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DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 1:45AM apparently the only producer to ever make rough/choke/foreplay/sex in america(khan) will not be making anymore axfixiation scenes. even tho the majority of all scenes theyv made in the past have had choking, they all have been cut and they will not publish or release it to the public. :( that sucks, i feel like we're being robbed. most the stuff they do is crazy sexy and wild but im just guessing that they got too much flak for it and had to take it down i cant wait for the new milder and regular boring porn that they start making in the future :rolleyes:. i feel like this is the loss of slaphappy all over again. damn ye! [Link]
MLyons Senior Member 1617 Posts 8/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 1:51AM According to several experts who have been cited here in the past, choking and asphixiation are excessively risky practices--I for one think it's a wise decision. Mike L. [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 1:53AM experts? more like bias views. you want expert you ask khan himself whov done it like 50 diffrent times a week. anal sex and blowjobs can be very deadly and dangerous in the context the way you people view unwanted sex acts. [Link]
MLyons Senior Member 1617 Posts 8/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:07AM Biased views they may be... but that doesn't make you or Khan any less biased. Plus these people hold medical degrees. I'm inclined to believe them. Khan may have done it 50 times a week, but it only takes one mistake to turn "fun" into "permenant damage". I don't discount that a great deal of other porn practices have their risks, but it is my belief that this particular act carries a marginally greater direct and imminent risk that I'm not willing to let slide without at least stating my concerns about. I could be wrong, but hey... so could you. :) Mike L. Edited by - MLyons on 11/16/2003 2:07:29 AM [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:15AM i would like to see more people "medical degrees" with some hard facts and numeral statistics for them to bash down something they do not like. Im positive if you ask the same people if it were okay to "fist" or have "anal sex" they would give you the same halfassed generic replies. Don't do it because the anus can rupture and have severe bleeding ect ect. Also dont play football, watch wrestling, or professional skateboarders because theyv all had death accident rates of .001%. Or dont kiss your gf on the mouth because she MIGHT choke on your tongue. unless you were the sick and demented people whom you are probibly refering to when you think of axphiation, would you probibly actually hurt the person, and that is not what it is like at all. [Link]

morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:22AM DukeAbercrombie wrote: i would like to see more people "medical degrees" with some hard facts and numeral statistics for them to bash down something they do not like. Click to expand As people are well aware; on a contentious issue when one side trots out "experts" to reinforce their position, the other side can trot out their own saying the exact opposite. Man, the cynical world I live in. [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:26AM morbidthoughts wrote: DukeAbercrombie wrote: i would like to see more people "medical degrees" with some hard facts and numeral statistics for them to bash down something they do not like. Click to expand As people are well aware; on a contentious issue when one side trots out "experts" to reinforce their position, the other side can trot out their own saying the exact opposite. Man, the cynical world I live in. Click to expand im pretty sure if you found a doctor who himself had asphixation sex with his wife before, would not give you such a direct answer in the cynical real world, not everyone who likes something that is diffrent from yours a maniacal sick and twisted person. [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:42AM so if i gave you 50 million dollars to make a series of movies. one movie that specializes in face slappings another movie in anal sex and another movie that has choking scenes.. would you go out and break your male porn actors faces slapping them as hard as you can, would you rip open up a poor girl who wasnt ready for triple-a, and would you grab some person wwf style and try to kill them without care in 4 minutes of carelessness? please come on now, if for seriously you were paid 50 mill to make these movies, you would make a mild slap happy scene where the girl is fine after the shoot, you would have regular sexy anal sex, and you would handle the choking scene as if the other person were yourself. what? you think its impossible right now to put your hand around your own neck and lightly choke without cuttin air supply? when i tell you to choke yourself for a few seconds, i dont think you will right up and end yourself. im rambling but i hope u get my jist [Link]
