for the record I don't give a damn about gay sex- whatever floats your boat. I think I said that issue wasn't really my complaint. But can an act between men and women have gay overtones o be gay/bi? I like to watch double anal, but all you hear over at climax corner is how gay it is, and I guess technically they have a point, the two cocks rubbing thing comes as close to gay as it gets I would think. I wouldn't do it, probably because of that reason, but I like watching it if its well done( does that make me a hypocrite?)Another potentially gay position is that DP position where the girl rest on her shoulders upside down with her ass way up in the air and her feet by her head, and two guys dp her facing each other- thats WAY too close for comfort in my opinion.

But as I said if eating cum is done in the context of domination cool. If Ariana Jollee demanded it, who could say no? To do it on your own with no prompts seem pathological and deviant. Who cares though, too each his own. I just thought I'd bring it up, life and porn always go on.

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but...on this thread, wow! from "just a preference" to "pathological and deviant" in 60 seconds. Man that heterosexism handles well! Does it get good gas mileage driving over gay rights?

I know it's hard to see baby love. I know it is! When you are mired in smog you think that the air you know is the only kind of air there is. But your glibness, and others' glibness, in tossing off (pun intended) this harsh double standard reveals more than you may even realize.

Let's transfer this to your own bedroom. How do you think a sexual partner would feel if you tossed off in her face then treated her with the disgust you're displaying toward cum? How do you think she would feel at the moment of realization that this fluid you just shot off in her mouth was too disgusting for you, but not too disgusting for her?

I'll tell you how that would make her feel: lower than you. But that's what you want, right? "Eat my cum, you [insert derogatory name of choice]. Haha! I'm the man and you're the woman, on your knees with my body's garbage in your mouth. And since I'm a nice guy, I'll get you some Listerine and a warm towel. But don't get any on me! I'm no fag!"

Fag - hetero dude slang for "man who acts like woman."

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I choose the porn that floats my boat, consenting participants is definetely a criterion. The rest is down to my individual preferences, I don't buy porn to make a political statement. It's all fantasies anyway.

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Homophobia (ho mo FO bi yuh) n. insecurity about being heterosexual

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But by all means, bookmark all you want, run your ignorant feminist crusade. Piss on all the women and gays who really struggle, just so you can throw a punch at whatever man who happens to cross your path. I couldn't care less, I get along just fine, so do my female acquaintances, and gays even. Have a nice life.

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BY THE POWER OF HERA, FORM MECHA-BUSTDOWNGAL!

*The Porn Pool rumbles as all the metal in this thread begins to quiver and hurl itself toward BustdownGal, forming a shining and multicolored 100-foot tall super-specimen of invincibility*

*I squint*

*A glint from Hera's star reflects down my eyelid as I move my pupils at a rapid pace to assess my targets*

*I bow to you all, then beckon you with a word...

"Go" I whisper.

This harsh double standard is why feminists fight. Because it's this deep-set attitude that women are less than men within the bedrooms...no...within the very *minds* of men that leads to every single expression of inequality toward women. Men don't get to hide in their fantasies. Oh no, baby doll. Because only autistics stay in their minds. Human thoughts are not disconnected from our actions, so there is no place where human discourse should not allowed to flourish and examine. So don't gimme that "it's just my fantasies!" We're goin' in, baby. Dive! Dive!

And don't get all mad because I've called you and Bornyo, Dither, etc. on your shit. I've asked you to be accountable for the harsh double standard you've proudly labelled an entire thread with. So now I'd like you to at least fess up to it like Dither did, and then we can move on from there.

We like to shout out our sins:

turcottes, what really made me explode was this:

You have shown that so much of being gay in homophobe's eyes has *nothing* to do with same-gender-sex. It has to do with not imposing dominant behavior over every woman you encounter. And any man who behaves in a way that looks like he's treating women equally, then he's "gay".

"unknown queer"...jesus christ!

SHING!
*Mecha-BustdownGal pulls sword out of turcotte's body*
"Hello again, Ramsey," I say with a voice as cold as my Adamantium Arbiter.

