For anyone who might seek out that Cover My Face scene, just a word of warning. For my tastes, I didn't like it. I don't mean that to bag on Brandon. Lord knows in his own threads I have expressed how much I like some of his work, but Mackenzee was really not into getting a facial which just killed it. She starts the scene off very enthusiastically, seems to get a bit overwhelmed (understandable) and when we come to the facials, her face has an expression of revulsion. Brandon realizes it and when it is all over, asks her why she agreed to do the scene if she wasn't into it. The ending just felt unpleasant to me. Brandon had in some ways wasted his money and Mackenzee had not had a good time. I take no pleasure in seeing someone doing something they loathe and so the scene is ultimately a bust. Now that I have thought it over, I believe he postscripts the scene that she left the industry 2 days later than the scene. Anyway, Brandon still has lots of good scenes on his site, just not this one. For a good online Mackenzee scene, go to Pure18.com.
Trust me, I did everything in my power to make the scene work. She was just miserable that day. She is a beautiful young lady but for some reason decided to be more than a little difficult. I don't respect that but what can you do. It's only porn. I think she came back into the industry but I have not met up with her.
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Posted - Oct 6 2007 : 1:07AM
I think she was miderable about taking 8 shots to the face. And be honest, you were really harsh to her.
I don't think Brandon was overly harsh on her, but there is a certain expectation when you contract for something like this scene. Brandon, I have to assume from what I've seen, went into this as a business arrangement. There are certainly variables, but in the end, you don't go into a blowbang for a site called Cover My Face and not know what is coming. I feel for Mackenzee if she got in over her head, but in the end, there is little to figure out in a scenario like this. If a girl doesn't like cum on her face, don't agree to do a multiple facial scene. She knows now, so godspeed in the future.
I think she is one of the hottest girls in porn but her acting is lame and she do seem to like it but not love it! hopefully she will improve!
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Posted - Oct 6 2007 : 1:08PM
I mean she reacted the way 99% of girls would. Most girls don't like any cum on they're face, especially 5 loads. He could of been nice and been like just clean up it's okay, but instead he tormented her while she still had jizz all over her face, pretty humiliating.
You're probably right. A lot of girls (I doubt 99%, but a lot) wouldn't like it. Could Brandon have been nicer about it, sure he could have. As I said before, I don't hold it against her and I'm sorry if she had a bad time or got in over her head, but we need to look at this from Brandon's POV as well. How much money do these girls get paid to do something like this (I don't know exactly)? Mechanically speaking, she had to know what was to happen during the scene and she made the decision that it was worth the amount of money she was to earn. So she is perfectly willing to take Brandon's money, but when she gets to the scene and finds it isn't her thing, she looks like someone killed her cat. In a scenario like this, I think she should have tried to shoot the scene as best as she could and then now having more knowledge, don't do another in the future. In reality, she fulfilled her contract by performing, but when you look at the finished product, little effort is there which makes it not worth the money spent on her (and results in flawed product). I don't mean for any of this to sound inconsiderate. As I said, I feel for her situation and hope she is fine now, but we cannot neglect Brandon's position as an employer who went into this in good faith.
I am one of the easiest guys to shoot for. I really don't expect much...really. Just show up, have a good time, and get paid. It's simple. On some sets you wait around for hours. I don't feel I was harsh in the least. I honestly wanted to know why she went so far out of her way to be difficult. There are plenty of girls who want to work in this business and I feel it is a waste of everyone's time to agree to do something, then deliberately spoil it. It wasn't even the case that she just tolerated the loads. I could handle a reaction like that. She bobbed and weaved and scrunched up her face in disgust as if to connote that this was a horrible experience for her. That's not cool. That's not what she is paid to do. It's called performing because, well, it's performing. You should at least act like you want to be there. Is this too much to ask?
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Posted - Oct 6 2007 : 5:45PM
She didn't get and and scream stop. I have been given head by girls that scrunch up their face when I cum and I think it is actually really cute. I think that kind of blatant performing like a seal, that oh I am loving this is kind of lame. She gave a natural reaction, which is rare in profesional porn. You kind of fell into the creepshow porn producer sterotype by lambasting her for what was her visceral reaction.
