The horny, hot, experienced, older (but not too old) woman. It's a standard that should be applied to visuals and archetypes, not if the girl in question happens to have a kid in her private life.
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killbillvol69  All-Star Member  ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 |  Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 8:29PMIt has been discussed in many places that the word MILF is starting to not mean anything at all. Where does the term come from? It comes from young men (likely high school age) looking at their friend's older-but-still-sexy mother, and thinking "man, I want some of that action." So ideally, a MILF would be old enough to have a son in high school (let's say 15 years old), which, unless she gave birth at quite a young age, makes her approx. 35-45 years old (or older). Now, I'm fine with the fact that in porn they sometimes need to change things a bit to work with a woman they want for a particular scene, and that's fine. If she's never given birth to a child, I'm certainly not going to hold it against her. But it seems strange (not to mention grossly inappropriate) to have women in their early twenties being considered MILFs and lots of people not even batting an eyelash. My suspension of disbelief can only be stretched so far. If women in their early twenties are MILFs, then we basically have two categories in porn: teenagers and MILFs. And NOTHING in between. Maybe you get two years, between your 20th and 22nd birthday to be just a porn girl, but you hit 22 and bang! you're in MILF territory. Equally ridiculous, there are some porn fans who refer to a girl as a MILF the moment she has had a child, even if she had a child as a young teenager like several porn girls. Can you imagine a MILF title that includes Julia Ann, Lisa Ann, Stephanie Swift, Shayla Laveaux and Madison Mason as the five older women fucking younger men in the movie? Something's a bit strange, right? Is it the last girl? Does this seem ridiculous to anyone else? I believe that the vast majority of porn fans would never claim that Jenna Haze is a MILF. And, in my opinion, rightly so. Thus, I propose a new rule:What does everyone think? [Link] |
| Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 8:43PM The horny, hot, experienced, older (but not too old) woman. It's a standard that should be applied to visuals and archetypes, not if the girl in question happens to have a kid in her private life. [Link] |
| Leyden Senior Member The people have spoken. I'm a nitpicking dick. Woo! 8751 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 9:35PM Mothers and MILFs. I know where the term comes from but go to any grocery store and see moms with their toddlers and tell me there aren't some moms with toddlers you'd like to fuck. They can be in their early twenties but they are still moms and they are still wonderfully fuckable. The mainsteam MILF term really means a 30-something or even a 40-something. So call them 30-somethings or 40-somethings. Keep it simple. Porn likes to keep things simple. Call a 35 year old woman a 35 year old. Call a mom a mom. [Link] |
| Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 9:49PM Should every MILF release come with a signed affidavit confirming that every woman is actually a mother in real life. Is there any room for acting scenarios? As I said, it's a visual thing - Lisa Ann looks the part. I don't know if she has kids on real life but it doesn't matter, she fits the role. She looks more Milf-y than Brianna Love for example (whom I know left the biz a while back, before returning after having a kid). [Link] |
| RFrog Member 396 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 10:10PM To find "realistic" milfs, I search the amateur websites. I've given up with professional sites. Edited by - RFrog on 4/13/2009 11:10:57 PM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 11:50PM [Link] |
| bouges Member 101 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Apr 13 2009 : 11:54PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 12:04AM [Link] |
| Leyden Senior Member The people have spoken. I'm a nitpicking dick. Woo! 8751 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 12:50AM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 2:02AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 4:19AM I'd say if she's under 35 she can't portray a MILF on film. And please don't pair her with a guy around 40. Then it's no MILF scenario but simply sex between two people of the same age. To make it a MILF scene you have to pair the woman with a guy like James Deen. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 12:01PM Which means that even a 25-year-old woman can be an MILF for an 18-year-old guy. But for older guys, the lady needs to be 35 to 50 years old in order to be considered MILF. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 1:09PM @Dan: I agree with you about the age play, of course. But I would say that in general, a woman 25 yrs old and a man 18 yrs old is not enough separation in age. I mean I know 25 yr olds who hang out with 18 yr olds (the 'college' crowd, where if you're still in school after seven years, you're probably still hanging out with students, some of whom just arrived). As I mentioned in the OP, I think the main idea is that the woman is, or could be, theoretically, the mother of one of the man's friends; requiring far more than seven years of separation in age. [Link] |
| shellacsabotage Member 57 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 2:26PM [Link] |
| JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 3:53PM Why? Because if we look at the origin of the word, its used about one of your friends' mom. So if you are a horny 15 year old, your friend's mom is probably 35+. [Link] |
| Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 4:36PM -I like big boobs [Link] |
| dexington steele Member 816 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 4:49PM But seriously, I agree with you that there's got to be some clarity with this MILF designation. [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 4:57PM Haven't seen a lot of MILF stuff yet, a few of RLD's Momma Knows Best, some very hot women I must admit, though not all experienced enough for anal, which is pretty sad to me. [Link] |
