Anyway, it's a good analysis on the market situation in Europe and I think your right on spot, except for size of the marketshare. If the best of the US companies made a serious move to sell their stuff in Europe they would very easily get the majority of the European market.

The thing with the 90 min running time seem to be some kind of law in Europe, and it really pisses me of. Value for money in European porn? Forget about it! Unfortunately a European company like DDFprod has even managed to impose this stupidity on their US distributor New Sensations/Digital Sin.

I think uncensored Euroversions from the US companies would be really great. Nacho made a fisting Scene i "No Limits 2" but pixilated the scene, and Rocco already have euro versions of his movies.

Edited by - ingenmann on 8/5/2003 4:19:40 PM

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First off, define 'energetic American Gonzo style', or give
the aspects of it that you think are missing from current
European releases.

Next what are the weights, or relative importance of your
requirements? Is price more important than content? Is 'gonzo-ness' more important than fisting/pissing scenes?
If I wanted to be really annoying, I'd ask you to do pair-wise ranking of the elements. (And if I could do a table easily here, I'd do it anyway...)

For example:
Let's say that Videorama's "Poker mit dem Fetisch" does out on DVD and has been expanded from 90 minutes to 120.
(I don't know how, I'm making this up....). So you have a 120 minute very hardcore European DVD with bondage, fetish/latex, fisting and pissing. It's still EUR40, though. Does that blow your niche requirements?

My personal take is that Adult Video Netherlands is doing some work that would meet most of your requirements, and at your price point. Leading producers like Videorama and DBM are meeting your content requirements, but not at your price-point. But that's just my opinion, I'm more curious to find out more exactly what you're looking for.

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I think nudity is looking for a movie like Hardball 20 or Animal Trainer 4, at 140 minutes, with Evil Angel-like DVD extras, but with fisting and pissing and such included in the sex, and this doesn't exist in my limited experience with European produced porn.

FWIW, I had a talk about this subject with Manuel Ferrara in Vegas back in January. It is no accident that he and Steve Holmes set up their own company in the USA with American partners. He complained about European companies, and how it wouldn't be possible with them to put out over 2 hour movies with lots of DVD extras.

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the reason of no european gonzo is...the lack of money

only us companies can afford video with 10-15 girls

there is in USA a part of population which are "passionate" with porn

there 's not that kind of people in Europe

the proof: i have to contribute and share in a US forum and i'm quite surprised by the quality of this one

imagine that tomorrow US people turn crazy about soccer

i'm sure that David Beckham and Zinedine Zidane (our most expensive star in Europe)would play in "Los Angeles Soccer Team" or in "New York Soccer Jets" (lol)

you american people are richer than us and that's why I see this incredible thing :a french guy like christoph clark turn from basic actor to a rich producer for the american people and me in France I have to wait one year to see his products !! it is the "french paradox" ... (and many guys are french ...Woodman ...Le Castel)

that's the reason why you won't never see European gonzo (i mean fulfilling American Standards)

Edited by - billy344 on 8/5/2003 2:11:39 PM

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If someone can explain this "european 90-min" problem i´d be glad. I am wondering for years why i almost never see a 120 min movie from european companies. It´s even worse ... back in the days when the Buttslammer and Buttman titles were sold to the same (euro) company they "sliced" them into 90 min tapes . Since i wasn´t one of the "dumb" consumers i knew what was going on. The rest of these 120 min tapes was "cut" into a senseless compilation tape. That´s when i started to look for the original stuff in other sources than the local stores. Little did i know that an adult has no rights when it comes to ordering porn by mail ... but that´s another story.

I wonder if US companies are ok with the distribution and/or sale of original US DVDs within the euro market ... even though some us companies are selling the rights to their movies to euro-companies.

Oh and by the way ... guess what the original version of "Fashionistas" costs in a store here (you can email me i´ll tell you then)

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For the last year, I've worked in a Swedish video shop. We carry basically two kinds of movies:
*1) High-class American videos, with great production values - good looking women, high energy content, good lighting and camera, basically good editing on average, etc. You know: RLD, Ana/Diabolic, Evil Empire, Platinum X, DVSX - and some channel 69, New sensations, Seymore, Homemade, Xplor and the like.
*2) Low-class Euro productions with virtyally NO production values, but with harder, more fetish-oriented content. You know (or perhaps you don't?): GGG/666 by JT, Inflagranti, Avantgarde Extreme, Magma and countless cellar-companies.