MLyons Senior Member 1617 Posts 8/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 2:47AM DukeAbercrombie wrote: in the cynical real world, not everyone who likes something that is diffrent from yours a maniacal sick and twisted person. Click to expand Just to be clear, I didn't say anything of the kind. I simply think the practice is unnecessarily dangerous. You disagree. Fine. This is independent of whether or not I'm aroused by it (as I have been in the past), and certainly not a reflection on my feelings for your turn ons, or Khan's. There's no reason to let this discussion become unnecessarily contentious. Mike L. [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:16AM ya im sorry also i do not wish to offend its just that, i know alot of peeps here hate it and would bann it forever if they could in a second i kind of disagree with the dangerous part, i dont understand how it can be dangerous if you knew were not going to do something dangerous. when you choke a girl in sex, jesus youre not strangling as hard as you can ya know. if anything you can choke mildly for only a few moments. you swim and dive in pools in the summer right? or seen elementry kids hold thier breathe in a contest? you will have even more breathe then off and sprinting 400 meters as hard as you can. we are not talking about cutting off a persons breathe for a prolonged time. whatever you do, hopefully you are not out to hurt another person or have an accident. you can choke a person for like 5 seconds at a time or not even choke them at all. i remember in the other thread, some girl said it pissed her off seeing a guy put his hand near a girls throat even if he wasnt choking and damned the whole sex act. sounding a little mormon there. on the extremist end you can look at bisexual britney who is god of choking sex, and im not even talking about that kind of hardcore choking. iv seen on a few forums, and alot of girl on reality tvs that said they like , a little hair pulling, biting and choking during sex. its ridiculious to me how people would just up and go, "hey dont do that type of sex, i think its sick and you will definately die and goto hell if you dont stop it". drinking alchohal is not recommended by "experts" and you can even reason to have it abolished because a few retarded kids got alchohol poisoning. the hate, intolerant and closemindedless towards this type of sex is annoying i feel like brandon irons defending a gag factor type of scene to a bunch of 50 yr old liberals who hate porn. [Link]
lindi Senior Member 12345 3205 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:16AM Jay Wiseman is a long-time member of the S&M community, as well as the author of SM101. He's a former paramedic, a licensed cpr and a first aid instructor. As a paramedic, he has responded to calls involving autoerotic strangulation and suspected autoerotic strangulation. He says, in the second link from this thread: Indeed, so far not one (repeat, not one) single physician, nurse, paramedic, chiropractor, physiologist, or other person with substantial training in how a human body works has been willing to step forth and teach a form of breath control play that they are willing to assert is acceptably safe -- i.e., does not put the recipient at imminent, unpredictable risk of dying. I believe this fact makes a major statement. Click to expand [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:22AM wow thnx for quoting other peoples bias work for your own arguements. "Jay Wiseman is a long-time member of the S&M community, as well as the author of SM101." right there, i can tell you that S&M is pretty discusting and is friggin dangerous. with all that leather mask and whips and stuff. his type of "breath play" is tieing up ugly gimps in a leather suit in chains and bondes where they have no control and to put a plastic bag over thier head. S&M is NOT sexy in anyway and is totally off topic to what kind of sex im refering to. what the frick, iv bet that guy has never even had missionary type of sex and put his hand around a girls shoulder or neck. S&M pyschos are the ones that should be banned, with all thier tattoos and 100s of piercings and high fatality rates goodness [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:32AM im not sure if it was posted purposely, or overlooked, but in the critical notes seem to only disprove and infers that Jay Wiseman made up some(lied) of his statements. and the picture he has next to his artical, is of something scary. http://www.secretmag.com/Secret/Best18/Breath.jpg how can you compare what these freaks do compared to what regular people do during sex? [Link]
