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equippedblk
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6 Posts
7/11
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 6:10PM
New member here but have been scanning the forum for a while now.
It used to be said that “the customer is always right” but far too often nowadays this is not the case. Furthermore people will pay for what they want.
With this in mind, I propose a new adult performer compensation system that would be mutually agreeable to all parties involved (studios, stars, and fans). Here’s how it could work.

Adult Performers
Performers could use marketing research to find out if there is significant demand for a particular scene in a genre. A poll on their websites (if applicable), forums like this and retail sites like Adult Video Universe for example could be helpful in data collection. Then, using social media and their websites they could announce that they are willing to do a particular scene if a certain dollar amount is reached in a specified period of time.

Fans
Fans would then pledge a certain amount based on their means using their credit or debit cards that would be captured by a reputable third party entity like CCBill, Epoch, or Paypal. These funds would be captured at the time of transaction and refunded to the fan if for some reason the target amount for the scene was not reached in allotted amount of time or the performer was unwilling or unable to live up to actually doing the scene.

Third Party Entities
The third party entity would be responsible for reporting to the pledger the amount that has been raised via email, etc over the course of time. This would prevent the performer from sitting on one amount yet reporting another to the fans.
Studios
The studios would still be responsible for paying fair market value per scene despite what the performer raises on his/her own from their agreement with the fans. Studios could promote and market the performer’s particular scene in the genre as they already do. However, this would be revenue neutral for the studios in terms of additional compensation for performers.
In the end, fans get the porn we want, the performer earns more, and the studios sell just as many units if not more.

Practical Example: Based on several polls, many fans would like to see Alexis Texas do an interracial scene. Alexis Texas agrees to do an IR scene with Mr. Marcus if she is compensated $10,000 for the scene by the fans who want her to perform the scene by 10/15/11. She tweets this as well as promotes her fund raising drive on her website with links to the third party for payment. I along with a few thousand other fans pledge a few bucks and the goal reached by 9/5/11. They go into production mode and by 11/1/11 “X” studio releases “Alexis Texas Goes Black: The First Ever Fan Subsidized Adult Film”. The film is a huge success and even wins an AVN. More top tier performers adopt this model and the industry is changed forever. THE END

BTW, I’m not in the industry at all just a fan.
Peoples Temple
Member

People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity.
674 Posts
5/11
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 6:54PM
People do not like to be boxed into a corner with rules and regulations. It is a business/industry killer. Nice concept but impractical.
equippedblk
Member

6 Posts
7/11
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 7:57PM
I have to disagree, giving the fans a voice and including them in the creative process is great for business (ever take a post-transaction survey?). Furthermore, sales would increase because people will want to see what they have invested in. Third party companies will get new business that otherwise would never exist. Finally, the personal income for the individual performers would increase as well and rightly so.
ControlFreak
Member

At the end of the day, it is what it is.
629 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 8:10PM
hmmm...
You know, you mentioned the performer's website. Well, performers already have complete freedom on their website. They can shoot a downloadable or streamable scene on their website without involving 'the industry' per se. Each performer that has a website can conduct her own internal polling and shoot scenes for her website and charge what she wants for the 'premium scene'. And she doesn't have to use a high dollar male performer to perform the genre.
equippedblk
Member

6 Posts
7/11
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 9:17PM
Very true but the difference is, the performer doesn't have the backing of a major studio behind her in promoting her first scene in a genre so the market for that scene is very targeted. Only her most loyal fans would even know about the scene if it was just on her website. The performer wouldn't be able to reach the causal purchaser of porn who happens to notice a video case while strolling the local adult toy store.
For instance I recently became a fan of a performer that I happened to see on the cover of a studio produced DVD. I sought her out on this website to see if she had anything else out and ended up buying another DVD featuring this performer. I eventually went to her website only to find that it was very limited and didn't feature a genre that I was interested in. This experience was the impetus for trying to design a mechanism whereby everyone gets exactly what they want by empowering the performer and the fan while letting the studio do what it does best.

