Thats for the legal rights of the content. Giving consent to shoot sex on video with rights going to the producer has nothing to do with the content of the scene. Edited by - BryanGozzling on 12/16/2017 10:46:05 PM
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Posted - Dec 17 2017 : 12:04AM
Why do you post on porn forum if you think all performers are miserable doing sex acts that you personally don't like? I tell ya, I wish the entire world's women had identical sexual interests to me and hated the same things I hate :)
Roxy Jezel suprises me. I've seen her get chocked unconscious in a gangbang before. Seems like a pretty tough girl. I can only imagine how bad it must have been then.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 19 2017 : 4:55AM
Exactly, Roxy is experienced in rough sex so she could hardly be accused of not knowing the difference. She posted about his abuse of their agreed upon limits on Myspace, It has been linked to before on ADT but the original link is dead as you can imagine. Here is the post for future reference: Quote: hi my name is roxy jezel, and i once did a scene with max hardcore, who is an evil, manipulitive paedophile. To answer some of your questions, i totally believe that felicity was brought to max, despite not even doing anal. Because my scene with him was just a blow job, and a memory i wish to never remember.I dont like dick nasty, he is an old pervert, who tries to fuck you even when the camera isnt rolling, total sleaze. what you saw on that documentary was all real and true!!!! that is what he is like, he is so nice to you and as soon as the camera rolls he turns into a evil, misoginistic bastard. He held me in that max position on the sofa, and i was kicking and buckingf to get him off me, and he held my arms down so i couldnt get free. i was covered in my own salavia and bile, and couldnt open my eyes, i was in shock, and scared, and then he pissed on me, that was never agreed upon, i think thats so gross. The reason he has so many new comers, on his movies is beause they dont know any better, i didnt know, who he is, or what his movies entail. They havent done enough scenes to know they never have to work for him, and if you have a crappy agent like dick nasty, who only gets you the lowest of low, type work, you are innocent and naive when you enter the industry. But most girls dont want to admit this espechailly when something this tramatic happens to us, we just carry on, and learn. But some girls, they experience him as an intro into the business and are traumatised and never do it again. they arent just prostitutes from the street. not that i think anyway. After he gets you to do a disclaimer on video saying that you agreed to do this, and you are so in shock, and dont want to process what just really took place, you are filled with shame that you let this happen, that you just say what he tells you too. I cried for 2 days after what he did, i felt so stupid and disgusting, he knew he did wrong, he told me it would be a simple easy blowjob scene, he exact words, that wasnt an ordinary scene. My agent derek from Direct models called him and shgouted at him, and he paid me $1000 extra to say sorry, he knew he was wrong. Now4 years later im a contract girl for clubjenna and i would tell any girl entering the industry to nver work for him, and to get a good agent, not dick nasty.
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Posted - Dec 21 2017 : 1:35AM
And now that you all have "gone there" isn't the kink.com stuff, especially with James Deen, further out there than Max ever was albeit with the before and after "consenting" interviews etc.?
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Posted - Dec 21 2017 : 3:11AM
^No, Kink never tried to destroy their minds and emotions like Max did........ pushing someone physically is much different than a sicked fucked up methodology designed to break a person into pieces and turn them into sexually abused 12 year olds who feel worthless.
I don't about all that. Kink has had their fair share of complaints. I'm not sure how credible the aligarions are, but they have been accused of not respecting peoples boundries, and so has James Deen. I know Jessie Rogers a spoken on Kink not reapecting boundries. I can't tell you how credible she is, but she's talked about it. I believe the scene with James Deen on the wood floor was the main one she was upset about and I think she she had complaints about her gangbang scene with them as well. Her gangbang with Kink is one of the roughest I've seen. She gets chocked, chock slamed, picked up by her hair, dragged by her hair, etc. not saying people can't enjoy that, but it definitely looks brutal AF. I can also understand how a girl might be intimidated in that type of situation. A young girl surrounded by a bunch of grown men who are manhandling her. I can imagine why somebody would just shut the fuck up and get through the scene even if they feel like they're getting abused, in that type of situation. On the other hand, I think some of the girls need to be a lot more diligent in their research before agreeing in do scenes like that. If you're lazy about researching what you're getting into and just show up to porn sets thinking everybody has yoir best interest in mind, well, you kind of deserve what ever you get at that point. You gotta be more responsible than that. While it doesn't justify stepping over the girls boundries, they should bare some responsibility for getting themselves into that situation.
