I noticed that Joey Silvera's Service Animals 20, out next week, is billed as 5 hours and 55 minutes! 13 starlets are featured. Bring it on, Joey.
I have literally nodded off, wood in hand, during a few Jules Jordan videos. Nevertheless, I like long scenes if they're good, and 20 more minutes of Keri Sable or Christie Lee with JJ would be fine by me.
Good wanking is like the Tour of France. Its all about endurance.
If these guys were just stretching scenes out in order to make 2 disc movies, I would agree with the complaints. But, IMO, they're not. They're both adding additional scenes and leaving in footage that I had always believed was being cut in the past due to time constraints rather than because it was the edit that they wanted.
Way back when, I noted that nearly every Evil Angel title was 2 hours 19 minutes. Coincidentally, this was the maximum limit of quality video tape. I had always assumed that the Evil Angel editors first edited a scene for content and then once they had all of the scenes for a movie put together, they would then edit to get the movie down to 2:19. I'm pretty sure that I was right.
I just love the fact that they don't need to do this anymore. Even more, I love the fact that when Jules does go longer than a single DVD will allow, he then adds more content. The same goes for Erik.
As far as I'm concerned, the directors should make the best movie that they can, regardless of the running time.
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 8:47PM
Jules told me at Erotic Expo that all of his releases will be two disc and one of the reasons was to discourage pirating. I happen to feel the same as you, Bill. There were a lot of times that scenes seemed unnaturally short and edited for time constraints. Watch any Cumback Pussy, Whack Attack or Nasty Nymphos scene and you realize that they're almost highlight reels compared to contemporary wall to wall sportfucks. I don't understand why companies like NS/DS don't stretch themselves out past two hours.
It is less expensive to buy a 2-disc set than to buy 2 separate DVD titles, which is what I would probably do if these are split in two. I don't mind the 2-disc sets for that reason, but I would like to see some single disc releases mixed in to some of these series. For instance, the past 2 Service Animals releases (#19 and #20) were both 2-disc sets. I am hoping #21 due out in September will be a single disc, but I doubt it.
As far as long scenes, Rocco Siffredi is notorious for having long scenes in his movies. As a result, there are sometimes only 3 scenes on a 3 hour DVD.
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Aug 20 2005 : 3:21PM
threesomebody - yes, Service Animals 21 will be 2 discs, but I believe that Hellcats 8 from Joey the following month will be a single disc (although I'm not 100% sure yet).
I have a twist for all of you... John Stagliano's next Buttman movie is coming out in September. It's called Buttman's Ass Adoro. John shot an AMAZING scene this past year in Brazil with Gina Jolie, Lorena and Jazz Duro. John didn't stop talking about it for months. When he edited the scene, it was almost 2 hours long. He edited it some more and it was still over 1 and 1/2 hours. So, John talked to the sales department at Evil Angel and said he wanted to release it as a single scene which would be 100 minutes long. It will also have some behind the scenes and some extra sex. This single disc will sell for less money than Evil Angel's other single disc movies. I've watched this whole scene - and especially for Buttman fans, I think they're REALLY going to love it. It's everything that we love about Buttman movies. Girls in body-hugging Brazilian clothes, face sitting, ass cheeks ALL over the place, and great sex with people who just want to fuck. The trailer's up on www.evilangel.com. I hope that people will understand that John didn't want to cut out the natural flow of what was happening between the people in the scene. It's a beautiful thing to watch.
I totally agree with guys in here complaining about lenght. Just because its long doesn't mean its automatically good. Good editing is one of the biggest problem as I see it. Before jumping over to internet porn I was always pissed off when watching a dvd with a real long scene and no chapter stops??? Its one thing if its a gangbang movie then I want it to an hour or longer but a "one on one" or a threesome. That's just ridicilus. Its something wrong when I am seriously consider ripping the movie digitally to cut out chunks I dont like and believe those kind of thoughts have ocurred more than once. What they do by releasing scenes with hardly any cuts in them is that they save money but get a product thats not as good. I know a lot of the guys behind these kind of shoots will motivate it by saving the reality feeling is more genuine without cuts since the viewer should be able to share the participants POV through these kind of scenes. To me its the opposite, since they dont cross cut any more I get fed up after seeing Everhard or John Strong pounding away in the same position from the same angle for 10 or 15 minutes only disrupted by hectic and brief camera movements to the girls face. I'd rather see a great scene that is edited down and uses crosscutting that is paced than these lengthy sessions.