 
mharris127
Senior Member

1844 Posts
8/09
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 9:29PM
I think if these people are paying the performer extra on top of the studio paying the performer for the scene that the donors should at least get the DVD for free or have it included in the price of the donation. I don't think the customer should essentially be required to pay twice as your system proposes. I would say have a minimum contribution for the free DVD that is ten dollars above what would otherwise be charged by the performer, the performer pay the studio for the DVD out of the revenue stream at a steeply discounted rate covering their costs per unit and the system would then have a chance to work. The performer could then raise the amount wanted (in this example say $4000 for 400 DVDs) to cover the cost of the DVDs. The performer still gets her $10K and the customer gets a DVD of the scene/movie out of the deal. The average donation in this case (14,000 divided by 400) would be $35, which is not much over what a customer would pay anyway. The studio is still free to sell the movie at the usual $29.99 or $39.99 to the other customers and make a profit from it as only 400 people would be paying the donation rate. The studio only loses $8K out of the deal ($19.99 multiplied by 400) but gets a scene that would potentially make up for that financial hit from the donation scheme and then some (we are talking a Bree Olson or a Kagney Lynn Karter doing a first time on video act, not a run of the mill performer).
In the OP's case, Alexis Texas and Mr. Marcus would both participate in the scheme and you could double the quoted numbers as two performers would be participating with 400 customers each. The $16K ($8K multiplied by two) hit the studio takes could actually net them a profit as the first time interracial scene (in this example) would allow them to sell more units at $29.99 or $39.99 each (at $29.99 with a $10 cost the number of extra units to break even under this scheme would be 804). I guarantee a first time interracial with a top billing star would sell more than 804 more units than a run of the mill movie.
equippedblk
Member

6 Posts
7/11
Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 10:01PM
Thanks for the inpute and I agree that paying twice isn't ideal. I posted this plan as a rudementary concept in hopes that others would chime in and make it better with the sole goal being empowering fans by giving us a voice in the process. Maybe an industry insider will stumble upon this and make "custom" porn a reality.
Peoples Temple
Member

People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity.
674 Posts
5/11
Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 12:13AM
Equipped,
I'm in favor of creativity and you are obviously a creative person. I am NOT in favor of smothering rules, regulations, laws, guidelines, penalties, warnings, threats and restrictions. This would all come about if your ideas were adopted.
Is it not enough I have to get an FBI warning every single time I load a DVD???? I'm frankly sick of all the threatening notices and find it annoying when I press my skip button or fast forward button but it is usually rendered useless because they disable the feature and I have to wait for the threatening notice from the FBI to go away. Why must I read about my potential imprisonment every time I want to view something for entertainment?
Your thoughts would come with endless warnings, restrictions, penalties and more interference from authorities.
This has been tried on our economy and it has failed. Business does not like interference by law makers. The adult industry should be left alone, people will decide what they want, those who provide it will prosper, those who do not will vanish.
There has never been more options to choose from in porn than today.
Tolham
Member

10 Posts
7/11
Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 1:59AM
there definitely needs to be a change in the industry. however, i don't think a donation system is going to work.
i think porn stars need to unionize, then the union should start their own website - a hulu/netflix for porn.
there would need to be plenty of free content to draw people, but for new releases they could charge say $0.99 for 3 viewings or something.
the website could start off like this:
the studios gather their old videos that they've already made a profit on, and let the website stream them for free to the public. when a user views one of these old videos, there's a quick 5 - 10 second commercial before the video starts (the video would be uninterrupted from then on). the money made from this commercial gets split between the website and the studios. this has a two-fold effect: the free streaming of properly tagged & cataloged porn will draw viewers. the money-for-nothing deal will get the studios interested in doing business.

then:
current, popular porn stars make a few cheap videos for the website to stream for free (again, with a quick commercial where the money gets split between the site and the star). this will draw more fans and have them (us) begging for professional content. this will give the newly formed union some clout to make deals with the studios that give the stars fairer treatment (namely royalties).
there could be different payment plans as well. of course there would always need to be a plethora of free content that doesn't require any registration, but new videos would cost money. perhaps one plan could be: as mentioned above, in order to stream new videos, a user could pay $0.99 or something for a few viewings. then another plan could be: register, pay a monthly fee to stream all new videos without a surcharge or a viewing limit.

ControlFreak
Member

At the end of the day, it is what it is.
629 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 6:43AM
In general I agree with you, but I think in the hypothetical case that you cited; i.e. Alexis Texas does IR, the word would get around very well. It seems to me that the only thing the major studios are good at promoting these days is xxx parodies and features. When I walk into a DVD store, those are the posters I see. I've never noticed a poster of some performer's first anal--not to say it isn't there--I just didn't notice. And if her objective is to make $10,000 for a scene, she just needs a couple thousand downloads of $4.95 premium content. Or really, maybe not even that. 300 new memberships at her regular $29.95 (or whatever it is) monthly price will make an extra $10,000. And it behooves these girls to make their websites quality.
Edited by - ControlFreak on 7/23/2011 6:58:42 AM
Peoples Temple
Member

People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity.
674 Posts
5/11
Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 1:02PM
Come now, unionize? How can you unionize unless you want to have the same people performing to ad nausea. Many performers are one and done or have very short careers. Who will be paying the union dues? Without union dues, the union falls apart.
It's a personal preference but there is not a single adult performer I care to see over and over again, it loses its appeal no matter how good they look, the sex becomes boring. A steady stream of first timers, new comers, fresh faces can't be beat. I find the one and done girls to deliver some of the more memorable performances.
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