^ When you do rough sex you're eventually going to have complaints by a female performer and or performers who didn't have a good experience - it's inevitable. Edited by - moebius22 on 12/21/2017 11:46:44 AM
No they shouldn't, once the girl says "no, this isn't what I thought I'd signed up for", the scene should stop. No one "deserves whatever they get" because they thought the producer would treat them with care and respect. That's how everyone should expect to be treated. Clearly the girl involved should do some research if they're working for the likes of Kink who's stuff is more extreme and should be expecting a level of BDSM. It should also be explained before the scene starts what is going to happen and what she agrees to. Even then though, if the scene starts and the girl can't handle it, it should stop. Anyway, we're talking about Max Hardcore so not sure why James Deen and Kink were brought into this. Whether or not other people are irresponsible as well, it doesn't change how Max acted. Also doesn't change the fact that I have gotten off to his stuff even knowing how he treated people. I won't get into this weird new strap on stuff though.
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Posted - Dec 22 2017 : 9:27AM
Are there any scenes on Kink where people vomit on each other and into each others mouths, or push the anal wall out of the vagina? I don't know if some realize how niche and grotesque Max's material became as his audience declined he seems to have pushed further into niche fetishes to remain solvent. But I think the main issue with Max is the accusations of non-consenual breaking of agreed limits in a scene not the acts per se. There have always been BDS&M porn material, including ageplay and pretend rape. And Max often did sometimes include brief interviews with performers where they 'confirmed' the scene was consensual.
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Posted - Dec 22 2017 : 9:36AM
I think you may be confusing what she said, as I recall the alleged assault by a unnamed 'veteran male performer' was off set not at Kink.
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Posted - Dec 22 2017 : 2:27PM
I have a hard time believing that no one knew what they were getting into with Max. Kind of like showing up at a Facial Abuse and not knowing you're going to get slapped (assuming they do that).
No idea, let's just hope (for him) that he did not get some pedophile reputation while he was in the slammer, they are on the lowest rung in there from what I read. About rough stuff and this is my personal perception: I consider Max to be more harmless than some of the recent stuff that Kink and others are doing. Yes, he's a dirty old man and a pervert and having him piss on you is probably a 9000 on the 1-10 scale of ickiness. Yet he's an older guy with a mediocre package, physically not intimidating and he does not seem to have enough fire in his hips to do any real damage, even if he wanted to. Getting held down a bit while he tries to throat fuck you is nasty, but it certainly does not appear to be as rough as having several huge guys do a multi-penetration of every orifice. Stuff like the hardcore gangbangs by those other sites is unwatchable for me, especially the fake rape scenes and the treatment of the girls. All the slapping, choking, spitting, double-anal and so on really rubs me the wrong way (especially since it's filmed in a way to make it appear as unpleasant and involuntary as possible for the female lead) and although it's a scene that all sides (hopefully) agreed upon, I cannot imagine that this is a pleasurable way for those girls to earn their money. Can't we have some the good scenes back, like in the late 90ies early 2000s. Wild, but not rough, sex - without that degrading shit and with strong female leads who are actually active instead of behaving like half-dead puppets who hope that it's over soon and with male talent behaving like studs and not like rapists ???
The point about Max Hardcore is that while some of the women knew what they were in for and one or two seem to have relished it, there were quite a few who were coerced and abused on set, and that is utterly unacceptable and the main reason he became beyond the pale. That is clearly not the case with Bryan Gozzling's stuff. The women are dressed and styled to look cute, but to attach any sinister reasons for that seems to me absurd.
