If Khan Tusion is all about bringing out the 'honesty' in the actresses who appear on his site, why doesn't he show his face? Is he ashamed of what he does?
Didn't a porn actress once post on ADT, that if a woman appears on Meatholes, or in a Max Factor scene, then they won't be hired by other companies (I assume this is the Wicked/Vivid/Digital Playground type companies)? At the least, the woman's agent should tell her this, before sending her off to these two gentlemen .
Well, that's the crux of the matter, isn't it? Do they, or don't they? Given the nature of the industry, I'm not so quick to accept that article of faith.
Who are the religious zealots incapable of drawing distinctions? Moi? Speak up.
Hey Valjean, don't confuse moralization with common sense. Maybe I really was too subtle for somone coming in late , you can find the quote(s) at the start of this thread, so no need to visit this scumsite. That Grouper made no word about the language used on t.his site speaks books as does your reaction to my conscious provocation It is not as easy as you may think. I suppose that if an actress 'endurs' a scene for meatholes and goes home she has no influence anymore what these sicko webmasters write in the scene description. I doubt each and every talent knew these fucked up decriptions are part of the deal.
I wouldn't recommend any talent to work with these guys. They give the porn industry a bad name. And much more important they make you look ugly.
X-Ray, I wasn't referring to you at all. I was talking about the anti-porners here in the USA who object to porn on religious grounds. They see ALL porn as bad, and would love to use a site like meatholes as an example.
You're right of course that the context and the environment does make all the difference to what's said . But frankly the words are of very little issue with me , and just turn me away from their product . No biggie , though they do reveal who their target audience is .
What I do object to is girls getting hurt and then being swept under the carpet as if nothing happened .
Is it the fault of _________ that she didn't leave sooner ? Or , is it the fault of _________ that she left so soon ? If the latter , then no it wasn't specifically meatholes in her instance . But that was just an example to illustrate a point , who knows what other injuries have resulted from the more 'aggressive' sex producers . Sorry , but rough sex can and does lead to injuries . If the girl is out of her head on acid then she's 'not of sound mind or body' and under the law shouldn't make these decisions for herslf . Or is that a mistake ?
Oh. thanks dumblonde, I was beginning to think this is not my day today. I think you're right about the harmfulness of sites in the likes of meath0les.com Once the American gov has enough spare time to declare the war on internetporn such websites will make it easy to convince people to shut down each and everyone, and I couldn't even blame a jury for that.
I shot alot of the early scenes and, to a tee, every single girl was briefed extensively about what they were going to perform.
A couple of girls after the scene had a case of sudden amnesia and forgot about their briefing.
This is normal with some porn girls when they are confronted by people with an anti-meatholes agenda. They'd be asked, "How could you do such a thing?" A few would say, "I didn't know what I was getting into!" Bullshit.
Listen, porn girls aren't stupid. They know what they're doing. And they do it for the money. Plain and simple.
Exactly! Bullshit.Which is well and good, still I have one question for you Chico. Given the case you were shooting for them and a girl has 'a case of sudden amnesia' and suffers a mental breakdown. She leaves the set goes to the toilet, comes back and says "I only continue when you cut this out", would you do her this fav? That I want to know. (not if it happend! just if you'd do it for her)
Chico is in control of his shoot. He won't cut anything unless HE thinks it's necessary. If she won't continue, I think he may scrap the whole scene, and give her crispy 20 dollar bill and send the bitch home. Right, Chico?
It would depend on the girl but giving me a hypothetical like that is too difficult to answer given the variables. It never happened. Girls are not concerned with the post production of their scenes. They're more concerned with finalizing their scenes so they can get paid.
For the record, Zoid, I've been in this business long enough to know that there's alot of girls who'll try to hustle you. Even if you tell them and their agent (which Meatholes also does) precisely what they're going to do and who'll they'll perform with.
Some of these girls think if they just wiggle their ass and come on to you, you'll scrap the anal part of their scene or turn a 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1. In this business, any guy can get laid so the allure of pussy is not as alluring. Alot of people in this industry are downright street hustlers.
I am not disputing that. BTW, that wasn't a poke at you, man, I just remembered that "I said NO to no anal" post after reading xray's question. Was kinda funny the way you told it back then.
I don't particularly want to come of as a knight in shining armour, protecting the poor innocent exploited girls. But I still agree with X-Ray on this. And even though I admit to not knowing the full story behind them, I can't help but reflexively despise these sites, and their producers.
If everyone involved in these shoots are aware of what they're in for before they sign up, it's definitely not up to me to stop them.