"Warning: men and women treat each other equally in this video. Don't watch if you think that women should do salacious sexual shit that men don't have to. Don't watch if you think women should be fucked, pissed on, splooged on then run away from by the fuckers, pissers and sploogers as if they were litterboxes."

*Mecha-BustdownGal shakes Ramsey's life-force off her sword and grabs Dither. His legs are still running even though I've lifted him off the ground*

"I will have mercy on you because you were honest," I whisper.

How much richer this conversation could be if everyone just fessed up to the obvious double standard of "men eating hteir cum ain't cool, but women eating men's cum is way cool." Then we could explore questions like

"Why is that your preference?"
"Why do you put up with this unfairness in yourself?"
"Do you see how this double standard would make a female sexual partner feel like you thought she was less of a person than you?"
"How do you think a woman in your real life would feel knowing that you fantasize about human toilets? Called a human toilet not because you cum on it...but because of the disgust you feel *after* you've cum on it? Because you treat the cum from your own body like waste to be flushed. Down HER throat."

The attitudes many have unwittingly revealed here, are what anti-porn feminists are complaining about. If you've ever wondered why they're hating on us, this is it. This is the dead center of it. This root-level belief that sex is as much about dominating another as it is about the pleasure of sex itself.

It is a self-delusion to believe that a double standard in your sexuality will never make it out of your head, or out of your bedroom. It will escape into the real world. It HAS to. It's our sexuality. It's so central to our personality. We never interact with the world without our sexuality present, influencing our interactions in small and large ways.

So, are we going to be real enough with ourselves as porn fans to discuss this in an honest way in the only place we're safe to open up about it?

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Turcottes:
Now Mickey, he always was a cum eating freak, it worked with Missy because she played the domme so well. But his scene with gia paloma, was just sick- Gia didn't give a damn, and mickey went out of his way to have her shit the cum into his mouth...Men eating their own cum is something best done in private- NEVER to be recorded for posterity.

From the getgo, turcottes, you establish the act of eating cum as something that "subs" do. In the above words you reveal that although men can "play" sub, the natural sub in life's order of things is Woman.
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Give me a break, As I've said on numerous occasions and as you've ignored, I stated that it was fine as long as it is within some type of natural flow. "never to be recorded for posterity". I'll take that part back , somewhat. After all as I said, I had no problem with mickeys antics with Missy, including the classic strap on scene from Beyond Reality and all the rest. I had the highest respect for Mickey and regarded him as the heir to Jamie Gillis. But this particular scene with Gias indifference was repugnant.Yes men eating spunk outside the context of domination is best done in private, it makes for bad porn. I stand by that statement and if it makes me an oppressor then so be it.

When the way you see life's order is disrupted, you are disgusted. You are turned off. When the spooge from your own body that you gladly spurt onto a woman ends up back on the body of the Man, your natural domme in the order of things, you are disgusted. You don't want to see it.

I didnt say that- see Arianna Jolie comments.

In your conceptualization of sexuality, there is always the dominant and submissive, and that dominant is always Man and that submissive is always Woamn.
Unless they're "playing".

Thats such garbage. I never said that and I don't believe it.

You exclaimed that this blasphemy should be banned and not shown to ANYONE.

I said that its best done in private, and although I did make all inclusive statement I obviously qualified it later. Calm down, I didn't have any reservations when mickey licked it off a toilet seat, because it followed the logic of the scene.

And don't get all mad because I've called you and Bornyo, Dither, etc. on your shit. I've asked you to be accountable for the harsh double standard you've proudly labelled an entire thread with.

Yes I proudly stand by the threads title with the aforementioned exceptions which I delineated before your protestations.I mean for gods sake "swallow my squirt 1" was my favorite movie last year, with three of the best scenes ever( Tianna Ariana/ Tucci/ angela stone)I only enjoyed that because it was "play"?

So now I'd like you to at least fess up to it like Dither did, and then we can move on from there.

turcottes:
Speaking as a man, and not as a professional psychologist, and knowing his previous status in porn, I wonder if that particular scene had anyting to do with the end. I mean seriously, its one thing for an unknown queer to be eating his own spunk entirely another for Jon Dough to be doing it.

