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tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD


Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Oct 17 2001 : 10:09PM
Well, due to MANY requests at sites like this one, Evil Angel has changed it's chapter menu format to have a few less target choices, but many more chapters.

For example, target buttons 1-12 may each include 5 chapters for a total of 60 chapters in the movie.

Before, we had about 15 chapters that each had a target button.

Now, I've already gotten a few complaints, such as in Victorio's review of Buttman's Bend Over Brazilian Babes 3 (too many chapters)/i].

It seemed like the majority of people would have been satisfied to have more chapters, even if not all of them had a motion picture choice equivalent in the chapter menus.

So, what do you all think, and what do you think is a good and feasible solution? Because our authorer basically told us that we couldn't add more pages that had to be rendered (ie: NO additional targets) or he would raise our price. And I don't think that's a good idea, because then I'd have to raise the customer's price, which I'm not willing to do.

astroknight All-Star Supporter
Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Oct 17 2001 : 10:22PM
Personally, I thought Evil Angel had things broke down with their chapters about right. Normally three to five chapters per scene seems about right (one for each oral, pussy, ass, and pop). If there's a setup part to the scene, I'd also put that as a seperate chapter.
Michael Saint
Photographer

Alexis Texas is always lovely
1062 Posts
2/01
Posted - Oct 18 2001 : 6:19AM
I think Astro has it broken down pretty good. The only thing I would add is maybe a chapter for a particular fetish that happens in a scene so you can jump right to that but in all honesty the five astro mentioned should cover it nicely.
dexplorer
Member

442 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 18 2001 : 9:31AM
I agree with Astro and Lee.

The exact number of chapters will depend upon the nature of the scenes and sex I think.

There should be a chapter stop at the very beginning of each new scene of course. (Some DVD's from other studios actually don't do this, but start somewhat later into them. Really irritating.)

Then there should be a chapter break where the sex first starts or starts getting hot. Then another one or two for your fetish menus - when anal begins , and for just before the cum shot. Actually, I think the fetish menu stops should in each case be just before the fetish activity occurs, so you get it's initiation down well.

But I don't think there should be more than three or four chapter stops per scene. As little as two (beginning and the sex first heats up) could be good too.

60 does seem like too many to me. The reason why is that it makes it kinda difficult to chapter jump from say scene one to the next one you really liked, say scene 4, without going out to the chapter menu, but only using the chapter button (which is much faster).

I tend to like best somewhere between about 12 and 25 or so chapter stops. With your fetish menu approach it will be at the higher side for you guys. Probably not more than 30 at most. (I don't use the fetish menus per se much at all, but others do I know, so I wouldn't suggest changing it..) What I do use is jumping forward to the next hot bit.

Only as many as 30 if you had something like as many as 8 or10 different scenes on the DVD. Again, the yardstick of between 2 and 4 per scene (or I guess 5 but that's pushing it) is really the better way of looking at it. Any more and it gets to be a pain to jump forward a couple of scenes just using the chapter button, without going out to the main menu.

It's GREAT that you ask for feedback like this Tricia.

Speelie
Senior Member

Fort Collins, CO
1191 Posts
5/01
Posted - Oct 18 2001 : 1:26PM
I have seen the additional chapter format in Animal Trainer 6, and I'm not sure what I think. I'll need to see some more DVDs with this to be sure. So far, I'm starting to think that there are too many chapters. More chapters than in the past is good, but AT6 had too many, and it becomes difficult to navigate. But as I watch and think more, I may come to like it.
How's that for wishy-washy?
 
dexplorer
Member

442 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 18 2001 : 2:04PM
Just about perfect.
BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - Oct 18 2001 : 5:32PM
More chapters are great,

I was watching a Seymore Butts DVD, it has over 40 chapters, now this might be a little on the extreme side, but you can skip the stuff you don't want to see, and go to the stuff you do want to see, without missing anything good.

Though with Evil Angel, there's not much you would want to miss.

I am a Die-hard EVIL ANGEL fan, you guys are the best! I can't say anything bad about you!

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Oct 19 2001 : 3:35PM
I forgot to mention that each chapter starts at the beginning of a new sex position. Someone had made this suggestion to me because that way, you can flip through a scene and know that you're not missing any of the different things.
Also, we identify the chapters that go into each target button on the chapter menu.
For example:
Target 1 Chapter 1 Opening Credits
Target 2 Chapters 2-7 Monica Sweetheart
Target 3 Chapter 8 Cumshot
Target 4 Chapters 9-16 Sophie Angel and Monica Moore
Target 5 Chapter 17 Cumshots

And so on for all of the scenes.

Since we identify the chapter numbers that start each scene, if you take a peek at the chapter menus once before you start looking at the movie, you will be able to see where the start of each scene is, and you can quickly skip a scene that you may not like at all.

Finally, this is a necessary step for us to start taking the fetish menu DIRECTLY from the encode of the movie. Right now, most of our titles have the fetish menu clips as being encoded separately. This takes up a lot of room on the disc, so we can't have a very big fetish menu. If we take it right from the movie encode, no extra space is used, which leaves space for a much higher quality picture as well as some more bonus footage.

Does that help explain why we did it? And is it enough of a reason for you as a consumer to put up with the extra chapters?

astroknight All-Star Supporter
Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Oct 19 2001 : 4:04PM
Okay, sounds fine. I normally don't pay that much attention to the chapters, but it sounds like a great reason. Once again, great job Tricia!
Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Oct 19 2001 : 4:34PM
More chapters is ALWAYS better.
tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Oct 19 2001 : 7:17PM
astro- you're so easy!!!!
How's that for forward??!!!!
Tricia (the Queen of Tease)
dexplorer
Member

442 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 21 2001 : 12:28PM
Tricia --

I'll get back to you here with more feedback after I've actually SEEN one of Evil Angels new hyper chaptered DVD's.

I've got Animal Trainer 5 & 6 sitting on my shelf, so it's a matter of getting my butt in gear.

But... I've got some videos that I need to review first, so ...

luke j. chung
New Member

1 Posts
9/01
Posted - Oct 24 2001 : 12:06AM
In the nearly 5 years since DVD reached store shelves, I've found that the learning curve on making the disks both user-friendly and high quality vary widely, to say the least! Evil Angel waited longer than most of the porn providers, but made sure that the disks were done right in terms of picture & sound, as well as providing good "bells & whistles" for their menus, chapter stops, etc. The fact that you can not only jump from one scene to another, but target a chapter within a scene for your favorite part of the action rates very highly with me and is quite useful.



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