But are they always aware of the nature of these shoots? It seems that experience has shown that they are not. When the agents don't look out for their clients' best interests, but send rookies of to Meatholes or Max, something is not right in my view.
I won't pretend to know the best way to deal with this problem. Perhaps a start would be to raise the age limit of both cast and crew to 21. I think it's ridiculous that some of these performers aren't considered old enough to decide whether they should drink alcohol, but they can sign up for a Meatholes shoot. And yes, I would include the crew behind the camera in the age limit. With stuff as bad as Meatholes, I do think an age limit should be imposed on those working behind the scenes on a daily basis.
I know, I know. It's been argued that porn is a bad influence on young people for as long as I can remember. I too always thought that was a ludicrous claim. I, as many of my contemporaries I'm sure, wasn't of legal age to watch porn when I first did so. I stand by the claim that none of the porn I watched then warped my views of sexuality or the relationship between the sexes. The view that mainstream porn is harmless viewing for all but the youngest stayed with me until a couple of months ago, when someone said something that made me take a step back and look again at the porn now considered mainstream. I still think that fluffy bunny tender (just love that quote :) features are harmless, but gonzo has upped the ante for roughness in the last couple of years.
It seems that RLD is considered mainstream by most ADT'ers, including myself. Has RLD released a single title in the last six months that didn't feature any occurrence of slapping, chocking or name calling? I'm not criticising RLD. I've no reason at all to believe that Mike John doesn't treat all his performers with respect. He comes off as a nice guy, and seems like a pretty mainstream gonzo director. But even his titles have gotten a lot rougher in the past year. To the point that I think some rookie performers might be surprised at what goes on, and that I'm no longer so sure that prolonged exposure to those movies might not colour the perceptions of a younger audience.
And taking into account that Max and sites like Meatholes are partly recruiting from the same talent pool as the more mainstream gonzo companies, does make me feel a higher age limit is in order. Even if that means stunners like e.g. April Flowers wouldn't have gotten started in porn.
In my opinion this kind of porn is really close to the line and this is the kind of stuff that will get all porn companies in trouble. Not that it shouldn't be done but the spotlight on Meatholes could be bad for the biz.
Yeah, that really is the crux of the matter. I don't know, really. I'm not quite as black and white on this as it may seem. I couldn't watch the Max Hardcore scene with Lain either. It was clear to me that she was not happy to be there, and I wish she would have left. It made me unhappy. What I don't believe is that she was unable to leave.
I cannot believe some peoples reactions to this sort of material. I do enjoy watching elements of it and movies like throat gaggers and service animals, of course i don't appreciate every scene, but some and most, yes.
To judge or compare me to a murderer or rapist because i do like some of the scenes is highly illogical and offensive.
Consdier;
1 - Some people may consider anyone who watches porn to be a freak, each ot there own i say, as long as the material is within the law.
2 - The girls and guys in the scene know whats its about before taking part, if its legal and they are willing, whats the issue?
3 - We all have kinks, porn is about fantasy, its hard to explain these things, for example i don't like anal sex, yet i like watching a throat gagging scene, not because i hate women, but i enjoy the insensity of the scene from both performers.
i've never full done a pshy essay on why i like this sort of stuff, but i'm sure it would only be as weird as someone explaining why they like to see a dick up where poo comes out of! LOL
I enjoy it, i'm not ashamed of that, call me a heavy raincoater if you will, but we are all different and unique, if its legal and people are happy to do the scene, whats the issue to moralise about?
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Damn Steph,
I think that might have been the most simple explanation I've ever seen, BUT it works extremely well. I have to say it fits my feelings about this subject too.
Chico I just realized we may have talked at cross purposes, with 'descriptions' I meant the descriptions on the website, not your 'briefing.' nevermind.Yes one poster made this dubious analogy. But to defend meath0les for their highly offensive language?. No way. Why am I so upset? I simply can't get it how someone comes up with the idea to place a pic of a shit heap right next to a women and ask whos the real piece of shit. the answer is obvious anyway: the webmaster! You can't excuse that as a bad joke. Apart from that I don't want to see women in tears, yes I know I am strange. I don't like that foot on head thing too, but that's called personal preference I think.
some people like being called piece of shit. Dont they have the right to ba called like that?That is definately a personnal preference. And everyone should respect other people's preference.
So if you like meatholes you should say it, if you don t like it you should say it too... but what makes me sad is to see some people who don t like it, won t respect the right the others have to actually like it.
As long as the girls know what s gonna happen to them and are OK with it, what s the problem?