This linking of cum-eating to Jon's death just shuts down completely the part of my netiquette that doesn't want to call to task someone who only has 16 posts. I mean, how dare you imply that Jon was gay, one, and two, how dare you imply that being secretly gay might have had anything to do with his death?? That's disrespectful on so many levels, dude. He was doing a scene with a woman, for Cripe's sake! So because he thinks his own cum tastes good, he's gay? So because he thinks that he can eat what he makes women eat, that makes him gay?

Let me preface the following statements by reiterating that Jon Dough was one of my favorite woodsmen. He was obviously a legend I can barely even remember how long he was in porn, did he go back to the 80's even? I followed his career for years and saw his best fucks.He fucked em all, Kim Kyle, Kitty Yung, Audrey Hollander,there wasn't a major star he didn't do and do well. That having been said over the last 10 years I feel like I know the man. He was A MAN, and as a man I can imagine his thoughts and his guilt from having done this act, men like him just don't do that, I'm sorry if that offends you. It has already been confirmed by his partner in the scene that he was repulsed by it. My feelings on it had nothing to do with him being gay. I simply felt sorry for him that his career had been brought to that point. I started to think about how him and Mark Davis(although Mark unlike Jon has tasted his own cum from the beginning of his career and seems to enjoy it) must feel at being overshadowed by the new generation of wood.

And lastly don't blame men for being dominant after millions of years of evolution, women tend to accept it as well, just go to alt.com and compare the number of female subs with female dommes. theres no comparison, its like 1000 to 1. Is that a function of socialization. BULLSHIT!

You have shown that so much of being gay in homophobe's eyes has *nothing* to do with same-gender-sex. It has to do with not being imposing dominant behavior over every woman you encounter. And any man who behaves in a way that looks like he's treating women equally, then he's "gay".

"unknown queer"...jesus christ!

SHING!
*Mecha-BustdownGal pulls sword out of turcotte's body*

HAHAHHAHAHA, me bested by you?!!!!!! Thats the funniest shit I've heard in weeks! You've ignored every qualification that I've made over this entire thread. "And any man who behaves in a way that looks like he's treating women equally, then he's "gay"."Is this what your argument boils down to? Did I not confess in an earlier post to being a fan of Silvera's strap attack? I could go on but why bother, you're probably to drunk on war nog to read.

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If you're out there Karen- Luv ya babe!

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People, please learn to quote correctly or don't bother at all.

Hint: There is a preview button you can use to see what your post is going to look like before posting.

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john & rene

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Yes, guys eating cum is nasty, don't want to see it, couldn't give less of a shit if that makes me a homophobe or whatever new age faggy bullshit psychobabble.

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Why cant you accept that porn and sex in general is all about "different strokes for different folks" instead of trying to force you point of view on people.

My opinion (and it is only that) is that there is nothing wrong with men that want to watch a man eat his own cum, if thats what he is into. You will find that the vast majority of guys are not into this, just because it isnt his thing.

It has nothing to do with being disrespectful or dominant over women or anything like that, if you truly feel this way then I believe that you are entitled to your opinion on the matter.

With regards to girl swallowing cum, you will probably find that these girls enjoy pleasing their partners and many eventually enjoy doing it. How many guys when they first went down on a woman though into themselves "this is disgusting" but got turned on by how much their girlfriend was enjoying it? And how many of these guy got used to the taste and enjoy any opportunity they get to do this.

Of course, there will always be men that dont go down on women, and women who dont go down on men. Everyone has their own taste, be it heterosexual, bi-sexual or homosexal and its each to her or his own.

For me , I personally do not want to watch this in a film? Why? because it does not turn me on. Just like I dont want to what a Scat film etc there is no reason for me to watch this.

I guess a lot of guys feel the same, and it is quite funny to see the storm that has brewed out of a tea cup.

Regards,

Lee

Edit for spelling error, sorry!

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Personaly, in the last 3 years I haven't bought a porn video that DIDN'T have a female giving the strap-on to a guy. (It's called "pegging" BTW)I love it when my wife does me. Why? There is a thrill to see a woman in such a dominant position and to see her taking that position seriousy. I like it when she takes control. So is that wrong? Sometimes she leads when we dance and decides what movie we go to. I don't know how that upsets the universe; to have one in the position to lead while the other follows, especially if it is done with agreement and the roles change with the wind.

