I'm listening to Selena Silver's show on KSEX Radio. Nautica Thorn just called the show and mentioned that on her website, NauticaThornXXX.com (not up yet, but will be soon), she will have footage of her doing anal. She said that her website will be the only place people will be able to see her do anal (won't be on DVD/VHS).
Iafd lists Nautica as doing anal in the movie Not Just Another 8 Teen Movie 3. I read a review of this movie, but the reviewer didn't mention that she did anal in her scene. I don't believe that she did, based on the review and based on what Nautica herself just said on KSEX.
Just thought that some of you might like a heads-up on this.
I believe I reviewed "Not Just Another 8 Teen Movie 3" for AdultDVDTalk. Either way, I've seen it. She doesn't do anal it.
Anal on the website? Sorry. That pisses me off. Glad you're doing it but I am not a website membership guy. I'd rather see it on a video or DVD I could buy or rent and watch over and over again. Kimberly Kane has recently done something similar, posting the only boy/girl anal pictures of her ever in her site's members area. However, her's are at least going to eventually be published in a magazine. The absolute exclusive thing that Nautica is doing is worse for me.
It's smart business. Give the fans some seroius incentive. It just doesn't work on me.
Kelly, I'm not going to join Nautica's website either. I mentioned that tidbit, not because I'm a Nautica Thorn fan myself, but for people who might be interested. I know that she has a large following here at ADT (and occasionally people have asked about whether or not she does anal). But Kelly, you're right in the sense that I have joined many websites in the past.
Just to be clear, I was not really addressing my whole response to you. I was speaking mostly in general terms.
A bit off topic: Internet porn that involves actual professional porn stars annoys me. I see Jennifer Luv on www.borderbangers.com and would rather be watching the scene on DVD. And Avy Scott has really done more internet work than video lately. I'm just glad that Taylor St. Claire retired before the internet became so prevalent, meaning most of her work was done for major companies and released to stores as opposed to being relegated to the membership area of a website.
Kelly
Edited by - tscfan317 on 6/17/2004 12:00:45 AM
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It's smart for her to do it this way, but only up to a point. She will no doubt get a spike of new members on her site over the next few weeks, but then it will calm down. Hopefully, she'll start doing it regularly at that point in non-internet productions.
"It's smart for her to do it this way, but only up to a point. She will no doubt get a spike of new members on her site over the next few weeks, but then it will calm down. Hopefully, she'll start doing it regularly at that point in non-internet productions."
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I didn't say it. I obviously tried since I've posted twice (not including this) in this thread now.
I say, "you go, Nautica!" Why should she give up her butt so others can profit off it endlessly while she makes chump change? I would think any real fan of hers would have no problem with this, but I can understand if the prob that you guys don't like watching your porn on your computer over the internet ... To my own frustration, I have often found that it is a totally different, and less user-friendly experience than controlling it via TV set and DVD ... If she eventually offers DVDs exclusively from her site, would that solve the issue?
"If she eventually offers DVDs exclusively from her site, would that solve the issue?"
Pretty much. I'd still much rather see her in a higher end production than the quality we'll get from whatever is on her website but selling a DVD of it through her site would help out a bit.
I am honestly no longer a huge Nautica Thorn fan. However, I too think this is a good move on her part. I didn't say I thought it was a bad move. I just selfishly would rather watch it on a DVD at home than on computer.
But, that is where almost every single girl tries to go now...official websites. So often it does not seem to work out well at all. Good luck to her.
Whoa! Best news I've heard in weeks! I'll be there. Hey, maybe this increases the chances of being willing to do it again Just hope it's not streaming footage. Any idea when the site opens?
Edited by - Rainier_Wolfcastle on 6/17/2004 5:40:57 AM
I totally understand and agree with you guys about the quality of experience watching a DVD on TV versus downloads off a website -- or streaming, for that matter -- but don't be so quick to judge the production quality of what will end up on her site -- the "rinky-dink production values" can't get any worse than the typical shooting-it-in-the-warehouse approach that a lot of your favorite gonzo companies go for ...If she does offer DVDs, that seems like a must-buy to me ... :)
My opinion is "hey, good for her, but I won't be buying it." I buy way more porn than I have time to watch, and there's no end of free nekkid lady pictures on the net anyway, so I have no interest in paying for any web site.
