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I wrote quite a long rant about my thoughts on current porn-I essentially hate the homogenization I see.

Edited by - tscfan317 on 3/14/2005 1:36:51 AM

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I think porn is still plenty rough.
well, what movies have you been watching?

Edited by - masamune on 3/14/2005 1:18:21 AM

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As far as the sameness issue goes--let's face it, 90+ percent of all American porn today is made by a very small number of people in the same town, practically all of whom both know and have worked for each other. This has always been true to an extent, but at least of the classic era you had New York porn, LA porn, SF porn, etc. You also had a greater variety of producers and financers and pornographers, and much more money going into the product--because the film business was more profitable. If today's porn all looks the same, it is because the same people make it, and have learned how to make it from each other. Porn today is a kind of one-party state, whether you're talking about gonzo or features. And monopolies are always bad for the consumer.

As far as the performers are concerned, I think it is very difficult to show up at someone's house, be plopped on a couch or bed, and told to be your "slutty self" while someone points a camera in your face (or up your ass). There is no fantasy in it, no role playing, no point to the action. So what we get mostly today are many jaded starlets staring blankly into the lens and implying, "Look, I'm 19, I'm broke, and I'm here because I'm getting 800 bucks to fuck and suck." This is the message that comes across the screen. Now for some fans, that might be fine--a lot of today's porn get mileage out of this premise: getting slightly uncomfortable young women to do anything for a few bucks. But you can't really expect too much enthusiasm then, can you? In fact, all the phony aggression in today's porn often seems to be some kind of replacement for authentic passion, a kind of covering up for the disinterest (and sexual inexperience, I think) of a lot of the girls. The result? You can see countless women being throat-fucked, but you can rarely find a single woman passionately and sensuously sucking a cock off.

Perhaps the only advantage of all those silly vignette set-ups in the old stuff was that it gave the performers something to "play," a sexual situation that let two or more complete strangers fuck for some reason other than the director's wallet.

And yes, there are a some exceptions to what I've described, some instances where the gonzo premise seems to work--but most of them are all made by directors working for the same company, and I don't find that a particularly healthy circumstance for the hardcore industry either.

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Edited by - Loraine on 3/14/2005 5:53:15 AM

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In general I hate anything mainstream beacause it's almost always fake... you can never trust that what you see or hear is the real thing. Non-mainstream can't afford to produce high-class illusions like that which makes it more believable.
"Who cares?" may someone say, and that's probably why mainstream porn is mainstream... most people don't care if it's real or not because they don't care enough about it and then of course they doesn't know enough about it.

I've seen some japanese videos that feels very mutual, starting out with tender foreplay - that's so rare to see that it becomes interesting...

I love animal instinct aggressive sex... but also the romantic side of sex, which the porn industry rarely touches in a documentary way.

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and with sooooo many people doing diff stuff and trying diff angles i cannot believe people cannot find stuff they will dig on.

Me and Rog were going round and round the other night talkin 'bout porn and it pretty much boils down to do your f'n homework and read the reviews.

I have been pretty vocal on which companies i dig on...

--Monstar Rawx! ContactPornstars.Com

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PS (really Duh question here) but what exactly is the consensus about what "gonzo" means? It seems to have different meanings to different people

Edited by - robroy on 3/14/2005 6:58:00 AM

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Something for everyone? Get real.

-T.C.

Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex

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FOR THOSE THAT ENJOY WATCHING ADULT ENTERTAINMENT ON DVD AND VIDEO, to whom i was referring to, there is in, my opinion, some thing for everyone in said media.

com'on now.

--Monstar Rawx! ContactPornstars.Com

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I like watching video porn just fine, and there's lots of it that I really do like. I think a lot of TonyC's friends would like watching too, if there were actually something out there that appealed to them.

I'm a "variety man", moreso evidently than most of the people who post at ADT, and I'll tell ya... I don't see a whole lot of variety in today's porn--at all.

I don't think everyone's tastes are represented by a longshot.

That said though, there are a multitude of obsticals that prevent porn producers from offering some of the things I'd REALLY like to see, not the least of which is the delicate balance between profitablity and the costs and effort required to put together something of really high quality. Hey, you know... I'd be happy as a clam if porn producers could put out features that rival the quality of The Fashionistas on a regular basis, but that's not how the economics of porn works, and I understand that. On the other hand, I'm not at all prepared to say that everyone's taste's are represented.

Not even close--and I say that only because all of MY tastes aren't represented--and I'm a pretty savvy porn fan.

