Max Hardcore is a god to pariahs

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ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 2:32AM Sure he does things that offend the masses but this isn't why he is a god. He maximizes what little physical attributes(i.e. smaller dick size than is average in porn) he has and is (relatively) extremely successful at the profession he choose for himself. Not to mention his ability to spit in the face of his critics, law enforcement, moralists, etc. and get away with it so far with no major consequences. If some others tried what he has already "accomplished" in his porn career they probably would have already ended up killed by a psycho boyfriend of one of the girls Max has degraded or be rotting away in some jail cell due to conservative law enforcement locking him up on charges of obsenity. Either the stars are shinning down on Max Hardcore or he is extremely good at what he does. Either way this makes him a god. Not to mention all the hot sex he has had with hundreds maybe thousands of fine women. If law enforcement or an angry boyfriend does eventually catch up with Max Hardcore he will still have lived a far more charmed life than any one of us "normal" folk can ever hope to imagine. Edited by - ChinoCochino on Aug 11 2004 [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 2:40AM His 'charmed' life doesn't seem to have done him much good in any way that matters to me. I don't envy Max Hardcore one little bit, and considering that he paid to have sex with all those women I find it odd that you do. [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 2:46AM Hardware wrote: His 'charmed' life doesn't seem to have done him much good in any way that matters to me. I don't envy Max Hardcore one little bit, and considering that he paid to have sex with all those women I find it odd that you do. Click to expand You seem to be missing my point. It isn't that you have to "envy" what he has accompished or like what he does. i.e. An gay man will not be envious that Max has slept with so many fine women because they don't find woman sexually arousing. A heterosexual man will not be envious of a gay stud who has had sex with thousands of hot gay men. The point is he uses what little physical abilities /attributes he has and was able to make the best out of it and be successful in what he loves to do. Plus he has an awful reputation in the porn world and yet he is still able to continue and be successful in his chosen profession without suffering any major consequences resulting from his actions. Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/11/2004 2:58:27 AM [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 3:12AM Hardware wrote: considering that he paid to have sex with all those women I find it odd that you do. Click to expand If the women in question were hot(according to my standards) and or good at sex then yes I would be envious. If you are a car enthusiast(but for whatever reasons can't buy the car you wish, i.e. family obligations,saving for a house, etc) and you see a guy driving around in the car you so wanted would it really matter if the guy paid for it or got it for free as a gift? Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/11/2004 4:07:47 AM [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 3:35AM As a side note, the most of the fine women have been early on, before he got the bad reputation. By my standards anyway. Early is when he did scenes with Marissa Malibu, Tiffany Mynx, Fransesca Le, Roxanne Hall, Chandra Sweet, Brittany O'Connel, etc. I'm sure you can name some attractive women since then. By and large, since his early days, they women in his films have been on the less viewable side, IMHO. [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 3:35AM Max Hardcore set the example for a lot of directors back in the early 90's. In my opinion he was the first director that really shot over the edge hardcore scenes with a lot of gapes. A lot of people might hate his guts but they can't deny what he has done for the adult-industry. In my opinion he and Buttman changed the adult industry like the way porn should be shot. [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 4:02AM croy wrote: As a side note, the most of the fine women have been early on, before he got the bad reputation. By my standards anyway. Early is when he did scenes with Marissa Malibu, Tiffany Mynx, Fransesca Le, Roxanne Hall, Chandra Sweet, Brittany O'Connel, etc. I'm sure you can name some attractive women since then. By and large, since his early days, they women in his films have been on the less viewable side, IMHO. Click to expand Maybe by your standards the quality of girls has gone way down. I think though you mean the ratio of "hot quality" women versus "dogs" has gone down. (i.e. in the good old Max Hardcore days there were 3 hot women for every 1 dog, in recent films the new ratio is like 2 hot women for every dog) I agree there has been an increase in the number "dogs" in Max's recent videos. i.e. Good: 1) Chiquita Lopez 2) Catalina 3) Vanessa Rubec 4) Mya Mason 5) Sativa 6) Lain 7) Taylor Rain 8) Queeny Love 9) Jade Marcella 10) Trixie Kelly Bad: 1) Summer Luv 2) Madison 3) Valerie Jo 4) Savanah Rain [Link]