If she eventually sold the DVD exclusively from her website? Well for me that doesn't work either, especially since I'm an International Customer. I like to have just a handful of DVD sellers who I can trust and stick to them rather then trusting throwing my credit card numbers around willy nilly to adult content sites for any reason.
If she did a commercial dvd run of 500 or so and sold it through a few of the regular merchants on ADT, then I'd consider buying it, as long as the DVD was comparable in content and quality to something else for the same price.
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Posted - Jun 17 2004 : 8:04AM
I agree with DAC on this. Nautica has a commodity that people are going to pay for, big time. Why shouldn't she be the one to make the big bucks? April was paid $5,000 for her first on screen anal. Nautica could dwarf those numbers. By the way, I think this also illustrates how ineffective legislating more stringent health laws in California would ultimately be. The performers that they would be trying to protect could do (and do already) whatever they please on the net, based anywhere in the world. The last bastion of free enterprise.
"April was paid $5,000 for her first on screen anal. Nautica could dwarf those numbers"
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Nautica has been around for over a year now and we all want to see her do anal, fans and industry people (DAC) alike. But April was in the biz for a fucking long time before she finally did anal. I don't know if Nauitica has quite built up the demand for it that April did.
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Posted - Jun 17 2004 : 11:29PM
5000, man I hope no ladies that I might possibly date hear that! hehe.. Well April I think had more of a fan base (I could be wrong) but when she did take rod up the ass it seemed like it was a new holiday.
April Flowers (aka April Summers). She's most widely known by the former. She lost her on-camera anal cherry in Ass Cleavage #2.
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Posted - Jun 18 2004 : 1:09PM
April built up her non-anal attitude in a time it was still possible to make a career outside Vivid without anal; than already being a star she decided to give up her pooper. Of course that earned her a few tousand. Nauticas case, however, is different: She knew from the start that she has either to get a Vivid-contract or give up her non-anal policy quite soon if she wants to keep her stardom, no matter how beautiful she is (and Nautica is very beautiful a girl!). Although, I hate having to join sites to see exclusiv stuff, I think from a marketing point of view it is a good decision to keep her anals only on-line first. But soon she will get booked for dvd-scenes doing anal, too, only. To cash in a few moths until this happens is a good idea. Me, I just wait a few months more. It wont be long, anyway.
Edited by - Mienhagen on 6/18/2004 1:11:06 PM
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I agree. Without the Vivid, Wicked, or similar contract, girls have to do anal sooner or later to keep working. Girls like Nautica can keep it going a little longer than most, but not indefinitely.
It seems like this is a growing trend with girls actually. Brittney Skye has done anal with other companies (in fact she just recently shot an anal scene for DVSX), but she is intending in the future to only do it on her website.
I have heard quite a few girls discussing moves like this one...
P.S. - PM, you get 20 bonus points for mentioning the radio show. You are only 100 points away from a bonus blow job now... ;)
Selena, as you post so much here, so frankly and whitty and from an insider position, may I ask you: How long can a girl without Vivid/Wicked contract work in gonzo without doing anal? Do you think non-anal careers like Aprils still possible for girls entering in 2003/4?
PornScout said I was right with no anal=no gonzo career, but you must know better than us. Thank you!
Yes, it is possible - look at the number of girls who just plain don't do anal because they just can't do it physically. Now, mind you the girl had better be hot and do really good scenes - but, if she is and does people will want to book her even though.
Now mind you she won't get as much work as the other girls perhaps, but it is possible.
If she's hot and does great scenes, forever is my guess.
But she probably has to do EVERYTHING else --
And, eventually, someone will offer a few grand for the privilege.
I'll take extreme blowjobs and multiple partners over anal in those cases, or you can match her with a girl who does do anal in a scene with however many guys. It's not the be all and END-all.
"Yes, it is possible - look at the number of girls who just plain don't do anal because they just can't do it physically. Now, mind you the girl had better be hot and do really good scenes - but, if she is and does people will want to book her even though."
Jennifer Luv is a girl who is doing that now. And Cytherea...she's never done anal.
However, are they exceptions to the rule or are they smarter than the other girls who give in to the anal question?
It isn't that some girls are exceptions or smarter... some just can't/won't do anal sex. They have to say no- no matter what. Most of the well-known gonzo girls who don't do anal fall into that category.