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Posted - Oct 6 2007 : 5:48PM
I also don't want to claim to be some kind of moralist, I jack off to bukkake scenes. I just think it was unecesarry to interigate her while still had cum all over her face.
ragingbull: We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, however, it's my production and I have the right to expect a certain level of performance from the people who are working for me. I know other producers who have just cancelled a shoot where there is attitude and sent people home. Perhaps that would have been a better option but I don't think it's hard to do a relatively short gig. It is, afterall, a job. She's not paid to do an interpretive dance or give a visceral reaction. She's paid to entertain the members of www.covermyface.com and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the overwhelming majority of the members want to see a happy performer taking facials and into it.
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Posted - Oct 7 2007 : 9:55PM
I think your off base on two counts: 1. You couldn't have "sent her home" since she didn't start reacting negatively until the cum was being launched on her face. So it was a little late to just cancel the shoot. She even said sorry after you said "please don't do that again" referring to her wiping cum off her face. 2. I think a lot of people enjoyed this scene because it was so real. That is part of what gets bukkake fans off that multiple guys cuming on a girl's face is something 98% of girls would find gross. Its a form of sexual humiliation, which is fine many humans like this. Look at S&M. 3. I have no problem with bukkake, I think something about cum on a girl's face is very primal and hot. My problem is that you were pretty mean to her when it was just her natural reaction. You should have said, "ok honey you don't have to do it again, shower and forget about it." Instead, you took humiliation to a new degree by lambasting her while she still had cum all over her face and was even trying to wipe it out of her eyes. Edited by - ragingbull on 10/7/2007 9:56:44 PM
hey guys its mackenzee pierce.... thanks for all your support! i love all my fans sooo fucking much. i didnt not quit the biz.... that was shot last dec... one of my first shoots.... here is the truth. i didnt like that shoot. i didnt know what i was getting into brandon down played it wheni was with a shity agent.... i was in a bad mood before arriving on set, i had just finished my first anal scene, i was tired and hadnt eaten all day, brandon iron tore me 2 days previous and only paid me 400 bc "he considerded the shoot a blow job scene" however we did fuck so there for i was ripped off... i was very very sore and upset i was shooting for the asshole who just ripped me off. i got paid only 500 for that so its not like he lost out on a huge chunk of money. he also had the balls to ask me if the guys could fuck me when the camera wasnt rolling to get them to cum quicker... hmmm sounds like he was trying to pull another fast one. and he didnt try and make the scene go quicker or smoothly, what you dont see is when the camera was turned off he was yelling at me to the point where one male talent the black guy said "hes just an ass hole blow him off" so thats my side i have not quit porn i have actually been shooting or some awesome companies recently i just made box cover for teenage anal princess 7 which was shot like 3 weeks ago...does that sound like i quit porn... no he is a stupid fuck hole who gets off on patronizinf women and degrading them... eh to each thier own right he uses that to make up for not being a real man... he can go fuck him self. i plan on staying in porn for a while. so dont always belive what is said, go straight to the horses mouth... mm k! love you all here is my new myspace by the way my others were delted. i dont know the exact url but myspace search me mackenzee pierce! i will be trying to start a website soon.
You are a fucking retard. (Sorry, mods. I figure if she can call Brandon a stupid fuck hole, then I should be able to do the same. We are selective with enforcing the rules around here. And I gave a prime example why she is a fucking retard with the statement I quoted.)
