Okay, so I love fat girls and proud of it! I've promoted local fat parties both mainstream and kinky and though I'm "semi" retired from that venture, I still love my BBW. There are some gorgeous BBW out there and some post here (I'm pretty new here). Glad that Mindee seems to keep everyone in the loop, I love that. So my question is to BBW in the industry and lovers: While I love the BBW videos and I have to admit I love that in the past 7 or 8 years they've looked more like "mainstream models", I do long for the "dirtier" aspects of videos that Loretta Sterling did, though even his videos could be dirtier. So why aren't there BBW into A2M, Bukkake etc. My dream series would be a GGG meets BBW. A guy can dream right? Is it due to so many fat girls issues with humilation and the fact that bukkake by many is considered humilation? Or spit play or A2M? Let's hear it? And if there are some out there, I'd love to know what ones. Thanks! BD
BBW vids dont necessarily 'need' DP's, blowbangs, group scenes, etc., because it's the BBW that's moving the niche without all of that stuff to begin with. so why spend the extra $200-$1000 bux per scene whenever you dont have to and still have a higher profit margin? BBW DP movies might be great for the 'core' BBW afficianado, but it's not gonna make enough difference in overall sales to shoot that kind of product. because if it did it'd already be out there, you can rest assured on that. would be nice to see more edgy plus sized content, but until someone w/a lot of money starts making it as a labor of love type project, keep dreaming. lates, Von S.
i'll throw in my $.02 - I'm a huge BBW fan but admit I'm getting frustrated at the challenge of finding edgier or more extreme content with plus sized models. It seems like there's no shortage of size-6 conventionally pretty girls who will do , but I have to search high and low just to find a plus-size model who will do an oral cumshot, let alone swallow. best i'm finding is some pro-am stuff but it's typically got poor production values (bad sound, lighting, etc). seeing very little from the professional houses. Any suggestions I'm all ears.
mindee wrote: Nice to see you comment on this. As you know, I'm all for doing the circus acts in the BBW world. I hope we get there some day!! XO Mindee [/quote] me too since I'd have a blast shooting those type of scenes, but until a company wants to put up the $$$,..:(. lates, Von S>
^So are you saying the company chiefs are "unenlightened" (aka clueless) or are you saying the fans of kinky BBW porn are too small a minority? Edited by - ninja1 on 3/22/2011 2:25:07 PM
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Posted - Mar 22 2011 : 4:00PM
VS & I have had this conversation multiple times. If I can presume to speak for him, he's saying that at this point, the niche is too small and the return is good enough to not need to spend the extra money for more involved shoots. Which disappoints me terribly since I want to be doing those kinds of shoots. But as always, money talks. XO Mindee
Mindee to the rescue, lol. she summed it up perfectly, circus acts will only drive up production costs but not sales. lates, Von S. Edited by - von_swine on 3/22/2011 5:18:11 PM
I have seen a few plump girls in GGG movies,names escape me though bukkakedaddy.Also how about checking these sites out welovebukkake.com and britishbukkakebabes.com
If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06
Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 8:58AM
@BukkakeDaddy...Regarding the original title to your thread, I did do an A2M with Dirty Harry in the Devil's Film release "I Wanna Buttfuck A Fatty #4. XO Mindee
@von_swine I keep hearing this nonsense about BBW not needing interesting scenes and Im getting rather tired of it. Im a member of numerous fat fetish communities online and almost everyone in those communities have a universal disdain for BBW porn almost entirely due to the bland boring shoots. Tons of potential customers wasted. I don't buy for a second that a more raunchy less boring BBW movie wouldn't sell enough to make up for the difference in shooting it. BBW porn could be making tons of money if you guys wanted to. You simply appear to have no interest in trying it as Mindee here has pointed out numerous times in the large BBW thread here. I used to buy lots of porn. I buy almost none now because Im tired and bored of lazy uninspired b/g BBW cumdodging tepid bullshit. You guys shoot a hardcore cum swallowing raunchy BBW movie with things like ATM and multiple guys and promote it in any way and I guarantee you it will sell very well. BBW doesn't sell well because it's currently crap. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy at this point. Little/no effort put in = little/no money.
it's fine if you feel that way. and for the most part, you're prolly right. Im just going off of my 9 years experience having worked for several (at the time) large/successful gonzo studios and seeing how each one dealt w/buyers, reviewers, fans, etc., in all genres of hardcore. so whenever you dont wanna believe what 'I' have to say about why certain types of porno aren't being produced, then who are you going to believe? should I not even reply to any of these threads? Im not here to lie about anything. again, if the circus act BBW porno would drive enough sales to warrant the extra costs, dont you think you'd see numerous long established series by now? it's not not out there for a reason, maybe my theory is wrong, but it still doesnt exist and prolly wont anytime soon. Im just going on what my experience in XXX has shown me so far, so what do I really know? yeesh, tough crowd....lol lates, Von S.
I guess you must be right. Afterall, I've never heard of someone with experience lapsing into a bored, predictable, effortless haze of sameness and lack of experimentation. No sir, that never happens! Entrenched 'professionals' are absolutely known for thinking outside the box and creating new innovations to generate revenue streams from new sources especailly in porn! /sarcasm The 'it hasn't already been done so it's not worth trying' mindset is something people complain all the time on this board and it's hurting porn, and yet here you are merrily regurgitating the party line of staleness and glowing standards of mediocrity. It's a sad time to be a porn fan.