Other girls are fine with anal. Personally, if I can get another 20-30% for doing the same scene - the same amount of my time - then I would rather take it in the ass. :) I actually like anal, so I have no problem with it. Same goes for DP. I get almost double the rate for a DP scene than a vag only scene AND I love DP's. I actually ask for them when I am booked.
Now some of those girls who won't do anal are also just new. They haven't done it in their personal life or they did and it really, really hurt so they are afraid of it. Eventually, they become experienced enough the give it a go in porn. It is a 20-30% raise - that is enough of a reason.
A very small minority of the girls (mostly ones getting really good advice from people who are actually trying to help them build a career) are just holding out on you so they have a next round of shoots down the road. They are extending their career.
I think the trend of website only anal girls is based on the fact that they really dont' like anal sex and they are hot enough people will book them for movies either. But, they figure a fan who is really into them and really wands to see them get fucked in the ass will join their site to see it. It is a marketing thing for them - and more power to them.
The bottom line is this - if a girl is really hot and does great scenes - a director will shoot them even if they don't do anal. Especially if you have a gift like Cytheria. Doesn't everyone book her so she will squirt?
I think "smarter" was the wrong word to use. That is not exactly what I meant.
However, I have no need to really outline the intent of my post because you've pretty much said it all ready. You got a real pertty mind. Always love reading your posts.
"Now some of those girls who won't do anal are also just new. They haven't done it in their personal life or they did and it really, really hurt so they are afraid of it. "
Right on. Seriously, to all the fans...how many times have you heard girls say either that they had one bad anal experience and don't do it on film because of it or that they have never done it in their personal life in interviews? I see it all the freaking time in behind the scenes stuff.
Kelly
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Thank you so much for your time, care and insight, Selena!
Rumor has it porn actors were better to introduce a girl to the pleasures of anal sex. How about that? I think it needs a lot of trust or willpower to try it for a girl who has made bad experiences with anal in her private life. On the other hand you say it: up to 30% raise should be reason enough to try it.
"Rumor has it porn actors were better to introduce a girl to the pleasures of anal sex. How about that?"
Good question. We've seen so many girls mention how they are afraid of doing anal because of a bad experience of simply never having done it before. However, we've also seen plenty of those girls eventually do it and seem to absolutely love it.
Are porn actors better at introducing them to it? Or are the girls happy to be getting paid to do it and it shows in their performance? Then again, very often those girls who say that they have never done anal before will then later say when they start doing anal that they practiced it in their personal life before making the decision and liked it. That probably means their boyfriend or significant other introduced them to it.
Are porn actors better at introducing a girl to anal sex?
Well, some of them probably are. Anal sex - believe it or not - is ALL technique. There are steps the girl needs to take before and during to make it pleasurable. There are steps a boy needs to take to bring it up the right way and to see it through the right way.
The first time I had an anal sex attempt, my then boy used the "opps, wrong hole" technique which hurt so bad that I hit him with my elbow so hard I actually injured him. I swore I would NEVER do anal sex. EVER.
But, the only couple of times I tried I and the guy violated all of the important anal sex rules.
The first time someone tried it with me correctly (my now husband), I was shocked to find out it was okay. And, with practice I actually started to like it. Now, I can take a 90 minute pounding from a porn size dick and enjoy it.
Watch Michael Stefano on film and you will see a guy who is a master at helping a girl through a first anal experience. He gets it and rocks it. But, you will only see the during part of it - you won't see all the preperation part that makes all the difference.
Some porn guys are just as clueless about what a girl like as the most clueless guys. The only know that makes them feel good and what they think guys want to see on film. Others have turned themselves into experts.
If you are curious about the anal sex rules - I did a full hour on anal sex on my KSEX show (including a live anal sex demonstration with Eva Angelina). We broke down ALL the rules. From how to talk about it, to what to do beforehand, to what to do during. That is still my favorite show that we have done and I got a LOT of emails from people saying that it worked and they successfully pulled anal off. It is in the video archives of my shows that all KSEX members can watch if you are interested.