| tylerj Senior Member Double the pleasure, double the fun 2562 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 4:58PM Edited by - tylerj on 4/14/2009 4:59:28 PM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 5:07PM [Link] |
| Redondo5 Member 150 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 6:16PM [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 6:50PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Apr 14 2009 : 8:14PM [Link] |
| sirmartinfrobisher Member 10 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 6:47AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 7:14AM She PORTRAYS a MILF on film/video. The actress has to look and act like a MILF. Obviously many fans are mistaken that porn has anything to do with the private life of the people who PERFORM on film/video. Kylie Ireland for example can pull off the MILF routine very convincingly though she doesn't have kids in real life. Porn is entertainment. People make up things for our entertainment. [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 8:39AM [Link] |
| warrenwest67 Member Thanks for the mammaries. 966 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 9:56AM Her "son" wants to be a rapper and Lex is the guy from the record company or something like that. Anyway her "son" looks like he is there to join in for a 3some. Even Avy giggled when she posted the info about the scene. I haven't seen more than the trailer as of today.All I know is that Any reason to see Avy W/ Lex and his huge pole is a good reason. Maybe its my age, but most of the time I like milf scenes better than your average 18 year old "pony tails" scene. The guys can bang harder and longer, and alot more gigles on the MILFs she 's bangin. It depends on the Woman in the scene of course. [Link] |
| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 10:54AM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 12:35PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 12:36PM The idea is that for the next two years, as Jenna ages, so too will the minimum age for a MILF. So that in 2 years, the minimum age will be 29. This way I'm slowly pushing up the age until we get closer to reasonable territory. Further, the reason I chose Jenna Haze as the example is that while she is no longer a teenager, no one in their right mind would look at her and say "whoa, she's so old, she's in total MILF territory now". So, I figured she'd be a good example of why a woman of her age (or much younger) shouldn't be considered a MILF. I also chose her because I was sure everyone would be familiar with her, as she's a superstar. That's all. As for all of the posters who think I'll have trouble instituting a new universal rule for all makers of pornography... I'm not actually trying to do that. I am however trying to generate a bit of conversation about the idea of a MILF, and also hoping to maybe change a few fans' minds about what makes someone a MILF. Maybe, if I'm extremely lucky, some fans will stop "believing" MILF scenarios where the male talent is 28 and the female talent is 22, yet he's supposed to be a friend of her teenage son. If fewer fans were going for this, maybe fewer directors would make some of these scenes. But I think it's fair to say that I'd never be so lucky as that. Still, it would be nice... [Link] |
| warrenwest67 Member Thanks for the mammaries. 966 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 1:05PM I also love the fact that there are MILF concepts out there. It used to be once a starlet his 27 they were done. I think alot of times, the over 27's have more confidence and seem to enjoy themselves more as well. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 1:30PM And yes, there are many great performers well over the age of 30, 35, 40... that have really learned how to enjoy themselves sexually in ways that some of the younger girls haven't quite done yet, and as a result, we often get to see some fantastic performances from them. [Link] |
| Dommale32 Member 11 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 4:59PM Once the industry gets THAT straightened out, maybe they can put a stop to swapping the terms "Asian" and "Latino" around as if they were interchangeable! *laughs* [Link] |
| kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 10:25PM I believe that when a woman is in her sexual prime, around 30, she wants to get fucked properly and other than stamina and maybe a youthful body/appearance I don't see a reason in the world to fuck a younger guy (around their 20's). As a woman in exactly that state I want a man who knows what he is doing, not a boy. If it must be a boy, then let me say that they should study and learn from Manuel Ferrara and Steve Holmes. Sure there are exceptions to the rule. In our business James Deen is one of them. Not that I have had a one-on-one with him. (AHEM, producers/directors, hint, hint) This might sound weird but honestly, I feel like my sexuality is being wasted in many of my scenes. I certainly go home in a horny mood looking for a MAN to fuck me right after many of my scenes. Someone needs to come up with a snazzy name for us non-Milf Milfs. Just MY 2 cents. And that's about what it's worth. C'mon, you didn't really think you could have a Milf thread without ME butting in now, didja? =) And you get a nifty quote for the end of the year quote thread. [Link] |
| liloleme Senior Member My favorite cartoon as a kid 1666 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Apr 15 2009 : 11:36PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 2:20AM [Link] |
| Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 2:28AM I won't say say 35, but 30. Given the plethora of barely legal titles, it seems like you're "ancient" by the time your 25 in the Adult world. My own personal preference is 35+ however. I think the "do they have kids in real life" thing is semantics. MILF has become a label, one of it's connotations being a separate class from an aforementioned 18-year old. It is the same method by which, in the homosexual world, "bear" denotes a separate class from the young, hairless dudes. Or using another tack, the way certain homes are labeled "ranch homes" or "Victorians". Is every ranch home on an actual working ranch? Was every Victorian home built during the reign of Queen Victoria? Kudos to KillBill for this thread! [Link] |
| Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 3:58PM [Link] |
| JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 4:56PM I thought that my argument was well-founded, but it seems that a lot of people have the opinion that would make it include relatively young porngirls in their late 20s, and what will decide the meaning of words in the long run is always usage. So despite the fact that (I think) it is meaningless to have a term that applies to girls of the same ages and looks like any other girl in porn, if thats how people feel about it, then thats how it will be in the end. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 12:18AM The reason I chose a slightly younger woman as the "cut-off" was, as I said, a sort of compromise for the industry, which is currently using women even far younger than that as MILFs. And my idea was also to take that young age (27), and have it get older each year - so that next year the "cut-off" age would be 28, and then 29, etc. until one day we would be at a reasonable age for a MILF. The only people who are really disagreeing with you are those who believe the term has nothing to do with a woman's age, and everything to do with whether she has a child in real life or not. I disagree with that idea, but I'll post more about that later. What I'm saying JohnW is this: despair not, for you have many compatriots in this thread. [Link] |
| kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 8:20PM BTW - that "reposting" of my message is pure CJ. I love the way he takes only pieces of my post so that I come off looking totally whiny and bitchy, when in reality my post was much more PC. CJ must have worked in the news media world at some point! ;) Edited by - kylie ireland on 4/17/2009 8:26:38 PM [Link] |
| kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 8:23PM [Link] |
| liloleme Senior Member My favorite cartoon as a kid 1666 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 8:39PM [Link] |
| Redondo5 Member 150 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 8:43PM EDIT: add Sativa Rose to that list of former c-cup natural beauties... Edited by - redondo5 on 4/17/2009 8:50:14 PM [Link] |
| RFrog Member 396 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 10:16PM 15 year old boys are masturbating and fantasizing about friends' moms or neighborhood moms. I sure did. I didn't actually fuck any of them. But it was a fantasy. Weird (to her) to fuck someone the same age as her son??? Perhaps. But... this is his fantasy, not hers. [Link] |
| RFrog Member 396 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 10:29PM When you see MILFs, note their hairstyles, their clothes, their mannerisms, etc. And remember, if she's 36 to 44 and good-looking with teenage kids... chances are her kids' teenage friends want to bang her. [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 11:25PM ;) Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 4/17/2009 11:31:39 PM[Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 11:59PM [Link] |
| kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03 | Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 1:12AM [Link] |
| liloleme Senior Member My favorite cartoon as a kid 1666 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 1:15AM [Link] |
| kylie ireland Member Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies. 598 Posts 11/03 | Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 1:42AM My god, I never really considered that it would come across on film. I don't know why. (Of course a good editor would be helpful in masking some of that.) However I guess that is entirely true. I usually try to twist it in my head and take pleasure out of the fact that I am fucking with some poor newbie male talent's head. -- I remember one scene - and I can't tell you which one - when during the scene this new guy actually had his cock in me and was checking his watch... "Let's see", he said, "they (this particular company) usually shoot 5 minutes per position; hard and soft, so we should be done by 6:35." I wanted to shake him and yell "Pay fucking attention! Your COCK is IN MY PUSSY! Heeellllooooo???" Cause this kid was like fucking a cardboard cutout of a guy...only with less papercuts. I finally got a nifty little vibrator out of my bag and when they cut I would amuse myself with that. What happened is that there was a guy on the crew who I had hit it off with - we had flirted for years on sets, but I was married back then and not in an open relationship - and Mr. Crew Dude and I had been exchanging glances when no one was paying attention and he was watching me masterbating wtih the little vibrator, he came into the bathroom when I was getting ready to shower after the scene and we fucked, hard, rough and heated. That made the day much better. Of course when I got home and confessed to being such a dirty girl on the set....wellllll, we will just say I got fucked properly again. =) -- Nina and I were discussing REAL MILF women...and would any of them REALLY want a younger guy? Perhaps. I thought no way at first, but I realized that if a woman is married to some guy for 10 years who ignores her or is always working or the shine is off the romance, well, she would be pretty happy having ANY guy pay attention to her. And there is the thrill of doing something forbidden and taboo. And the attraction of youth, a in-shape body and stamina (maybe). However I still don't think any real-life Milfs are getting satisfactory sex from their son's friends. Maybe I am wrong. I have actually turned down scenes because I just didn't want to do it because I knew I would be bored. As I have said before, I have some 400+ movies under my belt. At this point I am doing it because I want to, not for another movie title or even for money. There are some exceptions to the rule when it comes to young guys, like James Deen, but overall....sigh. That's why as a director I try to put people in scenes that WANT to fuck each other. Novel idea huh? Okay, enough of storytime for now. Edited by - kylie ireland on 4/18/2009 1:49:24 AM [Link] |
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