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RobHammer
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San Jose, CA
444 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jun 5 2003 : 7:27PM
Why are we the 'naked' ape? Why do men have muscles and women have tits? Why do men have facial hair and women don't? Yeah, we know about the hormone thing and can turn men into women and women into men, but why did we evolve this way? Most mammals and all other primates are hairy. Did we lose our hair because we got smart and started wearing clothes to keep warm? Maybe not, since it's generally accepted that humans evolved in tropical Africa. Is it sexual/sensual/tactile since bare skin on bare skin feel so good? Or is it another aspect of the male gaze and men didn't lose quite as much hair as women? While we're at it, is the male gaze hardwired, and is there a female gaze? Mammary glands are only used for feeding babies, so why do human females keep them for life and females of other species don't? Is it for sexual signaling? Why do we still have pubic and underarm hair? If this is to capture scent and pheromones, why do we hate the way we smell? I've read a few things from the experts and the experts don't all agree. I guess that's enough questions to keep everyone thinking for a while.

For any of you that believe the earth appeared 12,000 years ago complete with dinosaur bones buried in the ground, go start your own thread.

skronker
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9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 5 2003 : 9:42PM
Well, in fact, after a certain age men have tits and women have moustaches -- well, some of 'em.

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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14595 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 6 2003 : 12:11AM
Well, we're full of questions today.

I don't know about you RobHammer, but I've got plenty of hair. Maybe we don't have as much compared to some mammals, but hey, we've got way more than a whale does. Or how about the naked mole rat? As far as pubic and underarm hair goes, the consensus is that hair is thicker there because it helps prevent chafing.

Truthfully though, who can say why? Asking the why of a million years of evolution is a little tricky. You should bear in mind that the law of unforeseen consequences operates even in evolution. Thus, some physical characteristics may simply be riders on an evolutionary change that benefited humans, not benefits in and of themselves.

I'm not following you on the 'male gaze' thing. If you mean why do men look at women, I assume it's because humans aren't really monogamous, much as society might wish otherwise. Since it takes two to tango, the women must be checking us out too, don't you think?

If tits were only used for feeding babies men wouldn't be so interested in them. They obviously signal something sexual/reproductive as well, if only "your baby won't starve with these around!" Why do women keep their mammary glands for life? If we adhere to the grandmother theory of menopause, then breasts can be effective even for grannies, no?

As for why we hate the way we smell, probably because we weren't designed for such close quarters. It's one thing to stink when you're neighbor's 20 yards away, or huddled around a fire that's blowing smoke up your nose; it's another when he's right next to you on the bus.

Do I know any of this for a fact? Well, only that we're mammals, that's simply by definition. The rest is 100% pure who-the-fuck-knows?

Edited by - hardware on 6/6/2003 10:03:16 AM

Arethusa
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99 Posts
8/02
Posted - Jun 7 2003 : 5:35AM
From what I understand, humans have a comparable amount of hair to other primates, ours is simply much thinner, lighter and finer in most cases. I'd guess this is probably a function of intersexual selection unless someone can think of a reason that thin hair is adaptive.
Hell, we aren't even sure why homo sapiens have chins since most of the precursors to modern humans didn't.
Who knows?
Sir Noel Plum
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1001 Posts
2/03
Posted - Jun 7 2003 : 9:28AM
I've asked my father about this (I usually turn to him for technical questions I cannot answer). He put forward the idea, probably not an original thought but original to him - he hasn't read this, that this is one consequence of the changes in hunting habits in early hominids and beyond.

It is a widely held theory that early man may well have hunted by simply 'running down' animals over a period of hours. This is said to account for our remarkable endurance capabilities which coupled with our teamwork skills and water carrying ability means we can run down deer/gazelle/antelope with remarkable success (indeed, a tribe still exists in Africa who hunt by just this method).
My fathers theory is that the last thing such a hunter wants is a thick coat of body hair. Couple this fact with successful hunters likely earning more breeding opportunities and the large variation in hairiness amongst modern humans and such an evolutionary step could well be made in very few generations.

SNP.

 
RobHammer
Independent Producer

San Jose, CA
444 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jun 8 2003 : 1:49AM
Scientific American magazine has a special edition titled 'New Look at Human Evolution' that is available on line here. Their web site is www.sciam.com. I don't know how long the electronic version will be offered, but the print copy will be on news stands until August 25, 2003.
-lunacy-
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1081 Posts
4/00
Posted - Jun 8 2003 : 11:10AM
I had to laugh RobHammer, I finished reading the "Third Chimpanzee" not long ago for an anthropology class and I had a lot of the same questions.
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3/02
Posted - Jun 8 2003 : 2:28PM
Did you see the Discovery special on Oliver, the walking chimpanzee? Now there's an interesting case.
Penis Fracture Victim
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28 Posts
5/03
Posted - Jun 11 2003 : 3:46AM
the aliens did it...they have altered us over the centuries. they created us and our religions or so i've been told.
Algaliarept
Senior Member

3557 Posts
7/08
Posted - Jun 13 2010 : 11:20PM
Since we walk upright, breasts and facial hair are gender signals to others of the species from a distance
Exhibit A: note the full breasts and lack of facial hair on this female of the species
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Edited by - algaliarept on 6/19/2010 8:11:58 PM
JohnW
Senior Member

1351 Posts
6/08
Posted - Jun 16 2010 : 6:44PM
And lets remember that whatever the fashion is is not where evolution is going. I've talked to several people who believed that body hair would be gone from our species within a few generations. WTF? The only way that would happen was if guys (and girls) with lots (or any) body hair would not live long enough to reproduce. It appears to me that most people completely miss what evolution is and how it works. (Rant not directed at anyone in this thread).
Algaliarept
Senior Member

3557 Posts
7/08
Posted - Jun 19 2010 : 8:09PM
Looks and physicality evidently aren't that important in choosing a partner to share genetic material with, as any trip to your local Wal-Mart will attest.



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