Not to be toooo much of a pig, but if a girl doesn't do anal, I quickly tire of watching her fuck on film. Yes, it helps if she is really, really beautiful and a great performer and does everything else that I want to see, but even in those situations, I'm basically bored with her after three or four scenes. I liked Cytheria quite a bit when I first saw her, but now I want to see her get nailed in the ass and that's really all there is to it. I could care less about squirting. Of course, this is just me, but I think there are quite a few like me out there that feel the same way. Why keep watching these non-anal girls like Cytheria, Aspen Stevens, or whoever when there are so many other really beautiful girls that do take it in the ass? Of course, for some fans, anal isn't that big of a deal. But I think the studios know the truth of what sells and what doesn't, and from what I can tell, anal is sells. I've said this before on other threads: if I were starting my own porn company, rule number one would be a strong, strong bias, like 90%, towards anal scenes. I might give the occasional pass to some super, super hot new chick that's a great performer, like I mentioned above, but other than that they would need to take it in the ass to get my money.
And the thing is, I think the gonzo companies have basically figured this out. Most releases have several anal scenes in them and more and more all-anal titles are being put out there as well. Unless they are promoting some other specific fetish, anal is almost mandatory these days, which is why I think girls need to do it, get out of the business, or sign a Vivid contract. Really, these days, my feeling is that if she isn't willing to do anal, it's probably not worth it to go into the business at all.
August is one star who is still going strong without anal.I think she's still fresh and her performances,while not scorching like other stars,are still good.
Selena said:"I get almost double the rate for a DP scene than a vag only scene AND I love DP's. I actually ask for them when I am booked."
If only there were a dozen more like you!!
EDIT: Wait a minute Selena,in what capacity was Eve Angelina involved in this anal demo?Is she into doing anal on camera?
I would have thought that my opinion would be the same. But, thankfully it's not.
I really enjoy anal scenes, a great deal. It is one of my favorite things to watch.
But, some of my favorite stars are girls that do not do anal, or just started, like Felix Viscious. I really like Mary Kate Askley(Kate Kaptive), Roxy Heart(I think she has done anal, but haven't seen it recently), Alexis Taylor, Amber Simpson, Nautica(of course), Cytheria etc . . . In fact, I just saw this lovely girl in Just Over 18 #8 named Tracie that did not do anal. It was my favorite scene of the movie.
I would also still watch Teagan if she did not do anal. In fact, in a small way, a VERY SMALL way, I wish that Teagan had waited a while, built up the tension, and then given us an anal scene.
This has been hashed, rehashed, and hashed again on this forum, but I mention it because it surprised me. I did not expect to be continually intersted in girls that don't do anal, but I am. Go figure. This is just my personal experience, and it might be unique.
So, I don't write this to say, hey look at me, I don't obssess over anal.
I LOVE ANAL!!!! That is what surprises me about some of my favorite stars being girls who don't do it.
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I have to disagree with you there. August is not going strong. How many scenes has she done in the last year? I don't know the answer, but I know it isn't very many. If she wanted to do anal, she could be huge, but she hasn't.
Eva fucks me in the ass. We talked on the show about her and anal sex. She had started doing it for the first time in her personal life and was waiting to maybe do it on film.
August was a different issue that anal though. She got in a relationship she cared a lot about and stopped doing ANY boy/girl work. She went to just girl/girl. I don't think anal sex had anything to do with her slow down in shooting.
"August was a different issue that anal though. She got in a relationship she cared a lot about and stopped doing ANY boy/girl work. She went to just girl/girl. I don't think anal sex had anything to do with her slow down in shooting."
Selena's complete right, as usual.
If you pay attention, August is just now getting back to boy/girl. There was a lull there simply because she was only doing girl/girl. Not because she wouldn't do anal.
I wrote a whole entire essay that was posted at www.hardcoregossip.com about how all girls should study August Night before deciding on the anal issue. (They should also contact Selena for advice) August does not seem comfortable with doing it and has not done it. Contrary to popular belief, that did not kill her career.
Now, August Night...that's a girl who could make April-type money if she ever did anal. She's built up the demand. Nautica Thorn ain't near that yet.
Valjean4876 mentioned Felix Vicious' first anal in Britney Skye's Perversions 2. I think Felix is pretty cute so I checked it out. Unfortunately, she was in so much discomfort that I couldn't bear to watch it all.
Girls doing anal because they enjoy it is great; girls doing it for the paycheck is fine, so long as it doesn't bother them; but girls suffering through it just to satisfy the demands of their fans sucks, frankly.
I just saw that Nautica's website is now taking members. Has anyone ponied up the $24.95 a month yet? I'm curious to hear more about the site's content before joining. That, and I'm on dialup right now anyway.