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When I was younger I thought that people who didn't like porn didn't like it because they were prudes. Now I know better.

-T.C.

Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex

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I love cumswapping videos but they are not done properly ,in my opinion !! A threesome is exactly that , a threesome !! The girls should be into each other as well as the guy , we don't ALWAYS have to see camera acknowledgement in every fucking movie, the camera doesn't have to continuously move around , there can be alot more cumkissing without fading out right after the swapping , we don't have to have the guy yapping continuously or the director yapping as well, ass slapping , face slapping,choking, etc.

I love lesbian videos !! They are not made well for the most part !!! I don't need to see constant dildo plunging , 95 % focus on the ass , girls looking at the camera instead of each other , a ridiculous lack of kissing or body contact, non stop camera movement, special effects , multiple girl scenes which usually have zero chemistry, etc.

Sure , there's something for everybody but there really isn't because we always have to get the same formulas and styles. Everybody copies each other and we have to settle for the little bits that we can find if we actually see them !! WE have to tolerate quick editing and camera movement because it has become the standard. You want lesbian or cumswapping ... you have to get anal with that or dildos. God forbid someone would make a g/g video with lots of kissing and muff diving.

It's not a question of being fussy , it's where porn has gone and what has become the standard !!

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If you go to a store, e.g., you will find lots of gonzo, andd substandard to amateurish productions, and if you are lucky a few racks of Private/Vivid style stuff.
You must be extremely lucky or have previous knowledge to find the "pearls" that could fit your taste, if you are already living out those fantasies in real life.

You certainly will not stumble about "pearls" like in the mainstream section of a store.

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The thing that frustrates me about the typical porn formula today is that gender roles in the scene are too defined. The man is there to pump away at wherever his dick will fit, and the woman is there to accept his dick anywhere he puts it and ask for more. As much as the people making the product try to, they cannot break away from this male-dominant, vanilla formula. They're too afraid to give the female the dominant position in the scene because they worry that young males won't be interested in it. They don't want to introduce BDSM elements to scenes because the Christian Coalition, the American Family Association, and the National Organization of Women will all scream bloody murder over what they perceive to be elements of violence and hate in sex. Of course, this is all bunk. Anything involving a human being with breasts will make a young man horny, and the CC, AFA, and NOW are going to take offense of everything the industry does anyway.

For the record, some of the most erotic and provocative images I have ever seen have come from the Cybernet websites, but I'm sure I'll never find anything like what they are offering at my nearest video store. By looking at their model listing, I see no shortage of mainstream porn actresses jumping at the opportunity to be tied up, flogged, shocked with a cattle prod, fucked with a dildo attached to a power tool, or trapped in a tank of water, and wanting to come back again and again. So, it's not due to the reluctance of the female talent pool. On the other hand, I don't see any mainstream male stars signing up to be dominated by the same women they dominate in their movies. Where's the sense of fair play? Do they feel the need to protect their image? Are they reluctant to star in a product that is not their own, or that of one of their industry friends? Do they simply have no interest in assuming the submissive role? Once again, I have no idea behind their decisions, and I don't blame them for not turning the tables: they're getting a very good deal as it is, so why change anything?

All in all, it is all part of a trend. In a few years, a new style will emerge, and the studios and directors will saturate the marketplace with that product until all of us are in the same boat as we are. It's how this business, any business, works.

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I occasionally give talks on "Making video erotica" at various trade shows, my qualification being that as well as being a "jobbing" cameraman I once was part of an experienced team of porn-production-professionals who started their own production company... and failed miserably.

The golden rule of starting out in porn (or any type of movie production for that metter) is: "make movies you would want to buy yourself".
It was knowing this rule, but failing to apply it to our productions which cost me (and my collegues) a hell of a lot of money, time and kudos.

Established pornographers have often moved on from the "fun" stage and are running a business, which is why they start thinking "what does the punter want" rather than producing stuff they'd want to see, since they often don't want to see erotica anymore! Their assumptions of what the buying public want are often far from the reality.

In mainland Europe, the large production companies have deals with the video/dvd rental houses whereby they have to produce a certain ammount of "mainstream" erotica. The definition of "mainstream" is made by men who don't actually appreciate porn, hence specifications like "to include at least two visible facial climax shots," and other such crap.

I'm a great fan of the U.K. "Ben Dover" series (I haven't worked with Steve Perry unfortunately) because they're made for sales, not rental and have a lot of the "realistic" qualities lacking in "mainstream" productions.

RobRoy273(at)hotmail.com

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