Commonly referred to as "sex negative" which means demeaning or belittling that which even only to the slightest degree is sexually suggestive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6w05A2nPAE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6w05A2nPAE While championing sex positivism here may be preaching to the choir, I feel this latest social media brouhaha is worth exploring. I want to know what you guys make of Zoie Burgher, a popular game-caster (someone who plays video games and streams the experience, usually to a channel of viewers via Twitch or some other streaming service) who has taken flack because of her proclivity to show off her body during such streaming sessions. Personally, I don't game nearly as much as I used to, but I still have enthusiasm for the hobby. My hardcore gamer days are likely behind me, yet I find the gaming medium frequently fascinating in seeing how games have evolved over time. I appreciate the artistic aspects of them more now. Do you guys feel like the targeted attacks and complaining directed toward Zoie are merited? Does she not have a right to express herself or is she exploiting the format? Do her natural curves give her an "unfair advantage" over less endowed videogame-casters? Is she reaping what she sows, or just being hated on by envious shrews, spinsters, or petty males who are sex negative or incompetent and view her channel as a threat? Pretty cute. Reminds anyone of Aiden Starr? You may still be wondering, but if you don't really care for video-games that much Melvyn, why take the time to dig into this trifle? Any questions?
It doesn't hurt that she actually has some wit about her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVsV6zea1w clickable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVsV6zea1w What I'm enjoying about this is how she's courting controversy from two especially trifling and intolerant, yet otherwise diametrically opposed, camps of incessant whingers. All she's done is seized the opportunity to twerk in between sick killshots and all the salty spinsters and insecure incompetents are in a tizzy. When it comes to the arena of political discourse, I admire iconoclasts like the late great Christopher Hitchens, or more recently the god-tier troll known as "Nero" aka Milo Yiannopoulos. When it comes to less serious matters, say the realm of virtual hobbies, maybe what the world actually needs is an iconoclasst. There's a funny idiom popularized by the Tony Scott's 1986 quintessential military recruitment reel and box office smash, Top Gun, spat out by salty character actor James Tolkan most people will remember as Principal Strickland from the Back to the Future series, which chastises Tom Cruise's Maverick. "That guy's ego is writing checks his body can't cash!" In Zoie's case, it seems her critics are trying to take her to task as if to say her body is writing the checks that her ego cannot cash. As if Zoei's booty clapping antics are unearned, because she must be some kind of vapid piece of eye candy. But this makes me wonder, in the eyes of these sex-negative critics, is it even possible for the intellectual to redeem the titillating? Or does the latter always negate the former, and thereby invalidate ones legitimacy for anything other than smut? If a Nobel Prize winner, patron of the fine arts, and most generous charitable donor to his or her alma mater one day decides he'd also like to sponsor some kind of program like "strippers for school" where he doubles every dollar earned by strippers using their income to finance their enrollment in college, and donates the proceeds to ugly obese students who cannot find such lucrative means to their financial ends, and like most students end up saddled with insurmountable debts - would this make said philanthropic scholar's achievement less valuable? Please bear in mind, the tortured logic of this isn't meant as a realistic thought experiment so much as hyperbole that poses the conflicting extremes which are supposedly at odds here. Sam Harris and other articulate debaters make use of such extremes in attempts at "steel-manning" the best arguments that can arise when entertaining the devil's advocate viewpoint. Ask yourself, where does this sort of thinking ultimately lead us to? Or can it not be had both ways?
games are a toxic ass community, a majority of women streamers get tons of shit. Everything from they're not real gamers to they're just attention seeking whores who can't play. Its so damn annoying. Like who cares what they're wearing when they stream. People enjoy it and sub to their stream to watch. Its not hurting anyone else at all. Hell, its not even making a dent in popular opinion about games themselves. ----Dread's Twitter----
No doubt, but I believe they get a lot more attention and favorable special treatment by dint of merely being born female. The favoritism far outweighs the yawn-inducing so-called "sexism." Seriously. For any one instance of a guy being "sexist" and "harassing" a female gamer, there is a dozen of white knights that will run to her rescue and shower her in gifts. Just look at the whole "wishlist" phenomenon. You want to talk about disgusting. Even if I knew I could get fans to just pour gifts on me, I'd never ask. But certainly the gaming community is no more "toxic" than the porn community - again, one which enormously favors women. Women get paid more, and on top of that, every other pornstar has a "wishlist" and pretty much anything they want will be paid for by other people in return for nothing - maybe an acknowledgement. "Thanks for the new designer boots Dustynuts69!" Please. They already make 2 or 3 or 5 or sometimes 10 times as much money for doing the same job as men do. Female gamers will get 10 times the attention, and likely 100 times the amount of gifts. All they gotta do is tell people what they want. So I'm not really seeing the other side of this argument. I made a lot of friends playing PC games online, including many female gamers. Logged thousands of hours over the past decade playing online with hundreds of friends among communities of hundreds of thousands of players. I could honestly say the ratio of "negative attention" versus "positive attention" was more or less the same in what I'd observed. The main distinction was attention overall was a lot higher for them. All they have to do is know how to be a human being online, block the minority of trolls, and just game on. It really is not hard. You could ask any of the girls I gamed with and they'd tell you how fucking easy it is to get what they want.I honestly don't think I've ever observed any female gamer being harassed that way - even when such attention seekers are present with their entourage of sycophants. It's a weak and bitchass argument to make that's not even worth making when