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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 12:12AM
Luke Ford had this to say about Naomi and a scene she did for a Khan Tusion site today:

Huang writes: "Naomi is Israeli/Czech. She is a very sweet person."

Naomi, 22, shot a scene with for Kahn Tusion. It is posted through a Meatholes.com affiliated site whose name is so filthy I can not bear to repeat it.

Kahn likes to have the models do a filthy thing, then look at the camera and say, "Hi mom. Hi dad."

Naomi (her real name) looked up at the camera and said (partly in Hebrew), "Hi ima. Hi abba."

Naomi (who has no tattoos) had only one lover before porn -- a boyfriend for five years.

On the video of Naomi (who started in porn on July 3, 2005) and Staci:

Naomi has a speech impediment. Kahn slaps her leg twice.

Kahn: "You used to have an African-American boyfriend."

Naomi: "He was 25% black."

Before porn, Naomi says she worked as a "legal analyzer" for some law firm with a lot of Jewish partners.

Kahn: "Say hello to the guys at the firm. Do you think they are watching?"

Naomi: "Possibly. There's some dirty old men."

Kahn: "What happened? You're a good Jewish girl. You won't get a tattoo. My mom and dad wanted me to be educated, to be a pillar of society, to leave this world a better place than I found it. Instead I'll let strangers come in my asshole and I'll... Why did you make that decision?"

Naomi: "There's a plethora of reasons, but the bottom line is...that I've always loved sex and I've always felt that sex is so boxed in in America and that I wanted to be part of a movement that liberates it and enjoys it and shows it's not something to be ashamed of."

Kahn: "I believe it because if you had decided not to do porno, we probably couldn't get anybody to do it."

Naomi: "No. It takes an army, but every little bit counts. Every person that we talk to and touch, somewhere down the line it affects them."

Kahn: "I think there's a different reason."

Naomi's shocked: "What do you think it is?"

Kahn: "I think that there's an emotional hole in your belly..."

Naomi shakes her head. "In me? No."

Kahn: "And it's filled by a cock and a camera. I think that whole explanation if bull. Don't argue with me. I'll beat you."

Kahn slaps her. He turns to Staci: "Would you like to sit here? I'd love to hurt you."

Naomi says she had sex with one guy for over five years.

Kahn: "He was one-quarter nigger, right?"

Naomi nods.

Kahn: "When you made the decision to let everybody f--- you, did you discuss it with anybody? Did you say, 'Hey mom, dad, this might be a little traumatic. I want to roll this by you. I have a calling in life to further the sexual revolution in America. I believe this is God's will."

Naomi: "I asked my [friend] what I thought. She didn't think I should do it. She thinks that I have higher aspirations that I could achieve. However, she supports me. She sees why I would do it. I told my dad and mom that I was thinking about doing it. They were hesitant at first. They know how my mind is and how I think and they weren't going to sway me. When I had already done it, they said, 'Think about the longterm effects.'

"They love me. They know I'm a nice Jewish girl and eventually I'll get out and turn that money around and be successful and invest."

Kahn: "You talk too much. Why won't you get a tattoo?"

Naomi: "It's against my [religion]."

Kahn: "You can give all the rationalizations you want, but you've put a tattoo on your soul."

Naomi: "In that respect, everything you do has an impression on your soul."

Kahn: "This is the Devil's work. You are selling your virtue for $300. You are good at rationalizing. Jews have always been good at rationalizing. Six million of them went to their demise because they couldn't figure out what was going on."

Kahn grabs her face. "Does anybody slap you in the face during sex?"

Naomi: "No."

Kahn: "Why?"

Naomi: "Because I don't like it.

"I don't like people grabbing my face."

Kahn seizes her neck.

Naomi: "I prefer it over my face."

She says she never had backdoor sex with her boyfriend. "It's not something I would ever choose to do."

Kahn says Staci's dad is a Seventh-Day Adventist.

Later in the scene, Alex goes backdoor on Naomi.

"He's f------ my Jew asshole," she says at Kahn's direction.