Our customers are very picky about what kind of porn they seek. Some rent/buy ONLY quality porn as in *1 above. They are looking for fresh girls, good photo, high energy anal, A2M, DAP - US style. Some rent/buy ONLY low grade junk as in *2 above. They are looking for fetish content like pissing, fisting, enemas given and expelled on camera, hard D/s (dominance/submission) stuff, etc.

Admittedly, there are some US productions that come close to combine the best form type *1 and type *2. Rocco comes close is Animal Trainer #4. Some scenes with Nacho and Belladonna come close. Some of Brandon Iron's work comes close. Extreme's CUM Catchers and B Iron's Slap Happy came close. Max Hardcore would come close if someone gave him a bigger cock *sorry 'bout that one*.

The bottom line is this: It would take so very little for US porn to sweep the carpet from under the European companies' feet. Take a recent release from PXP for example: I Love It Rough, directed by Brandon Iron.

In the first scene, Ashly (Ashley?) More has a rough encounter with Nacho Vidal. There is some choking, some deepthroat, some gagging, some spitting, some slapping, and some pretty good anal footage. The intensity could have been higher, but it was pretty darn hot anyway...
After that scene, Nacho drags Ashly out to where some of his friends are waiting, dicks in hands. There is some rough oral, with plenty of gagging and deepthroat, and then Ashly gets almost drowned in thick cum.

So very little would have to be added to this scene to make it appeal to the kinkier european customers. Brandon could have asked Ashly to prepare for the anal and A2M's on set. He could have helped her with her enemas in a scene like the one Chloe and Ernest Greene (Ira Levine) did for Buttman and Tristan Taormino in TT's Guide to Anal Sex. Only he could make sure to catch the last enema expulsion (the clean one, hopefully) on tape. All this could be done Gonzo style, in a very behind-the-scenes fashion, without too much fuss about lighting etc.
Then in the scene with Nacho, there could be some more slapping and choking (misogyny, as some would call it) and perhaps some more D/s elements.
And when the guys had spooged on Ashley's face, they could give her a golden shower to help clean her up. Followed, of course, by a P.O.V blowjob to Brandon, as he followed her into the bathroom afterwards.

In the FemDom scene with Jewel De’Nyle and Steve Holmes, the European version could show us the scene where Jewel takes a pee in Steve's mouth ;) And she could have taken him from behind with a strap-on, since she already fingered his ass ;) And he could perhaps have returned the favor of the golden shower?

Rocco is of course the master of this rough sex genre, with his scenes with Kelly and Sandy, just to mention a few examples. It wouldn't be so very difficult for US directors to lift their scenes to that level and beyond in "kink factor". Oh - there's an idea! Brandon Iron, you should have a series called "Euro Factor", as in Euro=Kink. Plenty of gagging, rough deepthroat, high intensity anal and the fetish elements from the best of European porn!

Euro-enhanced US porn, that would be the next level in porn! The directors would just have to spend a few months a year in Budapest and Prague, shooting the stuff.

//Karl, the Swede

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1) Real sound uptakes. Original sound. European companies like Videorama and DBM dub their movies with incredibly stupid-sounding dialogue and moaning. (of course, you have to, if the director is constantly talking, like for example Pierre Woodman tends to do while directing) Take a film you distribute, for example: Schlampen mit der Faust Gefickt (Videorama). I own this film on VHS, and the audio is horrible.

2) English spoken. Face it - not even Swedes enjoy listening to German audio. Making film in any language other than English is to limit one's audience! Bad English is the universal language of porn!

3) Good Chemistry on the set. GGG movies are perhaps the worst example of when the actors are completely depersonified - totally stripped of identity. Sure, "strassenflirts" and the like depict real people and conveys a feeling of reality and chemistry, but seen as a whole, Euro porn does not!

4) Related to #3 above, Gonzo. I mean Gonzo in it's broadest sense - tha lack of a given script! The trend in US porn to have the talent walk in on the set, talk a bit to the director and then start fucking in whatever positions they feel like, is an evolution in porn! It gives you high energy scenes when there is chemistry. It gives you that virtual reality feeling. When the acting is good enough, you can imagine that they aren't acting. This is sadly lacking in European porn - broadly speaking, again.

That pretty much covers it. I'll get back to it, if I think of anything else.

Oh, right away, I can add:

5) Good camerawork, like that of Stagliano, Vince Voyer, Mike John, Joey Silvera, Brandon Iron, etc.

6) P.O.V scenes (some by Phillipe Soine, I know)

7) Intensity - I mean the Rocco-style sweaty fucking seen in US productions!

//Karl, the Swede

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