I hope this is the end of this. Mackenzee: I may not be a real man in your opinion but I am man enough to say you are a beautiful woman who was probably just having a bad day that particular day. That's the kindest way to put it. There's not need to resort to name calling. I can say you are beautiful and still say you were a terrible performer that day and not be a hypocrite. They can both be true and I am sorry if it hurts your feelings. You say you didn't like the shoot. Fine. That is an understatement. I don't like going to the dentist but I just do it. I don't go out of my way to ruin what I am there to do. To say you didn't know what you were getting into is a blatant lie and you know it. The shoot was explained to you fully and completely. I think it's more believable that you wished you hadn't agreed to do it. It's much easier to understand. You said you were in a bad mood before you arrived on set. You continued your bad mood throughout the shoot and this was not appreciated. Had you told me to order you food, I would have got you food. Had you told me any single thing to put you in a good mood, I would have done it. If we are being honest, let's just say that there was nothing that could have been done to make you happy at that particular time. Please don't say that you would have been good had you been paid more money. That makes you appear to be nothing more than a hooker and you clearly are not one. Clearly. I did not know that I tore you and you choose now to use that as an excuse as to why you were miserable during an oral scene. I kind of understand the logic....but kind of don't. Was the tear in your pussy or the part of your head that controls free will? Please don't be so quick to downplay the significance of your modelling fee. There were other costs involved, too, including the guys and the agent's fee. I often do not make what you make when I work for others so please don't say it's not a lot. To me, it's enough that I would have preferred to hire another model or just not waste it. That's my fault, though, not yours. If you haven't learned it yet, let me teach you something: give 100% to everyone who wants you in their productions. You are correct about checking with you to see if you would be willing to have sex with the guys. The reason I did this was because you were not able to talk dirty and the scene was boring. I shoot the bare minimum needed so I was seeing if there was some way to make you more alive. I would gladly have paid more to see you actively participating with the guys. I am always open to negotiating to improve things or pay what it takes to get good energy. It simply wasn't happening. If I remember correctly, you even balked at the suggestion that perhaps you could use your hands at the same time you were blowing a guy. You refused, saying it was too complicated and you needed to "focus." Fine. I apologize for hiring you a second time and trying to offer you more work. To call me an "asshole" for doing so says a lot about how you view producers. I'm an asshole. Your agent was "shity." There's a pattern of excuses to mask the simple truth that you were new, inexperienced in performing in front of a camera, and were in a situation that was probably over your head. I apologize if I raised my voice to you but I wonder if you've had any other similar experiences on set. You were not taking any direction whatsoever and all I was asking you to do is be good, use your hands, keep your eyes open, and talk dirty a little bit. Pretty stadard stuff. This was too much for you that day because you were tired, did not want to work, and I was an asshole. Pardon me? Contrary to what you think, I do not get off on patronizing women and degrading them. I've devoted years of my life and everything I've saved towards capturing beautiful women performing hot, erotic sex acts. Most women, even new performers, do not behave as you did. They apply some sort of work ethic to porn and just work as a vital part of a team. Everything centers around the woman. If you are good, the production will look good. If you are miserable, the production will be what you turned in. Either way, I'm stuck with it. "Stupid fuck hole"...."go fuck himself"...."not a real man"? Wow! I don't know how else to thank you for cashing my checks. I hope you put that money towards etiquette lessons. At the very least, go get rhinoplasty to fix that nose you look down at me from. Lastly, I am happy that you will be starting a website soon. I am excited for you! Just remember to be very cranky, don't eat, and overwork yourself on days that you shoot content, ok! You'll make millions of dollars and not have to work for any more stupid fuck holes who helped you out at the beginning.
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Posted - Oct 11 2007 : 11:25PM
Wow Brandon I didn't know you were such a prick. I mean it kind of came through in the video but now that she posts, I mean $500 to blow seven guys and have them all cum in her face, that's pretty cheap. I guess that is why you are with JM Productions. A bunch of misogynistic assholes who don't really know how to shoot anything. Sorry that happened to you McKenzie. You must be a strong girl to stay around after that. Edited by - ragingbull on 10/11/2007 11:29:18 PM
Please don't insinuate that paying more money somehow elevates a simple, quick internet update into something else. I have shot a wide variety of content with many different girls. Amy Ried even took time out of her schedule to work for a cheapskate like me. Guess whose opinion I value more?