Not to shirk X-RAY'S melodrama, I would say that the above scenario pales in comparison to subjecting a woman to a public DP. The above sketch is a little harsh, but a public DP, one of the most accepted sex acts in all of porn, one which probably dominates the porn collection of many here, is truly vile. And yeah X-RAY, you can substitute any number of your favorite romantic scenes for the DP. The goofy verbal abuse stuff is funny by comparison.
Like me. And i know many girls that actually like that. Being verbally abused is a turn-on for certain people (not all of them). Like seing girls barefoot is a turn-on for some.
Bullshits! We aren't talking about sexual context only. Do you also like to be described as and compared to a piece of shit on websites and stuff? I know you probably won't mind, but do you actually like it?
People just need to get off there High Horses.Defiling and Debasing Newbie Whores is a lifetime Hobbie of yours truly; and that is coming from one that respects Females as human beings with the utmost.The fact is there is a segment of Ladies(not all);that enjoy the Fetish of treating them like a piece of shit persay.EXAMPLE:Several Months ago I had a Girl named Jenn over my crib;and this Hot Blonde aint never been with a Black Guy,so and forth.She was engaged to tie the knot and was up for some debasing fun.Just as Meatholes; I had the Girl on video tape Yelping like a Dog on Video tape while I called the young aspiring Cunt a Bitch!I had her play fetch with my newspaper,Drink Toilet water out the bowl,Suck my Cock,Lick my Ass,Fucked her,and pee peed in her Mouth.Now this sounds gross and disrespectful to some;which is fine.But there is an element of some Girls that Love it; and see it as a turn on.I myself love it too;and respect a Ladie even more that she would be willing to go the limit like that.I think the problem is;when men cant seperate it from the bedroom and carry in other aspects of daily life. The best thing about debasing these Buttqueens;is showing them that in other facits in life;that you do respect them as the person they are.Now this Chic is married today;and I dare boast;if she had persued Porn;would be a Super Star.She E-mailed me thanking me for showing her new things.So it's all good in the hood on mines.Like I said;dabasing young female Buttholes will always be a favorite past time for me.
It stops being fun when it's shot out of focus, wrong/bad color balance, thoughtless crap in the background and overall general sloppiness. Who likes this? If you do, you've got a sickness and should seek help.
Geez, I wasn't saying that exactly. I'm saying that sometimes the things that get someone off are not necessarily going to be the "right" things, if you know what I mean. Sometimes, what's specifically a trigger is the "wrong" thing. Not that I always find what I've seen on those sites to be very sexy at all, but the right performers in an intense scene can be something to see. What does matter most is that the performers know what they're doing there and really want to be.
That was all the more fun of it!The fact knowing that Mr. Goodie Too Shoes invested all his time and CASH on this perfect 10 Beauty.Took her out to Dinner and to the Musuem. Delivering Dozens of Roses;spending $3000 on a trip to the Hawaii Islands to impress her and his friends.Then a NIGGA like Tycoon comes along;spends Money for McDonalds and she all up on it.My only time and investment was the time I took to examine her Rectal Colon. Whoever said life wasnt fair; quite surely lied to me that day!
And that is where my conscience steps in and throttles my penis . There's no way for you or I to truly tell what the girl ( or guys for that matter ) is thinking or feeling . In real life there are all sorts of signals and clues that we could use to tell , but they simply don't translate well through the TV set . In the doubt which that creates I choose to err on the side of caution . If girl X isn't really aware or willing in a scene then I'd rather it was a non-violent one where she won't be left with a tawn (sp!!!) anal lining . Of course I'd prefer she was both willing and aware ...
TL I'm loving the story . But just because she wanted it doesn't make it right . Imagine she was a mutilator . If she'd asked you to cut her would you have been there for her too ? After all , it would just be her desire and the only person she would be harming would be herself .
Thats all conjucture and speculation with all due respect Mr.Lee O.If you look at it from that angle;some people view Porno as lovely;but may not be neccessarly right.I was just illustrating,and expanded on what Mellissa Lauren said.That there are some girls that like this type of stuff.The whole accomedating a girl if she wants to be mutilated is far left field than talking dirty;and getting raunchy the way I described.However,I do respect your opinion on the matter that some may view this as not being right.That perspective will never come from me though, because treating a willing Whore like Toilet behind closed doors can be a Beautiful thing;if she likes and wants it.
Somehow I have the strange feeling this thread gets worse with every addition, just like meath0les.com.