David-J Member 155 Posts 8/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 4:34AM My problem with Max is the amount of repetition in the vids he makes. Over a 6 month period he makes maybe 4 vids with only 7 or 8 different girls, in different combinations, so there is always some overlap between different titles. So if you want to see him with a cute new girl, you have to pay to see a girl (or two) you've already seen get the Max treatment. But BTW, nearly all the girls do shoot more than one scene with him, so I take some of the girls' complaints about his behavior with a pinch of salt. If they didn't like his 'methods' why do they come back for more? [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 6:46AM I agree he pioneered a new world of porn, but I can't stand watching the guy and the verbal abuse schtick has no bounce. Plus, honestly, I can't think of many girls he casts now that aren't total skanks. Again, I get the appeal to some viewers, and I have certainly seen some of his more recent scenes, but it's so not happening. Throw on some old-school Max, and I'll watch -- but he's onto stuff now that I can't even fathom. (Maybe if you had better looking guys with better looking girls, it would work -- skip the puking, etc. -- but he's close to a total write-off as far as I'm concerned. And I'm a big fan of lines like "Throat Gaggers"). [Link]
DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 8:36AM I can't quite go with the 'god' part. Pariah maybe, but not god. I don't know of anyone that would really want to emulate him except perhaps Khan Tusion. DenverDon [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 9:10AM DenverDon wrote: I can't quite go with the 'god' part. Pariah maybe, but not god. I don't know of anyone that would really want to emulate him except perhaps Khan Tusion. DenverDon Click to expand Probably very few would want to emulate him but give the guy some positive credit. Max Hardcore: 1)Old 2)Creepy looking 3)Small dicked(according to porn standards) 4)Verbally and physically abusive at times(or always according to who you ask) 5)Not liked by most of the porn community. Yet he was able to overcome all of that and be successful in the profession he choose and I assume loves. [Link]
DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 10:08AM I guess that you and I have different criteria of what 'god qualities' consist of. IMO god qualities consist of traits and behaviors that most would want to emulate. I doubt that Max falls in that category. [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 10:48AM DenverDon wrote: I guess that you and I have different criteria of what 'god qualities' consist of. IMO god qualities consist of traits and behaviors that most would want to emulate. I doubt that Max falls in that category. Click to expand You are correct I see the error of my ways. Max Hardcore is not a God to the average person per se but he is a God to pariahs. Hey, even pariahs need a God to follow. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 10:56AM It's just, none of it nis really about sex -- it's about something else, and that something else is not something that turns me on to watch played out. And the pedophile vibe, it's tiresome and stupid. Again, you can take many elements from a Max scene and use them in other contexts with other actors and directiors, and it can be enjoyed -- look at Rocco, or Nacho, who can ramp things up and somehow keep it non-creepy. Or Joey. But at least when I watch their scenes, I feel like something human is transpiring. Max seems designed to represent sheer sociopathy which, again, is not an uncommon thing in the world of sexual fantasy, but doesn't appeal to me, personally. I'm bored with schtick in porn anyway. Edited by - skronker on 8/11/2004 11:02:39 AM [Link]
CupidStunt Member 248 Posts 6/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 11:00AM I'd put it like this. Would i go out for a drink with him? Um ..... nope. I think he's a dick. But, hey, thats just me. Sorry. [Link]

Manolo Member South America. 148 Posts 2/02	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 3:01PM the problem with Max Hardcore videos is that he is in all the scenes and makes the girls wear the same silly clothes. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 11:14PM Well he did it the easy way. The women? Just costs some money. Success? Young women is a very old and common "kink". He didn't exactly do out on a limb there. After the early-mid '90s he put way too much make up on even the viewable women. Of course by the standards you posted here Papa Doc Duvalier and Stalin are gods to pariahs also. [Link]