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Posted - Oct 11 2007 : 11:35PM
I am saying $500 is pretty cheap for what she had to do. A Bukkake and you absolutely humiliate her. And calling it an internet update doesn't help your cause, she doesn't deal with that side of the business. Its not her fault you didn't have any financial backing. Edited by - ragingbull on 10/11/2007 11:36:32 PM
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Posted - Oct 11 2007 : 11:42PM
I mean you can tell from the video McKenzie is a pretty straight laced chick. She takes the loads and while she is getting them you berate her. I can only imagine what you said to her off camera. Let's look at the facts. AS bad as you want to say she behaved, she still: 1. Sucked seven cocks. 2. Let them all cum on her face. So, she wasn't that big of a bitch was she brandon? Edited by - ragingbull on 10/11/2007 11:43:23 PM
Hmmm, so if I get this right, ragingbull is saying that Mackenzee didn't know how much she was getting paid nor what she was supposed to do to get paid said amount? Wow, that truly sounds like an insult to Mackenzee. I mean, give the girl some credit. Not "taking sides" here, as I tend to lean toward seeing this as one of those "he said, she said" things. It is kinda funny, however, that there are those fans who'll just jump into the girl's corner simply based on what she said and completely ignore what the other party said. I guess I am just jealous as I wish I had that kind of god-like knowledge - to be able to base my opinion of someone on nothing whatsoever.
I never called her a bitch so please don't put words in my mouth. She is a beautiful woman with an amazing body. If she wasn't having a good day that day, it's fine. Every producer wants the hot girl doing incredible sex acts for their production. I'm no different. I've paid women well enough to get some incredible scenes shot and I am proud to own them. The cum has dried. So has the life of this tirade. Let's move on and discuss the scenes that Mackenzee really enjoyed or shines. I'll be first in line to watch them. She's gorgeous.
^ + 1. I haven't seen Mackenzee in action yet, and I certainly would not be adverse to doing so. Looking forward to seeing her in Teenage Anal Pirncess 7. She said in another thread that she had fun on that shoot, so that sounds promising.
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Posted - Oct 12 2007 : 12:00AM
That was a fair reply. I am just saying $500 is not much to do what she had to do. Most girls I know would not do that for $500.
^ Fair point, ragingbull. And apologies if I came across sounding like an ass...I am really fucking tired and didn't re-read my post. (No excuse, but, you know...) I think perhaps, if there is a "guilty party" in all of this it may well be Mackenzee's agent who booked her as a newbie for such a scene. But that's all one, I suppose. As Brandon so rightly said, we should all move past this (I know, sorry for perpetuating it myself, fuckhead that I am!), and talk about the positives regarding Ms. Pierce, which I am sure are many and varied.
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Posted - Oct 12 2007 : 12:41AM
Thanks man. I mean I actually liked the scene in a strange way. It showed how a normal girl (not only did she act like a normal girl, she looked like a normal chick you would date or meet at a bar) would react to giving head to 7 guys and taking bukkake. I like bukkakes because they are so taboo, its cool to see a girl do something, girls in everyday life would do. I was just surprised how mean BI was to her when she showed her dislike. I think he should have said, "sorry sweaty, clean up." And $500 is kind of cheap. I paid a class escort in Vegas for 600, she would have said no way to a pop shot and it was just me. So 500 for a blow-bang/bukkake is a little low. Whatever, though I like BI's stuff because it so off the wall. I just think he did not respond well in that one incident, and treated a new, young, embarrassed girl very unkindly.
I'm tired of mowing the same lawn over and over. Listen, if I pay you $500, will you just let it go already? Like me, you have experience paying ladies for their time so please put that experience to good use and become an agent yourself since you know what's fair and unfair. While you're at it, please do something about the glut of dvd production, the decline in wholesale prices, payment procrastinators, and the abundance of piracy. If you think paying $500 is low, see how much I get each month from those bit torrents online. A quick confession before I go: I've even paid less to some girls. That's right! Some girls have done scenes for free. It's called a content trade. Let that stew for a while.