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I have seen the sample trailer, but not the actual scene. So, the following is assuming that Luke's transcript of the interview is accurate:

This is just shtick right? I remember well the lessons of my brief unfortunate puritanical turn on Taylor St. Claire years ago. And Luke printing this interview at his site and me re-printing it here is without any real merit as it only serves to further anger those who hate Khan's style of pornography, bore those who feel this is nothing new, and embolden his supporters while also offering the curious an incentive to go to the website and possibly purchase a membership to see the scene (the Rob Blacks and Kahn Tusions love this kind of advertising). However, I can't help but be troubled by this interview and the verbal and physical manner in which Naomi is totally degraded, from the anti-Semitism to the slapping and grabbing her face and neck even though she states that she doesn't like it. Then it causes me to wonder why two LaDirect girls are being sent to Kahn and if either of them knew what they were getting into (my anti-Ben English feelings boiling over). However, then I think about the fact that Naomi not only went along with everything, overly oohing and aahing during the sex like she always does, but she even referred to her Jew asshole getting fucked. Thus, it would seem largely staged. Staged or not, so many of the porn industry's sins can be traced back to a basic fundamental failure to treat the women involved as human beings which seems to be caused by an insidious hatred for women that is spread throughout the industry (and in today's society and thus in many consumers). I am reminded of The Paradox of Pornography by Robert Jensen.

The same week that John Leslie creates his ode to Naomi, Kahn created his as well. It's like seeing two extremes played out, Leslie and the era he comes from against Tusion and the era he lives in. Or is it? Leslie's era saw him as the dirty talker, a character whose purpose it was to dominate women to the ends that they could become more sexually liberated, like with Bridgette Monet by the end of Talk Dirty to Me 2 . That was in a Reagan-era context.

Edited by - -Kelly- on Mar 2 2006

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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 12:43AM
It's actually spelled "Khan" Tusion.
She was probably paid a buttload of money for the scene.

Though, actually Kelly, for all your concerns, you could have just quoted a sample passage and linked to Luke's site. He'd love the traffic and you wouldn't feel like a shill for Satan.

Edited by - skronker on 3/2/2006 1:12:50 AM

-Kelly-
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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 1:21AM
"Though, actually Kelly, for all your concerns, you could have just quoted a sample passage and linked to Luke's site. He'd love the traffic"

It is odd that Luke so routinely posts the Alexa rankings. And thanks for the spelling correction on Khan.

Some might read this interview and feel protective of Naomi, arguing that she might have been afraid of leaving, having to pay a kill-scene fee, dealing with Derek Hay after that, and worried about getting work again which is why she stayed and went with it. However, Khan is so perfect and calculating in his persona and line of questioning in the interview and is so overly offensive that this seems too perfectly degrading to not be staged to some degree. For instance, he mentions that Naomi's only getting paid $300 to let a guy (Alex Sanders) cum in her asshole. Naomi offers no objection, but unless LADirect has managed to ruin her career at this point there's little chance that's what her actual rate is for a non-condom anal scene ending with a creampie. Plus, he uses the N word to refer to her ex-boyfriend, resorts to a Holocaust comment to get his anti-Semitic theme across, flat out calls her a liar, and interacts with her physically in a manner she claims to not enjoy. Naomi stays, goes along with it, and performs the sex like she normally does.

"you wouldn't feel like a shill for Satan"

That's just it. I feel like I should be too smart to even have started this thread (hey, I'm the Catholic League and Khan Tusion is Dogma), but I read the Paradox of Pornography essay and then read that interview and I'm suddenly struck just how depressing an indication of society pornography can be (is)-that which is ideally (and sometimes actually does serve this secondary function) about the liberation/exploration of sexuality is instead a product of pure capitalism predicated upon the subjugation of not just the female form but women in general.

Edited by - -Kelly- on 3/2/2006 2:33:17 AM

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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 1:45AM
Maybe Khan is working out his self-hatred as a Jew himself by creating projection scenarios. No sane agent at the top of his game would send a prime babe like Naomi out for a $300 cream pie. Maybe add a zero and divide by 2.
-Kelly-
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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 1:54AM
"Maybe Khan is working out his self-hatred as a Jew himself by creating projection scenarios"

If you aren't kidding and Khan actually is Jewish, that's an interesting explanation I hadn't thought of. If that's the case, it's like with all of the recent global hatred toward Jews and on-going debates over Israel, Khan got a porn girl of Czech/Israeli decent and took it and ran with it (and Naomi went along).