James Deen is almost as bad as Max is with the stuff he was doing. Max was pretty extreme and I remember Briana Banks doing scenes with him and he was punishig women. It became too gross to look at so, I left and next thing I know Florida got him. So, if he is back he better behave.
I've read this thread from the beginning and I have to agree with most of what Moebius22 has said. I think many on here are simply deluding themselves. Including Bryan Gozling. Max did his scenes in a different era, and he went to JAIL for it. Was there Behind the Scenes back then? Now, we've got Bryan doing very very very similar acts and making sure to COVER HIS ASS on video and everywhere, because he knows he is pushing things (but not as much as Max did 20 years ago) and he doesn't want to go to jail. But let's get real. 1. Bryan says he gets the close from Forever 21. Great. And that style there is similar to what Max was dressing his girls in. But 20 years ago that style was even younger. Today it's not. Girls tastes have changed, but if you look at the effect, you get similar results in the dress. 2. The sex is NOT romantic. They spit, piss, and their makeup is heavy, and then it gets MESSED UP. There is no stopping to clean themselves up. It's rough by comparison to all other porn out there besides Kink.com 3. Kink.com is relevant because they too push boundaries. Now, if Bryan comes back here and claims that he is fully 100% consensual with everything he does. GREAT. I believe him, but don't forget, he is still giving the appearance of something slightly different. There is NOBODY making scenes like Bryan is making today. But everywhere that discusses HUHS there are comparisons to Max Hardcore. Why? If they are "totally different in every way" then why do SO MANY people obviously make the comparisons? Why not with ANY OTHER director? Jules Jordan used to dress up his models in "younger" style clothing. He also uses mild bondage accessories. But yet, not ONCE is he mentioned with Max. Why? My opinion is that they are both very similar, but it's 20 years later, and Bryan has the benefit of history. Girls today are more aware of all the different styles of porn out there, have better managers who make them better aware of the type of scene they are going to shoot, and the pay is better. So their expectations are closer to what is actually happening. A girl is made aware that she is going to get piss in her mouth. Or her spit is going to be collected in a bowl. Lastly, I've watch 100s of Max scenes and I can't remember ONE where a girl says she is 12 years old. Regardless, that is meaningless as long as the girl is 18+ . She can dress like a newborn baby and it's FANTASY. It's all fantasy. So what are the viewers of HUHS fantasizing about?
Gotta be honest. I don't think my stuff comes anywhere even CLOSE to Kink.com and a lot of other rough porn sites. It's really obvious if you actually watch a full-length scene. I never strike the girl except for light spanking.I don't choke them out or do anything that simulates violence. It's just really intense, messy sex. That's all.
^I completely agree with you. Your stuff is not remotely the same as Kink. Kink tends to concentrate on sex between women of sex between men and women with an emphasis on a lighter version of BSDM while your stuff is pure Max Hardcore 2.0 where it's one-on-one b/g with an emphasis on age play, extreme deep throat, water play, anal, vomit and piss play.
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Posted - Feb 27 2018 : 2:22PM
People who think Gozzling is the same as Max's old stuff are looking through a heavy bias. There is a huge difference. Bryan presents a scene which is a young horny girl of legal age meeting a guy on the internet and being fucked, a bit rough and messy, and the girl feels great at the end. (I assure you, and Bryan would be able to understand this, what he does is very much on the middle how rough you can be in the type of scenario that can involve choking and spitting and throat fucking. There are also women who enjoy that and more than you think, and not just ones being paid to do it.). Max presented scenes where he wanted to present the girl as looking under age, he makes them feel as horrible as possible about themselves and their lives, and the end of the scene they are ready to be thrown in a dumpster or at least feel like they should be thrown in one. His goal was to leave them feeling as worthless and meaningless as possible,and that was just not porn storyline, he lived that with his performers. There is a difference and there is context. People who compare the two as being similar are looking at sex acts and not the context and the results of how the woman is after the scene. Max also treated the girls horribly off camera and pushed them beyond what they expected. Kink.com is completely different and has done many scenes where they push the girls physically far beyond anything Brian does. Again, its context and not really comparable. he is not whipping girls and leaving them red and bruised and so forth. He is not doing BDSM type of work, he is doing rough sex, and it is different.