MLyons Senior Member 1617 Posts 8/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:35AM Duke... I appreciate your perspective, but listen to yourself! DukeAbercrombie wrote: right there, i can tell you that S&M is pretty discusting and is friggin dangerous. with all that leather mask and whips and stuff. his type of "breath play" is tieing up ugly gimps in a leather suit in chains and bondes where they have no control and to put a plastic bag over thier head. S&M is NOT sexy in anyway and is totally off topic to what kind of sex im refering to. what the frick, iv bet that guy has never even had missionary type of sex and put his hand around a girls shoulder or neck. S&M pyschos are the ones that should be banned, with all thier tattoos and 100s of piercings and high fatality rates Click to expand First of all, I'm not convinced you even read the artical, and second of all, you seem to be guilty of what you were complaining about not two posts ago: DukeAbercrombie wrote: in the cynical real world, not everyone who likes something that is diffrent from yours a maniacal sick and twisted person. Click to expand I'm not sure I'm really furthering this discussion anymore anyway. But Duke... you have to face facts that your arguments are just as "self-serving" as everyone elses. I'm outta here anyway. Going on vacation. I leave it to the rest of you. :) Mike L. Edited by - MLyons on 11/16/2003 3:35:58 AM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:42AM i feel like brandon irons defending a gag factor type of scene to a bunch of 50 yr old liberals who hate porn. Click to expand Well, jeez, man, I don't think anyone here "hates" porn. I doubt hardly anyone here is 50 either (though some of us are getting close!). And as far as I know you were never even close to getting banned but you choose to say so on other forums just so you can be a bad-ass. Get over it, dude! Grow up. I think, if anything, you should be attacking Khan for selling out like a punk who won't put his mouth where his money is. Not that I've seen any rough sex in any of his websites in a,long long time. Not that I care, either. I love these porno weasels who pretend to be mean assmasters and really they are just shills for provocation, Well, that's called "conning the rubes" and it's an old, honored American tradition back to PT Barnum and Bill Veeck sending midgets up to bat. I'm all for it, but I won't pretend to call it anything but what it is. Why should anyone be surprised or upset when they pull the rug out? I enjoy rough sex videos. not all but some when it's well done. I enjoy choking scenes, and slapping scenes -- again, when it's well done. That won't win me any points with some folks at ADT but it doesn't have to. No one is here to win points. And no one is here to be generalized on. It's a plurality of porn tastes. You are among them. So am I. Let's leave it at that. Vive le difference! Edited by - skronker on 11/16/2003 3:44:25 AM [Link]

DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:44AM i did scan it a bit and saw how bias it was only to be glad that http://www.datenschlag.org/howto/atem/english/wiseman.html was also posted. "you seem to be guilty of what you were complaining about not two posts ago," whatever i was guilty of, wouldnt it be that everyone else is guilty of also hypothetically, say you just saw a choking movie. and then later after the scene there was in interview, and both people were fine. they both said they would never do it again. what would you think of the video? you would probibly destroy it because you think that scene was same thing as if the boy and girl both got killed. do you see what im saying? thats like turning off a race of nascar because all you think this is everybody is going to explode crash and die. Im not telling you to have choking sex where you will kill people because you dont know what you are doing. you dont even have to enjoy it. dont do it, thats all. but there are consenting people who do have or had regular choking sex, jeez dont get your panties in a bunch. i gtg also ttyl :) [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:53AM skronker wrote: i feel like brandon irons defending a gag factor type of scene to a bunch of 50 yr old liberals who hate porn. Click to expand Well, jeez, man, I don't think anyone here "hates" porn. I doubt hardly anyone here is 50 either (though some of us are getting close!). And as far as I know you were never even close to getting banned but you choose to say so on other forums just so you can be a bad-ass. Get over it, dude! Grow up. I think, if anything, you should be attacking Khan for selling out like a punk who won't put his mouth where his money is. Not that I've seen any rough sex in any of his websites in a,long long time. Not that I care, either. I love these porno weasels who pretend to be mean assmasters and really they are just shills for provocation, Well, that's called "conning the rubes" and it's an old, honored American tradition back to PT Barnum and Bill Veeck sending midgets up to bat. I'm all for it, but I won't pretend to call it anything but what it is. Why should anyone be surprised or upset when they pull the rug out? I enjoy rough sex videos. not all but some when it's well done. I enjoy choking scenes, and slapping scenes -- again, when it's well done. That won't win me any points with some folks at ADT but it doesn't have to. No one is here to win points. And no one is here to be generalized on. It's a plurality of porn tastes. You are among them. So am I. Let's leave it at that. Vive le difference! Edited by - skronker on 