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GaySatyr
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Posted - May 27 2002 : 2:14PM
This is a continuation of the PAL vs. NTSC formats thread. However, I'm devoting this one specifically to reprogrammable DVD players such as those from Sampo America (and any others I may find in the process).

First, some definitions:

  • Multi-Format - (abbreviated as MF ) - the ability of a DVD player to process both NTSC & PAL encoded television formats and deliver either signal to a single-format television set (i.e., one designed for either NTSC or PAL but not both) correctly. (For a listing of world-wide television formats, please see: World Television Format Standards)
  • Code-Free - (abbreviated as CF ) - the ability of a DVD player to process all discs regardless of their being encoded for distribution to specific world geographic regions.
    1. Region 1 - the US of A, Canada
    2. Region 2 - Western Europe, Japan, Middle East, Egypt, South Africa, Greenland
    3. Region 3 - Asian Pacific - Taiwan, Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong (except Japan)
    4. Region 4 - Mexico, South America, Central America, Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Caribbean
    5. Region 5 - Russia (okay, former Russia), Eastern Europe, India, most of Africa, North Korea, Mongolia
    6. Region 6 - China, Hong Kong
    7. Region 0 - actually, a misnomer; this is a disc with no regional coding at all
  • VCR-Friendly - (abbreviated as VF ) - the ability of a DVD player to bypass the prevalent copy protection scheme (MacroVision) encoded into many DVD discs.
  • A note on Regional Coding Enhancement (abbreviated as RCE ) - This was introduced by the Motion Picture Association of American (MPAA) as an additional mechanism to prevent CF operation of DVD players in the United States. It is not known if this feature will be adopted in other world regions. Its effectiveness depends on how the DVD player handles Region Code data - if a player never looks for the Region Code in the first place, then RCE has no bearing on operation at all.

    It appears that Sampo DVD players may be readily purchased stock in the United States and Canada as Multi-Format units but with Region 1 encoding and MacroVision enabled. They are quite inexpensive. There are currently several models:

    • DVE-611 (MSRP = US$130) - the base model
    • DVE-631CF (MSRP = US$180) - a really unique model to be discussed later - the CF in the model name indicates a Compact Flash slot in the unit for playing JPEG images created by digital cameras directly on a television - not for CF operation
    • DVE-661 (MSRP = US$200) - an enhanced model with Karaoke operation
    • DVE-662 (MSRP = US$200) - new version of the DVE-661 model
    • DVE-681P (MSRP = US$ ? - new model) - an enhanced model with progressive-scan output
    These units may also be purchased with their eeproms modified for CF and/or VF operation for a premium of about US$150 to US$250 over their Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price from a number of on-line retailers. However, it appears that with a moderate level of computer skill, one can make all the modifications himself, saving the additional cost of the altered units. Plus there are a number of additional features that can be enabled and/or added.

    Here is a link to the Sampo Products page on BUY.COM. These are MF , Region 1 units.

    Over the next several days, I will work out a step-by-step method of the modifications needed to re-program the eeprom for CF operation. It appears that the process will be really simple. Once I've completed my tests, I'll post the results.

    Be VERY careful: a number of MF DVD players still require a multi-format television set (this is true of Panasonic, Pioneer and Sony models). The Sampo MF DVD players do NOT require a multi-format television set. They will work with televisions that are standard NTSC or PAL only.

    A note on out-board television format converters: After talking with two friends whose businesses include providing video for broadcast, re-broadcast and videotape distribution the world over (they are not affiliated with each other), TenLab equipment is considered to be among the very best available. Unfortunately, it is not inexpensive.

    ~ GaySatyr

    Edited by - GaySatyr on May 27 2002

    Bill All-Star Supporter
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    Posted - May 27 2002 : 2:45PM
    Let's try to keep the Macrovision disabled (VCR Friendly) discussion out of this thread. As this function only enables the duplication of DVD's that the manufacturer does not want duplicated, by the rules of the forum, I will be required to lock this thread.

    thanks,
    Bill

    BIGmike
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    Posted - May 27 2002 : 2:45PM
    Very good of you, GaySatyr, to post this as a new topic.

    I am not too concerned about the VCR-Friendly feature, as I wouldn't make a copy of a DVD.

    But I am very interested in Multi-Region (Code-Free) and Multi-Format.

    Actually a lot of (porn) discs are all region, right?

    So that may not be a big deal, but I would really like to be able to play PAL DVDs on my NTSC television.

    I have done some looking around, at various stores that sell these Code-Free DVD players, and have found some very exaggerated prices.

    So I will continue on my quest to find DVD players that can play PAL here in the good ol' NTSC.


    ---BIGmike, over and out!---


    Edited by - BIGmike on May 27 2002

    GaySatyr
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    Posted - May 27 2002 : 3:28PM
    Not a problem. All further discussion of VF operation and/or modification is hereby suspended.
    Yes. Most porn (but not all) is region-free.
    That is possible with all four of the current Sampo models in their non-modified, off-the-shelf configurations - as long as the DVDs you are playing are indeed Region-Free DVDs.
    The "charge" for CF (and other) modification varies from about US$150 to about US$250, raising the price of the unit accordingly. This accounts for the wild price variations you've found.

    ~ GaySatyr

    Planet Sex
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    Posted - May 27 2002 : 7:14PM
    The only code-free, macrovision-off, VCR-friendly DVD Player than I can speak of is my PIONEER DVD-333. It even plays german PAL on my Tri-norm TV set (Pal-M (brazilian)/Pal-G/NTSC) in perfect color, PROVIDED that it´s hooked on the component video output (on the S-Video input I get the image, but it´s in black and white).


    A VCR-friendly player IS good in the case you want (or need to) to hook the DVD, VHS and Home-Theater in direct mode. You don´t need it necessarily to pirate a DVD (copying a DVD to a VHS makes no much sense, since the image loss is huge), but if you´re using the connection DVD-to-VHS (to get TV signals, cause some DVD players have no RF receptor) to TV, it´s better to off the Macrovision in order to avoid interferences.


    .....

    Blasphemy? Before what God? A God repulsed by the miserable humanity He created in His own image? I will not be shackled by the failures of your God. The only blasphemy is to wallow in insignificance. I have taken the refuse of your God and I have triumphed. There! There is MY creation!


    Edited by - Planet Sex on May 27 2002

     
    Bill All-Star Supporter
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    Posted - May 27 2002 : 8:15PM
    When you consider that an RF-Modulator or a video switcher only costs between $25 & $50 US, A Macrovision hack makes no sense for this purpose.

    I don't know if I could have been any clearer in my earlier post regarding the discussion of Macrovision.

    This thread is being closed.

    Gay Saytr,
    Please feel free to copy your original post (minus the Macrovision section) and start this thread all over again.

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