If you've never heard girls pretend to be 12 years old (or younger) in a Max scene then you're probably watching more recent edits of those scenes where something is dubbed over it or the sound just goes for a second. It was commonplace in his work but those scenes in that form are not available anymore. Even scenes with the puking and pissing left in don't leave the ageplay stuff in. Bryan Gozzling is not totally different in every way, that would be untrue to say. There is clearly an influence there in the look of the girls and some of the sex acts performed. I would say though that, although there is pissing in a small percentage of his scenes, it's not prolonged nor is it repeated throughout the scene. Similarly, whilst there is puking, it's nowhere near as extreme or graphic (usually just water) and not as prolonged or in the same volume. Most scenes have no pissing or puking and most aren't even anal. There is no paedo talk in the scenes either in terms of the performer herself pretending to be an underage rape victim or her discussing bringing over her little 7 year old sister to be raped next time. There's also very little slapping, if any, and no verbal abuse of the girl like Max used to do. Also, even without the benefit of BTS, it's very clear that there is consent in these scenes and in most scenes it's obvious that the girl is into it and enjoying herself. That was the case in some Max Hardcore scenes as well but in others, you saw girls in tears begging to stop the scene and, when Max just carried on, they looked traumatised, just like zombies, dead behind the eyes and trying to survive their ordeal. So basically the girls look a bit like Max girls and occasionally do very toned down versions of the same sex acts but the whole tone and feel of the scene is very different. The premise is young legal age girls into rough sex who meet Bryan online and hookup with him to be dominated sexually. As opposed to Max's premise which was grabbing pre-teen girls who've wandered off from their parents and then raping them and abusing them verbally and physically.
I don't want to do a back and forth on this so this will be my only post on the subject and that's why I'm going to give you enough examples to support my claim. 1-Anastasia Knight 18 year old but is dressed like a 14 years old with pigtails 2-Amara Romani 24 years old dressed a bit like a teen slut and still has the pigtails. 3-Eva Yi 21 years old who is sort of dressed like a teen slut with again pigtails and the scene starts in her room that clearly screams teen girl. I could honestly keep going but they key elements that tend to be part of each scene is women that dressed a younger than their actual age, they wear hair clips that their younger selves might have worn years before and pigtails is a recurring hair style. You have to realise that the performers don't have to say that they are teenagers if the way they look on screen screams teenager. Don't get me wrong. I don't think there is anything wrong with your brand of porn but it's delusional to say that you aren't trying to make these women look younger than their actual age.
Dressing girls young is not ageplay, how many porn scenes feature girls in school uniforms? That alone is not ageplay in my opinion. Age play is when specific ages are mentioned in the scene and it is usually when one of the performers pretends to be under age even though they are clearly not. In the same way that raceplay scenes have one performer pretend to be racist and use the n word even though they are clearly not racist in real life or taboo roleplay has people pretending to be related when they are clearly not. Not sure a girls age is mentioned at all in HUHS scenes and, even if it is, they never claim to be under 18.
It's not delusional at all and that's exactly what I'm saying. American girls, who are of-age, dress like that when they go out to raves, to events, are trying to look stylish, etc. Sometimes girls will wear pigtails and skirts, sometimes they won't. Those are common styles worn by women of all-ages in 2018. All the clothes I use are for adults and bought at adult stores. In my opinion, you are suffering from your own form of delusion in which you project that these girls are "under age" when, in fact, they are 18-25 year old women depicting themselves wearing a certain style of clothes. I will gladly debate on this topic ad nauseum.
^&^^Clearly if you dress someone to look young and arrange her hair to also look young and ask her to play a sort of coy teenager than by your own admission you are using some type of age play. That said I feel kind of stupid pointing out that every single porn performer has to be of legal age to do porn and therefore they are all legally adults regardless that they are dressed like a teenager or an adult and that's why I didn't accuse anyone of shooting illegal content because all the performers are at least 18 but it's disingenuous to pretend that you aren't emulating Max Hardcore style of dressing women of a certain age to look younger(sometimes much younger) than their actual age. You notice that at no point did I bring up the fact that it's common for the women to refer to you as daddy like that's not playing with the age/incest card in your scenarios. Ultimately I don't think there is anything wrong with the type of porn you are shooting and if you are making money with it than don't change anything because you have found a formula that works for you.
