If you transact business and cheer up to such people you humble yourself.

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Degrading women verbally in porn is pretty common with terms like 'whore' and 'bitch' used all the time. Saying someone is a 'piece of shit' is just an extension of this.

I am more concerned with acts of violence that are so prevalent these days.
When you see a girl in tears during a shoot or getting slapped really hard in the face you have to feel that it has gone too far.

I think you have you be to be a very head strong, confident and assertive women to take part in these 'rough' scenes and i'm not sure if that is always the case.
Yes, i know a girl can leave anytime....but there is bound to be a certain amount of coercion and pressure from a director who is pushing the envelope as far as possible.

I don't mind rough sex but now we have reached the 'Max Hardcore' level i'm not sure how much further we can go. Will we be seeing the crap beaten out of the girls next with trickles of blood and facial swelling? I'm sure it would happen if certain sadistic directors thought they could get away with it.

Anyway...interesting to see Dasha on Meatholes.com
Bit of a change from Vivid.

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Dasha did a great job. She said she really enjoyed herself and I personally was really impressed.

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-T.C.

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So far all the blame goes to pervs according to our most righteous ADT'ers, but IMO, there is also a talent variable in the equation. Obviously, girls choose to do this stuff, hence I am curious to know as to what your personal motivation was, Kami. Was the experience like you expected?
Did you enjoy it? Were you (or your feelings) hurt?

ps. if you don't wanna answer, that's okay.. but if you do, I want an honest one.

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you know what the truth can be disgusting and gross and painful. people watch car wrecks too. I dont get that. but I guess I should. I know I love the sick feeling I get when I'm almost in a car wreck.

I'll stop before the send the guys with the white coats!

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I will say that if an artist is going to work with subject matter at the extremes of the human experience, s/he has an obligation (to whom I'm not sure) to bring the best they can muster in both craft and commitment. Anything less is degrading to all of us.

-T.C.

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*begin of demo*

[picture of shit] [picture of grouper]

Grouper,
you have my compassion, I know how hard it is to get sympathy and support from fans in the weird world of hate fuck addicts like you.
Especially if you are a dirty, disgusting, and lazy piece of shit ,
and when you talk the smell of shit, piss and cum permeates the entire forum.
I want to puke.
Wait! We have this great comment system for our users, let's see what they have to say about you.
User comment: the pictures on the left and right are BOTH pieces of shit, they're BOTH nasty as hell, and they BOTH look like they can give you disease if you ate or fucked 'em
What a sensitve guy that is, eh?
Don't feel ashamed, I have seen some sick and disgusting mucus and fluids dripping out of these diseased whores'asses and pussies. Yes, just spit at the camera, we let you, show the world how desperate you are!
We'll throat fuck ya til you're blue in the face (!). Cheer up pornfans, We completely took every ounce of his dignity.
You can't afford to miss it. We turned this bitch into a human spitbucket, cumbucket, and we've used him as a human urinal.
He thought that this biz was all fun and games but Khan Tusion gave him a hard dose of reality. Watch this slut sob like a baby when he realized that he traded his morals and virtue for a couple of bucks.

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Good grief grouper! Empathic guys like you give me wet dreams. If you really want to tell me that anyone wants to be presented like that on the internet than the only one having trouble grasping reality is you.
Every performer is free to choose and try out his/her limits. But is a presentation like that, no matter how well it sells, really necessary? I say no. Besides I can't imagine that it will push your career as talent. But I won't put it beyond some performers that they find sexual pleasure in these acts.
What I have seen so far gives me a different impression though.

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If i perceive in my own mind that the female star is in the slightest discomfort i'll switch off.

Put it this way if i did to my ex what some pornstars did on screen. I'd currently be serving at Her Majestys Service.

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I think protecting porn girls from themselves or the viewer from it is a slippery slope. It's bad when porn fans want to censor porn. That means something must be truly terrible,where should we draw the line?

I think anyone who is going to shoot for something should be able to see the worst of the series so they know how they will be presented. If you shoot this they are going to call you a peice of shit. or this footage is going into a chunky gang bang. Then the girls could make informed desicions on if thats what they want to do.

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If I'd do movies I want everyone to look good and give their best.
And you usually give your best when you do what you like best, people who desires women to be presented like on meath0les.com scare me.

The bad thing is when such attitudes and views on women become a mainstream thing it affects other performers and pornfans too. I shudder to think these kinds of language becomes the new standard in porn.
All I can do is raise a voice that this language is something I hate and don't want to see.

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{and a big shout-out to my old pal Mark -- doing my best to help keep this thread alive, cuz I know how you love attention!;)}

On another note, I agree that talent should be made absolutely aware of what they're getting into --- however that's not what happens ... I'm thinking of an agent currently being lauded by one of this board's loudest directors, who tried to send one of his clients to both Meatholes and an extremely rough oral shoot by that director, claiming, "Oh, they're just regular boy/girl scenes," and the industry's oldest, most respected agency, who recently put a new girl who said she only wanted to do softer, non-abusive scenes on the phone with "a nice gentleman we've done business with for a long time, Paul Little" -- i.e., Max Hardcore.

We've seen what ignoring health and safety concerns in the industry has brought on -- what do people think embracing this kind of material will lead to? Now THERE'S a slippery slope ...

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Please, everyone on the board say a prayer for that poor soul.