it's self-evident, and even less worth making when it's only suspected. Cuz it just makes the guy criticizing her look weak. It does happen that the attention seekers I've observed typically did lack skills, whereas the really good gamers were usually the silent type - and that applied to females as much as males. The best female players I've come across were rather quiet. As far as attention seekers, honestly they were fairly few and far between, same as trolls. If you find yourself coming across a lot of trolls, or immersed in them, you're probably in a shit community in the first place. You just have to find a better one, and no, not all gaming communities are alike - just as not all games are alike. Some attract different kinds of personalities. Fast twitch Call of Duty types of shooters attract more aggro macho manbabies than fantasy-RPG type games. But there's also hybrid games like Team Fortress 2 which have a more playful and artistic aesthetic, catering to casual players on public servers, but also highly competitive community in private servers.Yeah, but is it any wonder why male dominated arenas are rife with drooling neanderthals immediately huddled and fapping around the rare female interlopers? I think not. Especially when you factor in the age ranges of typical male gamers. But instead of vilifying the majority of gamers who are generally inoffensive and casual, demonizing "toxic masculinity" or some such fake outrage or what have you, we have to realize that male dominated arenas just so happen to be more fun for both sexes. Men aren't interested in joining female hobbies. Besides fashion, I'm actually hardpressed to even name any major female dominated hobbies. Increasingly it seems women would rather join in the arenas pioneered and primarily occupied by men. And I guarantee you 999 out of 1,000 guys are all too happy about this. The whole "intimidating" and "discouraging" narrative is bollocks. Most male gamers would bend over backwards to accommodate more female gamers. Poll the majority of male gamers on "do you want more guys in your community or more females" and I guarantee you they'd choose more females. And believe me, I only wish it was the other way around, such that arenas like sports and videogames were female dominated hobbies, where females outnumbered men 10:1. That's what I only wish it really was like, and I'd be all too eager to go back to hardcore gaming on a daily basis. Are you kidding? I'd love to be the center of so many women's attentions. Actually, the irony of the only real drawback in that scenario is being doted on too much. It's not antagonism. It's mollycoddling and sycophants. Yeah, yeah, the occasional epic-tier troll can get the better of anyone, male or female. But that's just the internet. Doesn't matter if you're gaming or Tweeting or Facebooking or Youtubing. Trolling can happen anywhere. The main distinction with gaming is that guys are at once the most competitive and by nature aggressive in terms of gameplay, but also, by and large falling all over themselves to flatter and spoil any females who show up. I'm honestly surprised more females aren't tapping into this already. It seems like most are oblivious though? Or they simply don't find videogames that interesting. Studies show that this has been changing, but they've been saying this for quite a while now and the shift seems glacial. I think most of that increase in female gamers has gone to games like The Sims or Angry Birds, basically non-competitive, non-multiplayer games or mobile games with very limited communication features. I think the problem is less "toxic masculinity" than it is apathetic femininity. It's the very same thing we see with the truth at the heart of the supposed STEM field debate. It's contended that women have less affinity for STEM fields because of "harassment" and "intimidation" and "toxic masculinity." Or it could just be women aren't as interested in those fields? Isn't that much likelier? Why is that so wrong?
LMAO I was just hearing about this on Bubba the Love Sponge. I should just look it up, but what I heard was she only gained 12 pounds, and judging from tradition, I'd say that's a good thing for a Miss Universe winner. They usually look like they could afford to put on a few pounds, and they'd get no complaints from me.
You're arguing against something i'm not saying. I'm using Toxic in the general sense. Not relaed to TRP, Feminism or masculinity. Just overall with the amount of people involved the communities turn to shit. Especially with the ones who are really vocal online. The smallest fucking thing sets people off. However, this isn't the case here it seems. It seems more personal grudge about the content of her stream from another person than just her being attacked in general. Once other popular personalities got involved it snowballed into something it shouldn't. (personally i'd watch her stream because her ass is great, but I don't like watching streams anyway) Also, I think you're underestimating how many women do play these hardcore games online, but don't speak a word. I mean I doubt out of the millions of users on XBL and PSN (and over on the PC where LoL and such are popular) are mostly male. Law of averages and all that.
Are there any of those Youtube personalities that you find to be of good quality? That Boogie2988 guy seems pretty keen. He has an alternate personality called "Francis" basically a parody of a hardcore typical maladjusted video game nerd, and that's what I think put him on the map. I remember there was a time when I watched those earlier videos of Francis and I actually believed that was how he normally was. His actual persona is very rational and personable though. I don't follow all the inside-baseball talk regarding Magic or World of Warcraft, but just to keep a thumb on the general pulse of the video game scene he's good to check in with and digest a few minutes. But lol I have no idea how you don't reckon that the majority of gamers are male. Especially among hardcore gamers. I realize more and more female gamers are entering the fray in waves, but there's a lot of quiet guys too. I'd wager most gamers in general are still "quiet" by which I mean totally silent and don't even bother using voice comm. But most are male still. It might not be that wide of a gap, but for the last games I remember playing regularly, like Counter-Strike: GO, it seemed to be male to female about 15:1. For TF2 it seemed about 10:1, if even that. Do you suspect female gamers are less interested in attention than the average non-gaming female? And this is why most opt not to talk? What about this forum? I wonder how many female users are on here who simply choose not to identify themselves sexually. I wish there were more females here. Edited by - Melvyn on 10/5/2016 1:26:26 AM
