. The extreme stuff, pissing and vomiting, is more freakish than anything else and is certainly not new if you have seen European or Japanese porn.
matrixman
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148 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 9:25PM
I liked the old max stuff and am turned off by his new stuff and I am pretty open minded.

I have asked several times when he is going to release his old stuff like Adventures, older Max Worlds, and the great Hitchhiker series. But I have never heard any intrest from him in releasing these on DVD.

Skeeter -
maybe you can talk him into releasing these on DVD. I am sure these would be a hit as many here that are not into Max now, also comment like me how they did like his old stuff.




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