pornopunk Senior Member 1343 Posts 2/04	Posted - Aug 11 2004 : 11:39PM Hardware wrote: His 'charmed' life doesn't seem to have done him much good in any way that matters to me. I don't envy Max Hardcore one little bit, and considering that he paid to have sex with all those women I find it odd that you do. Click to expand I couldn't agree more. If you want to have sex with lots of women just pay for it. If you want to fuck the same girls all these porn dudes fuck it'll just cost you more money, but you can do it. Get you a camera, place a couple of ads at adultmodeling jobs sites to get amateur talent. In no time if you spend enough money, you'll able to can get talent from major pornstar talent agencies. -PornoPunK [Link]
Dick Johnson Member 175 Posts 3/04	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 1:05AM I've hated Max Hardcore's style ever since he pioneered throat fucking. Never watched any of his movies again. [Link]
ChinoCochino Member 72 Posts 8/04	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 1:10AM Dick Johnson wrote: I've hated Max Hardcore's style ever since he pioneered throat fucking. Never watched any of his movies again. Click to expand Wow, this must be like somebody asking "how big is your penis". All the guys with "supposed" big dicks come out and say yeah my dick is 10 inches. In this case all the Max haters come out of the wood work while most of Max supporters stay in the closet so to speak. Edited by - ChinoCochino on 8/12/2004 1:15:21 AM [Link]
DIAMOND DOG Deactivated User "Puff Daddy is crap." - Keith Richards 320 Posts 7/04	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 1:15AM Max is a piece of shit. This may be considered a flame, but I think it's justified. We're not talking about a morally responsible human being. His only purpose in life is to embarrass and degrade girls that are to young and naive to know the difference. Hell, if it exists, most likely has a special place for him. Edited by - DIAMOND DOG on 8/12/2004 1:15:23 AM [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 1:21AM OK, we're done here. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 1:23AM ChinoCochino wrote: 4)Verbally and physically abusive at times(or always according to who you ask) Click to expand I certainly wouldn't consider this a 'god' like quality! [Link]
jrv Senior Member 1266 Posts 2/03	Posted - Aug 12 2004 : 2:13AM David-J wrote: My problem with Max is the amount of repetition in the vids he makes. Over a 6 month period he makes maybe 4 vids with only 7 or 8 different girls, in different combinations, so there is always some overlap between different titles. So if you want to see him with a cute new girl, you have to pay to see a girl (or two) you've already seen get the Max treatment. Click to expand Max may not be able to get more girls than that. He doesn't many options any more. There aren't many willing to work with him, and it's not just the abuse. There is a thread on XXXPT where Lain describes what went on in her shoot for Max Faktor 10 . First Max pisses on her for real with no warning when she thought it was going to be faked (and when the camera angles made real pissing pointless). Then she gets pressured by Max and "her" agent into an anal scene. Then Max pays under a quarter of the shoot rate (by check) and a $40 tip (cash; hey Max how's the neighborhood IRS agent doing these days?) Though Lain does not suggest this I speculate that her "agent" was in cahoots with Max, perhaps effectively working for Max. This loser "agent" - Thomas Hope from XTC Models - didn't warn Lain about Max and just dropped her off for the shoot even though he knew this was her first shoot and she didn't know about Max. Hope took part in pressuring Lain to do the anal segment she didn't want to do. And, Hope never hinted that the rate paid was far, far too low. Here's a quote from Lain that is creepiest: "the pretense for my scene was that I was a 12 year old hooker that had been raped by her uncle at the age of 8 (this really put me off; I thought it was the most horrible thing and the fact that that got max hard off it really put a bad vibe between us!)" So you're a new girl who shows up to work for a guy who gets a stiffy at the thought of an eight-year-old being raped by an uncle, who then pisses on you for fun and not because the shoot needed it. And that's before you know how badly he underpays, or that "your" agent may be working for him. It makes me wonder about Catalina and they girls who DO go back to Max. But BTW, nearly all the girls do shoot more than one scene with him, so I take some of the girls' complaints about his behavior with a pinch of salt. If they didn't like his 'methods' why do they come back for more? Click to expand One shoot may be edited into more than one scene. Also, the girls may not find out how badly they've been taken advantage of right away, especially if they're being taken advantage of by their agent. PS. At some point later Lain got connected with A.S.S. (Adult Staffing Services) and they now rep her. Also, Lain is staying with Gen Padova now. So Lain now has a clear idea of how things work and what to (not) do. But, who will rescue the next new girl who gets caught by Max or Hope? [Link]