Lets summarize what we've learnt today. We heard that pornfans jerk off to what they think is female abuse, some talents are proud to be a piece of shit and T.L is a good tale-teller, We know by now that sometimes girls have a case of sudden amnesia after a scene, but only if they forgot about their briefing or have been hit to hard. What a day. I feel the love vibes right over here. What should we memorize before we go to bed? probably nothing except that meath0les.com is certainly not for everyone, it's for 'special' people. I am not ashamed to admit, I'm not one of them.
If I restricted my viewing to porn where the people on the screen looked like they were actually enjoying themselves, that would leave me with precious little to watch.
I agree , it's waaaaay past my line of what I can and can't do . But then pissing or taking a dump on a girl ( BTW have you ever heard the Biggie Small track which starts with him describing a girl asking him to poop on her chest - funny stuff ! ) are over left field for me too - actually they're out the ground .
I'm not trying to judge you - even though it could seem that way - I'm just trying to figure out why I like the things I do and not the rest by examining other people and seeing what their reasoning looks like . Maybe , like people say , there is no why . But I'd like to think there is .
That's true, of everything in life. What TonyC says is also true. Though it seems easy enough for me to watch Melissa Lauren in a very physical scene and see that she's really getting off, or to start watching a scene where the girl is clearly in way over her head and not appreciating what's happening, and that's when I check out. IN terms of porn, for me, everything is scene-specific. Whether it's the "normal" sex of "Shane's World" or an aggressive Internet clip. Sometimes the latter is a real turn OFF, and sometimes it's not. But, really, the key is what's playing out across the face of the performer. Regardless of what kind of sex scene it is.
I thought you watched precious little as it is ? Or is that the point .
To make it clearer , I don't go necessarily by what is presented on screen . I'd rather see a less than enthused girl performing in a simple sex scene than a 'supposedly' passionate girl getting her holes stretched to the max ( or by the Max for that matter ) . Best of all would be a massively enthused girl chomping wildly at my bit . Which amazingly does happen from time to time ! I think they must all be blind .
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I didn't want to get into another heated discussion, but I can't stay out of this 1....
I have many objections to this type of material. While I agree it's stretching a little to say everybody who enjoys this stuff is a rapist or murderer, BUT people have to know this is the type of stuff that would get a rapist or murderer off sexually. Also I think for some confused person struggling on the edge of doing these acts for real this stuff may send them over the edge. I also believe there is a VERY DANGEROUS safety issue here. Now it's choking & beating which are dangerous, but what if next month a fetish of guys that would want to put a rope around a chicks neck and fuck her on the edge of an unsecured balcony or something? If this stuff keeps going farther eventually somebody is going to be brain damaged or even worse killed doing this stuff. If that happens "to your favorite Star" are the people that are saying "The girl knew what she was getting into" and "It's her fault for going through with it" are you all going to wish you had helped to stop the trend before it went too far?
As far as the Stars who have come out about liking this stuff. I'm NO psychologist, BUT I don't think it's about sexual fantasy for these Stars. I think it's 1 OF 2 things....Either it's about past sexual abuse OR....OR it's a natural human competition thing. The abuse idea is self explanatory. The competition thing is.... I think these Stars want to show the world what they are capable of taking. Where men have rough Sports to show their competitive spirit. For women there are very few hardcore sports, so thus female Stars look for the hardest most out there sex to show their competitiveness.
Let me make it CLEAR!!!! I'm NOT saying all females who do this stuff have been sexually abused previously.
Let me say I am VERY pro women, so seeing them disrespected is never going to be a great thing to me. Whether it be disguised as "sexual fantasy" or not. It is still disrespect. There is NO respect in choking a woman till she passes out, beating her till she is black & blue, fucking her hard till she bleeds, throat fucking her till she bleeds or throws up, or any other situation that could put her health or life in danger.
I took much offense to X-Ray saying "TL IS A GOOD TALE TELLER";as if HE or SHE,that being dear X RAY has EVER interacted or met me;to even determine the validity of my remark of Personal Experience.Youz a Hater Sweetcakes;and my life experiences would make your head spin 20 times over.Sorry!Dont need no budget to pull off shit more exciting you see in the Raunchiest Porno;and your dealing with someone REAL,far from Rookie Cookie.I wish I hadnt over looked that Hater Azz Statement earlier.If I recount a particular experience I had which directly pertains to the Topic of discussion;its WORD BOND.Im a grown Ass MAN who dont have to tell TALES to convey points.My experience just directly corrilated with the previous statements made.If my personal experience sounds to good to come out of your life;dont hate by stating (Im a good tale teller)cuz you dont even know me. Thats All.
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