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Posted - Feb 28 2018 : 11:04AM
Ah yes, 45 year old industry legend Veronica Avluv is notorious for wearing pigtails and a cheerleader outfit to the club. She also tweeted multiple times about how embarrassed and humiliated she felt after shooting this scene. If you aren't delusional then you're either really stupid or very cynical - either way, you can go kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.
Lol you're lying she never said any of that. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by shooting your love Veronica but that was a great scene and you can look at the BTS on my website to find out how she really felt about it. The premise of that scene was that she was dressing up like her daughter. I'm far from cynical my friend I am immensely grateful and happy. You should try it sometime.
A little annoyed with you Bryan that you ignore the people who help explain your position and keep feeding the trolls instead :)
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Posted - Mar 1 2018 : 2:01AM
I don't think he can.
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Posted - Mar 1 2018 : 10:08AM
Not lying, and she said all of that.
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Posted - Mar 1 2018 : 10:09AM
I can't, she deleted it pretty quickly. Sorry.
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Posted - Mar 1 2018 : 3:56PM
How convenient. We all have Veronica on twitter feeds, nobody else can remember this! She has had many emotional posts and tweets about life, love, porn, etc. But directed at working with Bryan Gozzling specifically? Not that I can recall. hell, it would have made news all over if a female performer said those things about a director and/or co-star......and even if she deleted the tweets there would have been threads about it and articles written. Come on man. PS - considering Veronica's body of work, she has done a lot of rough porn, gangbangs, prolapsing, double anal, triple anal, pissing, ass smacking, fisting, face slapping, dirty talk, and all sorts of crazy things. It is highly unlikely a Bryan Gozzling scene would be some horrible offence. Edited by - A_Fan on 3/1/2018 4:02:29 PM
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Posted - Mar 2 2018 : 9:32AM
^I'm not lying, and I'm sure other people did see it and could confirm if they cared to, but the fact that she did take it down so quickly means I probably shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place. It was something she clearly regretted putting out there and it's not my business to speculate on the reason she said it or deleted it, so I'll certainly stand down on that one.
[/quote] What "age-play" are you referring to? There's no age-play on HUHS. [/quote] Bryan. I just want to first say that I respect your work, your efforts and your contributions to Porn. I respect that you have a vision and a goal with the type of content that you put out. that being said, I find it hard to believe that you don't see the type of fantasy you're playing to. The way that you dress the girls, their hair and makeup and scene plot itself (texting on their phone to hookup for sex) is definitely for younger girls. The fact that you argue against that seems interesting to me. Let's try this, you're not a MILF site are you? No. you're not an incest site? no. You're site focuses on younger girls using a Tinder type service to hook up with an older guy who likes to give rougher sex. How is that NOT age play? Also to the other person who commented. School girl uniforms are age play . Any fantasy where an older guy is having sex with a younger girl is age play. Obviously the girls all have to be over 18. But that's besides the point. The point is what age are they PLAYING? Girls that are playing younger are doing so for a specific fantasy. Just some feedback Bryan. I enjoy your scenes because I like to see girls that I like being pushed outside the normal vanilla scenes. So Lana Rhodes, who I like, got pushed in her scene with you. Same with other girls who end up doing the same type scene with 10 website companies and they all look the same, they come to you and you get them in a different scene. I enjoy the age play genre and that is also why I like your scenes. Because the fantasy is there. I don't get why you don't see that? Lastly, I don't get why you don't see the comparisons with Max Hardcore scenes. Here is a link with two photos. One is Max with Courtney Simpson. The other is Olivia Young for your scene. They look like they picked clothes from the same closet. thoughts? Edited by - TheBigLoad on 3/2/2018 5:18:08 PM Edited by - TheBigLoad on 3/2/2018 5:19:29 PM
What "age-play" are you referring to? There's no age-play on HUHS.