Edited by - -Kelly- on 3/2/2006 2:19:00 AM

 
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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 10:41AM
I doubt there's a lot of unique rationale behind it, it just sounds like the sort of thing he does to wind the girls up and offend people who post in adult movie forums.
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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 3:49PM
Well personally i see Khan Tusion as an alternative for max hardcore, i mean same rought sex style, but without the whole ``retarded 12 y.o mind girl`` thing in every scene and whitout ending the scene looking like a clown due to lipstick all over the face etc. We could say that Khan is a bit softer than max too, but well in any way personally i like what he do in general, the girls get pay to do that and if its ok for you then its ok for me. He is not just shooting rought sex anyway, i saw a scene with sara stone where its really soft, at the begining i was like ``oh man thats the meathole house`` so i tought it was gonna be very hard but it turn to be a very classic sex scene, at the end she go to the bathroom, my heat kinda jump as i was thinking about the pissmops when you see the bath, but nah this was not on the menu so well he is not just shooting rought sex ...
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Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 4:48PM
They backpedaled a lot on the really rough/abusive stuff ... and you won't find the really scary clips online anymore. (Hmmmm, maybe tucked away on the Anabolic site if you look hard enough ...)
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Posted - Mar 5 2006 : 4:34AM
--Kelly-- wrote:
Kelly,

You're a sensitive, thinking guy, and I can certainly understand your reaction to the Luke Ford piece in light of the “Paradox of Pornography” essay by Robert Jenson. I have a couple of thoughts, in response to Jensen:

Jensen writes:

Although this is largely true, it’s also about the exposure of women’s bodies for the pleasure of women, men’s bodies for the pleasure of women, and men’s bodies for the pleasure of men. We can also add couples to the mix.

In any event, is the exposure of women’s bodies for the pleasure of men a bad thing? Pleasure is nice and men would seem to be entitled to it, all other things being equal. Women expose their bodies to men in other contexts without moral opprobrium. So the moral status of the “pornographic exposure” would seem to depend upon the context in which the exposure takes place.

It’s revealing that Jensen uses the passive voice (“women’s bodies are exposed”) rather than the active one (“women expose their bodies”). It suggests that the performers have no “real agency”, no “effective power,” in the matter. This may be Jensen’s argument, but he needs to demonstrate it rather than state it as a self-evident truth. The sense I get from the performers who post here runs quite to the contrary.

This is the classic anti-porn rhetoric of sex-negative feminism.
This doesn’t seem intrinsically bad.
Although Jensen acknowledges that he has no solid basis for his views on women’s sexual preferences, he relies on what “informal investigation [by whom?] suggests”.
This, too, is a classic anti-porn argument: Men are sexual robots and pornography has the power to cloud their minds. Perhaps, instead, the fans Jensen interviewed correctly believed that the text/subtext of dominance and submission in a lot of porn operates on a fantasy level, the level of the erotic imagination, and does not affect their moral and political perspectives in daily life.

You wrote:

Exploring one’s authentic sexuality, liberating it, often reveals surprising things. We human beings combine rational and “civilized” components, as well as primal components –- and sex is very primal. Dominant and submissive impulses are hugely prevalent all sexuality -- not just “kinky” sex. The desire to penetrate, to be penetrated, the desire to possess (with fingers, lips, and tongues) and to be possessed, the desire to overwhelm and be overwhelmed, all these impulses are mysterious, sometimes foreign-seeming, but clearly evident.

But for most of us, those who aren't criminals, these activities take place in private, in the bedroom, in a fully consensual context. Game-playing and ritual, power exchange with concomitant trust, are ways that we humans fuse and satisfy both ur civilized and primal aspects.

I don’t think Jensen understands sexuality very well. And after all, he’s not a trained psychologist or anthropologist – he’s merely a journalist.

Sexuality is complicated.

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Posted - Mar 5 2006 : 4:37AM
Hey journalists are cool -- don't stick me with Jensen ...

Stick me with a filthy teen fuck hole

MommY! Gooba gooba!!!

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Posted - Mar 5 2006 : 11:43AM
skronk,

I'd never stick you with Jensen -- and certainly not for the cameras. I wouldn't dream of commodifying you.

BTW, I like journalists, though not as my fuckholes.


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Damn, that was a drunk post if ever I posted one.
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Posted - Mar 5 2006 : 10:24PM
I find myself relieved to know that you were drunk when you posted that, skronk.

Hic . . . hic . . . c . . up.

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Someone's gotta pick up the slack left by TonyC.
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Posted - Mar 6 2006 : 12:12AM
It seems to me like she handled it quite well, ala rolling with the punches so to speak.

anyways

It's great having guys like Khan and Max around, it's such a sharp contrast to what I enjoy in terms of porno and personality that it makes me appreciate what I enjoy that much more.


Sure he's lame, sure he's a hateful little dick, and sure he may over step his boundaries. But without people like him we wouldn't know where these boundaries and/or learn about why we go there in the first place....or something like that


On a side note. I was heavily dissapointed with Naomi..There's Only One. Most of the group scenes and overt use of pushing her to "extreme" acts seemed extremely forced and just unnecessary.

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