11/16/2003 3:44:25 AM Click to expand :D my fav expert skronker. yes yes i absolutely agree with you. but u have to see it at my stand point. i can just mention, "hey guys did you see that sexy video where whoever got gagfucked ?" and the first replys are people saying "read this article about the dangers of being gagfucked. dont do it you will die. youre an idiot for liking that sort of stuff" when i didnt not even talk about the subject in that context? not im stuck with defending myself against people where they will only justify and retort that their original beliefs are right [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:03AM They're just sharing their opinion same as you is all. Another time of day, you'll get different responses, but you will find that choking is a hot potato. It's a topic discussed many times before here, and usually leads to perdition. You're just lucky Dumblonde is snoozing! My God! Duck and cover my lad. [Link]
Pontus Maximus Senior Member Man of Steel, meet your match. 1346 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:05AM DukeAbercrombie wrote: apparently the only producer to ever make rough/choke/foreplay/sex in america(khan) will not be making anymore axfixiation scenes. Click to expand Why? DukeAbercrombie wrote: even tho the majority of all scenes theyv made in the past have had choking, they all have been cut and they will not publish or release it to the public. Click to expand Why? [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:06AM oh boy, i cant wait to get bashed on some more :(. thnx for the heads up my friend :) [Link]
DukeAbercrombie Deactivated User 180 Posts 9/03	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:12AM Pontus Maximus wrote: DukeAbercrombie wrote: apparently the only producer to ever make rough/choke/foreplay/sex in america(khan) will not be making anymore axfixiation scenes. Click to expand Why? DukeAbercrombie wrote: even tho the majority of all scenes theyv made in the past have had choking, they all have been cut and they will not publish or release it to the public. Click to expand Why? Click to expand khan is a jerk? :( that and people who petition against choking pron are jerks. :) [Link]
Pontus Maximus Senior Member Man of Steel, meet your match. 1346 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:19AM DukeAbercrombie wrote: khan is a jerk? :( that and people who petition against choking pron are jerks. :) Click to expand I was wondering if it had anything to do with John Ashcroft and the Bush Administration's crackdown on porn. I was wondering if this is an example of self-censorship (on the part of Khan) to avoid possible prosecution. PM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 4:20AM Word up, Duke. You travel a well-trod path. Everyone at ADT loves a good theoretical tussle over the merits of "forbidden" sex. It's just, damn, these threads have a way of goin' nutso before ya know it. No one is out to get anyone on this forum, but if people feel like you're trying to bait them, they will respond in kind -- or at least become defensive. Step back a little bit and phrase your comments in an open manner (rather than as a challenge -- or what anyone might take as a challenge) and you'll get a different vibe. However, any rational discussion of the positive merits of choking/slapping videos will likely grow contentious in short order -- unfortunately -- but that's just one of those topics. One good thing about ADt, however, is you will find honest DIFFERENCE of opinion and not a chorus of frat boys jeering away -- which points to fruitful conversation and debate. But, it can get tricky. The best way to ensure your topic receives a full and fulfilling airing is to present yourself in an even-toned manner. That's all. I think folks may be taking you as a bit rowdy. Not a biggie. Everyone enjoys a good convo. Smack me hard and call me daddy! Edited by - skronker on 11/16/2003 4:35:42 AM [Link]
Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 8:38AM This thread is heading for closure unless the debate is kept on-topic. That means no more personal attacks, inflamatory statements, and hypothetical arguments. This topic falls into the same category as abortion & religion: governed by personal beliefs, highly polarizing, and almost impossible to have a civil debate over. - Saki [faqs] [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 9:40AM I personally wish directors like Khan Tusion, Max Hardcore, Rob Black and Thomas Zupko would make movies for Europe only, this way they could shoot whatever they without having to think about US laws and stuff like that because I assume that's why Khan Tusion decided to stop doing this act? Btw, The Yellow Menace is cool :-) [Link]

Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99	Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 11:03AM Duke, I don't care how many smilies you use. You are clearly trying to start shit. Go start it somewhere else. If anyone wants to discuss choking or Khan's decision without resorting to childish retorts please do start a new thread. [Link]