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Bryan. I just want to first say that I respect your work, your efforts and your contributions to Porn. I respect that you have a vision and a goal with the type of content that you put out. that being said, I find it hard to believe that you don't see the type of fantasy you're playing to. The way that you dress the girls, their hair and makeup and scene plot itself (texting on their phone to hookup for sex) is definitely for younger girls. The fact that you argue against that seems interesting to me. Let's try this, you're not a MILF site are you? No. you're not an incest site? no. You're site focuses on younger girls using a Tinder type service to hook up with an older guy who likes to give rougher sex. How is that NOT age play? Also to the other person who commented. School girl uniforms are age play . Any fantasy where an older guy is having sex with a younger girl is age play. Obviously the girls all have to be over 18. But that's besides the point. The point is what age are they PLAYING? Girls that are playing younger are doing so for a specific fantasy. Just some feedback Bryan. I enjoy your scenes because I like to see girls that I like being pushed outside the normal vanilla scenes. So Lana Rhodes, who I like, got pushed in her scene with you. Same with other girls who end up doing the same type scene with 10 website companies and they all look the same, they come to you and you get them in a different scene. I enjoy the age play genre and that is also why I like your scenes. Because the fantasy is there. I don't get why you don't see that? Lastly, I don't get why you don't see the comparisons with Max Hardcore scenes. Here is a link with two photos. One is Max with Courtney Simpson. The other is Olivia Young for your scene. They look like they picked clothes from the same closet. thoughts? Edited by - TheBigLoad on 3/2/2018 5:18:08 PM Edited by - TheBigLoad on 3/2/2018 5:19:29 PM
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Faulty logic. Even if Bryan grants you that the two share common elements, he could still say that neither looks particularly like a minor. I'd have to agree. I've never seen a minor use high heels and ankle socks with a short blouse like that. Nor a choker, and transparent skirt. On the other hand, my wife is almost 40 and still wears a gaudy backpack like that with cords for straps. I think they're both just potraying sluts, not little girls. Edited by - a9nostic on 3/4/2018 2:13:41 AM
Guys.....This whole back and forth comparison argument between Max vs Bryan will just go on and on because neither side is completely wrong. Both sides clearly see what they want to see and just dismiss the other side of the argument because what they choose to concentrate on and feel is more important. The people who feel Bryan and Max's stuff are similar are mainly focusing on the surface and visual cues. If you look at a screen shot, scene or have them describe the action going on in random Bryan or Max scenes the action taking place and the look will have many visual similarities. Obviously, Bryan was influenced by Max in some regards. On the flip side Bryan and his defenders are arguing that Bryan's stuff is different due to context. Yes, the scenes have performances of the same acts but their argument is how they all got there is different. Consent vs tricked or forced. Girls vs teens. Enjoyment vs suffering, etc., etc...Both sides have taken a point of view that they feel is most important and is simply dismissing the opposing side because they don't think the other is as important overall. So while this whole debate I guess can be entertaining, it's a waste of time because both sides have strong arguments they will stick with because it's what's they see as the more important facts. Bryan, I watch some of your stuff depending on the girl (same as with Max) but not a total fan. But that's okay. You've found a niche in the porn world that works for you and have a sizable fanbase that likes what you have to offer and that's not an easy task these days. If you aren't breaking any laws, hurting anyone, maintaining a respectful work relationship with the girls you shoot, and make money doing all this...more power to you and be proud. But you aren't going to be able to stop making others see/think what they want to about your work.
I agree in that the contextual difference are there in consent vs. tricked forced but that is also a product of TIME. Max simply has been around longer and was prosecuted and jailed because judges and attorneys didn't understand context. They didn't understand acting and pretending and role playing. I don't think Max would go to jail today. Do You? Visually being similar is a BIG thing to most porn viewers. it's about the visuals. Context plays a role to those that view porn with the sound on. What % of views do so? I'd like to see a poll....
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