I don't prefer the whole sucking on a strap -on thing because it isn't touching any "sex-nerve" and is all for show, but my wife gets off on the visual so I do it.

Its all about the sensation in the anus and watching my wife bang me. Hot as hell if you let yourself get into it.

Now I realise that there are lots of posters in this forum saying "ewwww gross", but they read it anyway and respect my desire, perhaps with judgement and a pledge that they would never do such a thing, but who cares? It's my body my sex life and my marriage.

All that said, what do I say when the inevitable accusation of being gay comes forth? "It's not like I want some dude doing it."

And it's true. It wouldn't be what my _wife_ does to me and a guy just don't turn me on.
Have I eaten my own cum? sure, somewhere somehow. I don't make it a point to remember these things, but do I want to see some other guy swallow his? Not really.
But if my wife said it would turn her on I'd do it in a heartbeat.

second point, this board is where people talk about porn. Porn is a product. It is enjoyed in the privacy of your own home. If it doesn't turn you on it isn't doing what you paid for. This BS about "face your homophobia" is just that BS. If you bought a lesban movie expecting nothing but hotness and there was a 5 minute interlude of some guys hairy balls bouncing, you might want to think about complaining. Hell, I'd even back you up.

A better use of your time might be to figure out who told all the kids to say that anything that they don't like is to be labeled "gay." From Ice cream to cars to stepping in dog sh_it.
<second edit break>Oh, and BTW, I think every female porn star should strap one on and do ChristianX with "Groove is in the Heart as the soundtrack. My wife likes him and I think he is the best in the genre.

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As for the rest that this thread has developed into, I don't think BustdownGal would deny you the right to not like something.

As I said earlier, I lose interest if a guy drinks his own cum in a porn movie. However kissing a woman on the mouth or licking her body after cumming on her, I don't have a problem with. That's the limit for what I enjoy and do not enjoy. And that's ok. I just don't judge other people on where they draw their lines, as long as they're not being offensive or deragatory.

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Try to look at it this way:

• A girl gets turned on on guys eating their own cum. She wants her boyfriend to do it but he refuses.


• A guy wants his girlfriend to eat his cum. She refuses.

If you agree that no one has the more right to critisize the other, we are on the right track.

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Personally, I don't think that someone eating their own cum is particularly Gay, any more than Ron Jeremy sucking his own cock is. (Why does a Dog lick his balls?) It is not, however, something I would enjoy watching and I would sincerely like to see it labled on the box, so that I can avoid it. Or, conversely, so that someone who enjoys it can buy it.

And where does the "suicide" come in, or am I missing something?

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I guess we interpret BustdownGal a bit differently. I do NOT agree with her that "we" have to eat it for our girlfriends to eat it. BUT I think she makes some good points, and the points I described were directed at people who deliberately label things as gay just because it crosses their lines.

If her critisism was directed at the majority of people posting here, I think it is misguided. But if it is directed at the few people who made the most categoric statements using the terms "gay" about things they themselves had a strong dislike for, I think she has a good case.

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BTW, in how many scenes have you watched guys masturbate in porn? Are you gay, now? You've been watching a guy stroke his cock.

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While I don't care if a guy does it. I think it's much more sexier when a girl does it.

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Dragging in Ron Jeremy sucking his own cock does nothing to disabuse me of the notion, as the subject at hand is a man having sex with a woman, then eating his ejaculate.

Obviously, a man having sex with a woman isn't usually considered homo-erotic fare. So, we've got a scene that is 99% undeniably male/female sex, with 1% open to question.

As I pointed out last time, proportionally, I don't see the difference between this and a guy jerking off to completion after having sex with a female performer. Surely, the guy jerking off is just as open to a homo-erotic interpretation as the guy eating his own ejaculate.

That being the case, I'm left wondering if people are merely applying the dubious logic that what turns them off must turn homosexual males on. Either that, or we're back to 'gay' being a code-word for bad and disgusting, which, come to think of it, might explain why BustdownGal is so upset.

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Edited by - Raoul Duke on 3/26/2007 4:12:51 AM

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