Rambing kind of question...... So there are always the hot new girls .... and then they fade out and make less content, etc . In this social media age with all its sort of metrics, and sites like this where people post and mention an actress, and videos viewed on tubesites, and people who pay for individual scenes on something like hotmoves...
So i know its an impossible task to get all those metrics into one single top ten list of popular girls for a given week.
But that would be cook, a top ten list for THAT week. like the billboard charts. "Gabbie carter top ten for 20 weeks in a row!". Crap like that.
Are there any indiddual metrics that do anthing like this ?
So many of todays models barely shoot the odd porn video before they go and look for other sources of income that are only vaguely related to porn. Is it because they weren't popular enough in the industry? Is it because they were too popular and wanted to cash in now instead of waiting until their star dimmed?
The question we need to ask is...What is popularity in this day and age? Is it the number of social media followers a woman has? Is it the number of cam shows she does? Is it the number of videos she has shot? I suspect that if a model is in demand and is willing to shoot as often as she can then I would consider her to be popular.
^ I couldn't agree more. It's difficult to gauge popularity these days as there are so many variables that can skew or mask it. A porn actress can be implicated (victim or perpetrator) in a scandal or controversy that becomes a massive trend on social media with them gaining notoriety but that does that notoriety make them popular?
You've got physical media sales and website subs but that only says so much - you've got the media through which a porn actress sells her own content. OnlyFans, ManyVids and Patreon pages but then you've got custom content which I doubt a porn actress would be inclined to give detailed information about sales. Do you decide someone is less popular if she doesn't sell through one of those media?
Even with Mindgeek owning so much of the industry, there's so much industry fragmentation that I doubt you'd get unanimous co-operation in data sharing.
I'd genuinely be impressed if somebody could devise a definitive popularity index that produces little contention.
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Posted - Nov 18 2019 : 6:08PM
Some available metrics:
1) Pornhub rankings (though I believe these tend to favor more established performers over newer ones) 2) Instagram Followers 3) Twitter Followers 4) Number of scenes shot in x period of time 5) If she has a Reddit page, how active is it? 6) If she has an ADT thread, how active is it? 7) How many subscribers in her snapchat, onlyfans, etc.? 8) If she does cam shows, how many people watch? 9) Name recognition outside of porn? 10) Google search numbers on her name (are these available?)
None of these metrics are perfect on their own, but if I were an analyst somewhere in the sex industry and I wanted to know who the most popular girls are, this is the sort of data I would try to put together to get a broad picture. What these numbers really won't tell you though, is which new girls are up and coming. Or rather, they will tell you that if you understand that you need to separate newer girls from more established performers in your analysis. Basically, you want to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.
Those are all great suggestions and yet don't you think most are so useless because they mean almost nothing.
1-How believable are rankings when they come from one of the biggest content thieves on the planet whose parent company has a vested interest in promoting specific performers/scenes.
2-Instagram followers means very little because we don't know if they are all real and maybe most of those followers don't pay for porn so who cares what these people say.
3-See above reply.
4-Now this one is impossible to argue and probably the best one to use but unless the performers works for multiple years than will her popularity be more or less short term.
5-I have no idea what having a Reddit page mean but if it's anything like Instagram or twitter than I have already said why it means very little.
6-All I need to saw on this one is Mia Melano. A flash in the pan performer who worked for one studio and has shot less than 10 videos in a year before leaving has a thread that makes most popular performers look like like poor cousins.
7-A good one but how believable is the info and can it be verified
8-That would make her a popular cam model but not necessarily a popular performer.
9 and 10 mean very little because they don`t necessarily mean that she is a popular performer.
Even when you combine these with other metrics, they're not a reliable or consistent measure. Especially on Instagram, porn actress accounts are deleted with prejudice so you can have extremely erratic follower counts when accounts are created, deleted and remade.Being well known outside of your field isn't a measure of how popular you are. Especially outside of North America, I would put money on more people being aware of Harvey Weinstein now than before he was exposed. Would you say he's popular?
^True but don't you think that just adds insult to injury that they have to do that. I mean it's not like they aren't aware that some of their content is already on the site and I doubt that they don't know that it was stolen. The fact that it was stolen from the people who already paid them for that content is irrelevant because those people can't afford to lose money and stay in business and if they go so does the chance of those women to shoot more porn for them.
So basically performers have to use the services of the people who stole their work to get more traffic and maybe hoping that they will stop stealing from them but sadly I doubt that thought ever crosses the mind of PH owners. They may be called Mindgeek but they are neither.
Fitting for this time of the year , I have created the threads for AVN and XBIZ nominees ( Press release - forum ) , which include best newbies .
For my taste the lists are much too short , but I understand that they must keep it like that because of the many sub-categories .
__ There is also the Freeones ranking list , but it is not very reliable , and not very user-friendly either .... ( + no separate list for best newbies )
Edited by - airtight_fanatic on 11/22/2019 4:14:59 PM
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Posted - Nov 28 2019 : 2:53PM
With my list of metrics that I suggested, the idea was to look at the totality, not necessarily each individual metric and how reliable it is. Most of your more sophisticated data types understand that there is lots of messy data out there and how easily certain data points can be misunderstood. But, if you're looking at a wide range of data points, and you're doing so from the intelligent, informed, and even skeptical perspective of someone that actually understands the industry that he or she is examining, then you can probably come to some helpful conclusions.