i posted yesterday that i accepted the appology from brandon and i too said sorry, and he made a very fair statment. the agent i had was alot to blame... my inexperiance as well that was my 3rd scene. i am asking if we can just move past this.... no more said. i appreciate those who emphithized with me due to what you saw with my reaction. but to be honest i was over this about a week after i did the scene in dec 06, it just kept resurfacing once people saw the shoot this summer... including good friends of mine back home who support me in porn, they didnt like how i "appeared" to be in utter humiliation, but i let it go. i also had multiple fans/people writting me saying that they saw it and posts about it and that i was being badgered by certain people. who cares there are some things i am just not meant for in this business... i cant say i will never do one again, but at that time i was not even sure if i was ready for porn let alone man goo of 6 or 7 guys on my face. plain and simple its over and done with... time to move on. please? i have done some awesome scenes since, i think my fresh out of high school 5 was god, i did teen cum dumpsters 5, liked that, hmmm i recently did a scene with charles dera, cant remember the site, but it was a good hard rough sex scene we slapped each other around a bit... so this was one bad experiance out of numerous that are good or amazing! next subject....
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Posted - Oct 12 2007 : 3:13PM
Sorry, I talked to much about this. I agree with take on the market Brandon. It comes down to economics: 1. When start-up cost are low many firms will enter the market. Costs are very low because of digital cameras and the ability to edit on a computer. 2. So many firms have entered, but as the profit margin becomes thinner and thinner due to all these new firms eventually some will fall out of the market.
At the end of the day, Mackenzee will have as long a career as she wishes to have. She may or may not do something similar down the road but she should be proud to have had the courage to try it once. I will find a way to keep my stuff going, too. At the end of the day, some folks are entertained and that's that. My payback for any bad karma will come today when I work for www.meandungeon.com as a submissive to a 5'10" young lady who will be paid to put me through my paces. What comes around, goes around.
I shot Mackenzee for Teenage Anal Princess #7 a few weeks back and must say she was professional and did a great job. Before the shoot I always ask what the girl likes or dislikes. And we go from there. To me it's still about the girl having fun and if she is doing what she likes and is respected, this creates a nicer environment and possibly a better performance by all involved. But that goes with respect towards anyone on set. I learned that back in my department head days in film. People treated with respect will always work harder then even the ones who get paid more but are disrespected. I can't comment on other sets but on my set she was great. And I am looking forward to shooting Mackenzee again. www.IamIvan.comAnabolic, the Barry Bonds of Porn
I am shooting A2M #12 right now. And the cast is all set. I tried getting in touch with you but had no luck :( Actually most of our lines have anal and I will see what we can do to throw you in a few more movies. You did a great job and will be fun working together again. About the toy, the stuffed toy I gave you. I would love to get a picture of you with it for my site. Here is my e-mail: iamivandotcom@gmail.com www.IamIvan.comAnabolic, the Barry Bonds of Porn
Ragingbull: """"Wow Brandon I didn't know you were such a prick. I mean it kind of came through in the video but now that she posts, I mean $500 to blow seven guys and have them all cum in her face, that's pretty cheap.""""
i just finished up another anal scene for anabolic. again awesome scene! i love shooting for them.... all my anal scenes are actually for anabolic! and for all you haters that bag on me for being a pain on set maybe you should go read iamivan.com's blog about me....or ask dave and craven who just shot me yesterday how awesome the scene was and if i was a bitch to work with.... or matrix they love me..... "im the girl your mother warned you about"
FYI, Mackenzee is as professional as it comes. I just shot her again and it was fantastic. She not only did a great job, looked fantastic, she helped me wrap up all the equipment and carry them to the truck. I guess treat people with respect and you get the same back. Yeah, check out my blog about her and some pictures. She is looking better and better everytime I see her. www.IamIvan.comAnabolic, the Barry Bonds of Porn
thankx so much for all the kind words!!!! i did do facial abuse and that is a prime example of respect. wheni found out who there were and what the shot i was kinda skeptical of doing it. however they were awesome guys to shoot for very respectful, even though the scene is meant to degrade women every so many minutes they cut and make sure i was ok. they had water on hand every thing you need. and surprisingly i liked knowing i pushed my self to try something of the nature. the nature of that scene is more harsh than brandons but RESPECT was what made it an easy shoot. "im the girl your mother warned you about"
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