I have no problem with the man himself, just his stated philosophy of 'it hasn't been done so it's never worth doing'. Oh, and Mindee, I absolutely loved you in your I Wanna Buttfuck a Fatty scene. Good stuff.
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Posted - Mar 23 2011 : 8:10PM
Regomar... I can understand your frustration. I share it from the perspective of a performer. However, I'm in the business end as well. I'm not in a large section of the business, but in a sense, I'm on all 3 sides. In the business, as a performer and as a consumer. VS is correct about the business size. The adult business in general is in a tough slump. In general, the money is just not there right now. It doesn't mean that it won't be in the future, but right now it is not. It doesn't matter if you are selling soup, cars or pussy, if the money isn't there, you are not going to risk precious money if the return isn't there. A producer isn't going to pay 3 times the cost of production, knowing full well that the sales are not going to increase 300% as a result of it. You do that one too many times and you won't be in business at all. As a performer, I've done the standard fuck & suck. I'm tired of it, I want to do more edgy things. I have never been in porn for the money. Yes, the money I make is OK, but I do it because I like it. So, if I'm doing it because I like it, I'd like to be doing things that I like to do. Right now that isn't happening. If you don't like Von Swine's answers, let me tell you, that I've discussed this same issue with Brandon Iron, Anton Fury and Steve Nelson. They all essentially agree with VS. It's just the way things are now. As a consumer, I again understand your frustration. However, I an not just BBW-centric. I like watching women like Bella, Kelly Wells, Audrey Hollander & Annette Schwartz get crazy. Would I like to watch some big ladies do the same thing? Absolutely yes! Now here's something else for you to consider. You say that you are a member of a number of the "big lady" boards. The largest part of the women on those boards are PRUDES. Sorry, but it's true. They have long, long lists of "I Won't Do This". So one of the reasons that you don't find more women who are doing the down & dirty stuff, is that they themselves are too straight to get into the kind of shoots that you want to see. The biggest genre on the BBW boards is "Watch me burst out of my clothes". Boring, boring, BORING!!! You can't shoot the edgy circus acts if there's nobody willing to do them. I was once told by a producer that I was one of the few BBWs who would actually do anal. There is a complete lack of BBW women who want to get as nasty as Belladonna. I would say that VS & I and others hear what you have to say. I'd like to think things will change, but right now, you have to be a savvy consumer and pick what you think is the best. XO Mindee
Fair enough Mindee... I understand that business is bad right now in all areas of the economy. I wasn't trying to demand that things are done right away, merely that they be considered and not immediately dismissed out of hand. The dismissal is what got to me, not lack of immediate gratification. I enjoy Belladonna and Kelly as well (matter of fact, Bella's girl on girl stuff is the only g/g stuff I've ever really enjoyed) but my primary attraction is to heavy women. I like it in real life and I like it in porn. I'd rather see gorgeous curves and bellies any day over a skinny as a rail girl. As for BBW boards, yes, alot of them are as you describe, but most of the BBW groups I am on are sub groups of fetish websites like the many BBW groups on fetlife.com. Trust me, there are some delightful kinky BBWs on there. Sure, the prudes are still around a bit, but in lesser force. I've met a decent amount of people from there in person, and they are quite kinky, so they DO exist :)
regomar wrote:why waste the time, so you can again choose to not believe it? no thanx. you dont want to hear the truth anyways, which was already laid out in my initial post. lates, Von S.
Almost forgot this thread Mindee I am going to search that hopefully it's a stream and I hope there's lots of kissing after A2M. I would love to see some BBW T-Girl stuff as well.
Thanks Mindee, that's one of my smaller BBW lovers who just happened to just order take out Chinese and I Wanna Buttfuck A Fatty 4 for me on VOD :) I'll let you know if I like it (I'm sure I will) :)
Mindee and VS, I'm interested in listening and understanding. I understand why some of the extreme scenes involving more than B/G don't get made with BBW because the additional talent all adds cost. 3some or GB or BlowBangs add headcount. More talent cost, more admin cost, longer shoot times, etc. These extra costs come out of the profits and don't add to the sales. But if you're just shooting B/G with a BBW, what's wrong with adding anal or ATM or gap or any of the other more extreme sexual activities and just not offer to pay extra for them. If the talent wants the work, great, if not maybe someone else does. I understand these extras normally command premiums, but these aren't normal times. I've offered talent less at times and let them decide if they want the work. These are not union jobs paying union rates. I don't shoot 3somes or 4somes because I don't get paid more for the scene. If it costs me more, I make less. My only justification is if it allows me to sell another scene, even if I make a little less on it.
That's pretty good! I just finished watching the whole thing. It's pretty tame as GGG goes, but it's still pretty good. Plagued by the girl not taking off her top fully and hidden bellies which is stupid, but other than that it's pretty quality. Doesn't really reach bukkake levels though. A nice step in the right direction!
Was this post ever addressed? Would it really cost so much that it would be considerably less profitable to simply have a bbw take 2 cocks and swallows the loads, for example? And furthermore, what if you did bring in 5 guys to gangbang a bbw, sure it would cost more, but how much more, and how much could this possibly cut into profits if the film sells a fair number of copies. I for one believe its highly likely that such a dvd would sell alot as it would be a must have for viewers who love bbw's and hardcore content.
Introducing Kalani Luana
Posted - Mar 20 2011 : 8:29PM