I'd generally agree with both of those statements. At some point. scenes can become repetitive, and that is where good editing can do wonders. I have seen some 40 minutes scenes that were hot all the way through though. So I guess it can vary from film-to-film, or scene-to-scene. I try to keep in mind that good stroke material isn't always simply about intercourse. Little things that mean nothing to some, but a lot to others, tend to get lost if a good/great scene is severely edited-down. My only true beef with longer films is when I feel films are being unnecessarily stretched to 2-disks, when 1 disk will do. I've seen a few filmmakers stretch 3 hours of material to 2-disks, which is total bs IMO. Edited by - aplus on 8/4/2010 1:13:37 PM
Repetitive and mechanical is how they often fell when they just move the camera around from time to time instead of editing. The tripod is underrated as hell!
When it Cums to watching porn, the More the Merrier--more "bang for the buck," would be the expression. What I do NOT want to see, however, is the "grab ass" infantile humor and male bonding, which occurs far too often with JJ bts segments--cases in point, an Eric Everhard stage hand, once actually licked the camera lens and completely distorted the view of the ladies being filmed for the rest of the bts segment--a "minor" problem, btw, which no one had the sense to correct, then in another EE segment, some idiot "mooned" the camera, taking the viewer completely away from several naked and semi-naked women in the background. What I DO want to see, is Julia Ann, Lisa Ann, Shyla Stylez, Tory Lane, and all the other attractive model/performers used by JJ Directors, just being themselves, without those mundane interview questions, as they prepare for a scene, and something NEVER ever shown, those true to life, after-sex scenarios, when the lady lights up and inhales deeply on her cigarette, enjoying the bliss of a sexual satiation smoke--probably done by 80 to 85% of all the porn female performers, I would guestimate. GOD FORBID!--and even though, for every anti out there, theres a WANTY!"--if JJ, or any porn director, for that matter, would actually film tight camera shots of real life smokers, such as Julia Ann, Lisa Ann, Shyla Stylez or Tory Lane, lighting up and inhaling deeply on a looong all-white cigarette in all their sweat-glistening naked glory, following some explosive sex scene. Doubters to the sheer enormity of our fetish passion, Google "smoking fetish," AND, because to a great many men, the sight of a beautiful, shapely woman holding/ smoking her cigarette, either in real life or on film and clothed, semi-clothed or no-clothed, is an art form onto itself,"smoking glamour."
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 2:04PM
More than 140 minutes is too long! Sounds like someone has a short attention span. :p The only thing that these movies need is a higher production value.
In my opinion more than say 140 minutes on a single DVD is too much. I'm specifically referring to the technical video quality on the DVD. Studios such as Evil Angel, Anabolic, Jules Jordan, Kick Ass and many others try to cram too much content onto 1 disc. In some cases yes the movie is split across 2 or more discs, however, more than say 140 minutes on one disc and the video quality suffers. I would prefer say 100 minutes of pristine high bit rate video quality on one disc than say 180 minutes of merely average bit rate video. Yes there are exceptions and the skills of the encoders has a lot to do with it. Once again I stress that I'm referring to the compression artefacts introduced when studios try to stuff too much on 1 disc. I'm all for 240 minute movies or whatever but as long as it's spread out.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Apr 5 2011 : 8:21PM
I agree 100%. The industry does not put enough emphasis on picture quality, until they want to over charge for Blu-ray. Edited by - bootymeister on 4/20/2011 7:42:15 PM