Good grief.

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It is now a cluster of sites, varied in it content matter, with numerous directors currently in its roster.

Directors now include:
Slain Wayne
Mike John
Bobby Manila
Erik Everhard
Khan Tusion
Jon Dough

Trust me, there will be some of the finest directors in the industry entering the meatcash group of sites in the near future including Brian Surewood but it is simply not my place to divulge it until the deals are solidified.

As the original webmaster, I left to direct for Anabolic/Diabolic but would have no hesitation to join the program were it not for other Internet projects I have.

The best thing about this expanding group of sites is that it lets the consumer pick and choose which sites they want to join.

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We have a saying in my country: "A huge pile of shit is still shit."

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Dasha is a well known Czech star who has done a lot of work with vivid over the years.
Her films will be listed on this site aswell as the IAFD

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Then again, if girls are willing to be treated in this manner, I suppose they deserve to be.

I wouldn't want to be seated in front of 12 jurors trying to explain the artistic merit of of a girl being throat fucked until she pukes, but maybe I'm just being a prude.

Just my opinion. I've been wrong before.

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I whacked my puny cock silly todAY watching Julie Night on the "Prowl." I vomited at the sight of her shoveling 7 inches of that Sullivan pig up her lusty maw, but golly it's a living, and I only wish it was me. I agree we should all be tender lovers and never eat red meat and sing CS&N songs around the campfire of happy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Golly. Yes.

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As I said , this site reveals the truth in everyone . But does it reveal it to them or through them .

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Rape, Murder etc etc etc are acts of violence forced upon a person by another. Meatholes is nothing of the kind.

To say "oh these poor girls" just don't know what they are getting into intimates a psychological attachment to playing father that is just as sick as drinking puke.

We can all look down from our perches and think we are better. But when people consent to something that they are free to walk away from at any time, and that they enjoy(money, sexual gratification etc etc etc), and which causes no harm(yes, no harm )), then why not pick something not quite so easy to feel superior about. It's intellectual tic-tac-toe, if you ask me. Of course, you didn't .

Besides, competitor's opinions, and this is most certainly also directed at Tony C and Mike Quasar, are almost surely less than genuine.

Heroin feeds an addiction, a multi-billion dollar drug war, and in most cases a disease.

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I hardly watch any porn Grouper, the temptation is not that big if you can have the real thing
But between you and me, it can be quite stressful to be surrounded by capricious female beings...
Before I forget it, not all porn is about women being exploited and abused. I can't say i'm thankful - now that I know what turns you on - but I can't say I feel sorry for you either.
I think it would be best to drop our stuffy conversation before your situation gets even more awkward.
Besides I am no way supporting Meatholes nor Max.
Sorry to dissapoint you.

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I don't quite understand how you got from that to calling me "a lazy piece of shit", but maybe you should take a break.

I do think that this attitude that prevails among many . . . that these girls aren't able to say NO, and this is taking advantage of them . . . is silly. If that shoe fits, then wear it. But I didn't even mention your name in my post.

Listen, I thought about piecing apart your argument, but I think DAC makes better points than you. sorry.

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Maybe now you finally realize what this thread is about!?
What I am trying to bring across here?

NO?

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Why do you think Amee Donovan left the industry ? Have you never seen blown out O rings , and never heard of Adult diapers ? And besides , not all injuries are physical .

Does that mean I'm trying to protect these girls from their own worse nature , or ride to the rescue in my rusty armor ? No . It just means there are some work conditions I will support , and some I refuse to .

Do you truly believe that all the girls you're watching endure these acts are there through free will ? How does free will operate when drugs and serious psychological issues enter the mix ?

Self mutilators do what they do through free will . Should that be filmed and sold for masturbatory pleasure too ?

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To discount other pornographer's opinions as being suspect because they're supposedly in direct competition with a site like meatholes is almost silly.

Maybe they have a conscience, and don't like what goes on there. Maybe they realize that many people like Grouper and the religious zealots are incapable of drawing distinctions, and see their profession in jeopardy. Maybe they just really like women! It could happen...

I thank them for speaking out against this crap despite the mocking tactics of others.

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Psychological issues, including addiction, are red herrings . . . scourges that cause many pain and have nothing to do with meatholes slapping and throat fucking a girl until she pukes. Addiction is a health issue, but unfortunately it is treated as a moral isuue in this society. Any time anyone does something they don’t want to do because of a compulsion to use drugs, that is undeniably horrible. My heart goes out to them, I assure you.

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Only the people who work on Meatholes et al know if what they offer the world is "the best they can muster in both craft and commitment". If this really is the best they can do, more is the pity.

-T.C.

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I don't object to X-RAY calling me that, in fact I laughed. But there is a difference. This is a message board which is supposed to be a forum for civil discussion. Meatholes participts know exactly what they are there to endure.

By that logic I may cut/paste anything I find on this board to insult someone. But that still doesn't take away from what it is, running from the issue.

The issue is that if you don't like it don't watch it. If a girl wants to be called a lazy piece of shit, it's none of your business.

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Someone asked about Khan Tusion being behind the camera or in front of it? I don't know, but I remember reading something about his desire to remain anonymous because his family is wealthy and know nothing about his 'other life'. Supposedly the L.A. Times was going to out him, but I don't know if they ever did.

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