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pil008
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138 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 12 2008 : 9:22AM
I'm really looking forward to Michael Ninn's new movie, The Four, this looks like the Ninn movie I've been waiting for since "Shock".
There aren't enough visionaries in the porn world and the fact that he's taking a (hopefully short) hiatus from making movies means that there will be less art-porn (actually I hate that term, but its the closest there is to what he and Andrew Blake does) in the world.
I've got my fingers crossed that when he does return he'll do an Asian-themed movie.
Harry_ Palms08
Member

371 Posts
5/08
Posted - Jun 13 2008 : 12:42PM
The Four will be an interesting movie to see, I am also looking forward to it coming out, it seems to have a pretty strong cast..Ive always enjoyed Brea Bennet, and Alexis Love movies. We will just have to see if it can be one of the top titles of 08.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Jul 2 2008 : 2:29AM
With all the recent turmoil at NinnWorx_SR, will The Four EVER be completed and released?
john lyons
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Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome
1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Jul 2 2008 : 10:44AM
Isn't it done and just in post? If so I don't see why it would be shelved.
I watched the trailer for it and unfortunately, it looked rather drab. Lots of costumes and lousy computer animation but not much else.
maltedecker All-Star Supporter
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369 Posts
5/07
Posted - Jul 2 2008 : 10:49AM
Haha...I hated the computer stuff too. We'll see. I think it's a "rent first" for me...
 
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Jul 2 2008 : 2:42PM
I know it's all shot, but with Ninn kicked out of the company, are they just going to have someone else edit it?
Flash All-Star Supporter
Golden Age Classic

11017 Posts
5/01
Posted - Jul 2 2008 : 2:59PM
Ninn Worx is minus the Ninn now?
maltedecker All-Star Supporter
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369 Posts
5/07
Posted - Jul 3 2008 : 4:43AM
Yep, they separated...His new company will be called IMNINN iirc...I think it was posted somewhere here in the news...I'll dig out the AVN article later!
Edit: Here's the link: AVN Story
Edited by - maltedecker on 7/3/2008 7:33:41 AM
john lyons
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1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Jul 3 2008 : 4:20PM
Probably. I think it's rather stupid that they kicked Ninn out. Granted I don't care for his stuff but at least he tries.
TheLoneGunman
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400 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jul 9 2008 : 1:36PM
So if Michael Ninn no longer sees any profit from THE FOUR (I've heard he no longer "owns" the movie) are we doing him a disservice by buying/renting it?
Thoughts?
john lyons
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1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Jul 9 2008 : 2:45PM
No, I wouldn't say that anyone would be doing Ninn a disservice by renting or buying the film. In fact, if the film were to be a huge success it could even encourage Ninnworx to try and strike a better deal with Ninn and possibly getting him back on board (although that's probably not gonna happen regardless).
After all, it's not like most directors in any type of film actually have real final cut on their work or see a profit after it's been released.
Many directors have disowned some of their films because they weren't allowed final cut.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Jul 23 2008 : 4:29PM
So does anyone know what the status of this movie is? I'm worried it won't come out by sept. 30th, the cutoff release date for AVN award nomination consideration. I would love to see this movie go up against Pirates II for best video feature. That would be an awesome battle. Without seeing either, which do you think would win?
Flash All-Star Supporter
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11017 Posts
5/01
Posted - Jul 23 2008 : 4:44PM
I can't say without seeing either. Blind speculation means absolutely nothing.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Jul 24 2008 : 12:19AM
It's obviously impossible to tell which movie is better without actually seeing the movies. But, I was posing that question based purely on the politics behind the awards. I would guess Pirates would beat The Four on the politics criterium, because DP seems to advertise more than Ninn Worx.
Anyway, back to the real point. Does anyone have any way of finding out what the status is with The Four? Will it be released???
Flash All-Star Supporter
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11017 Posts
5/01
Posted - Jul 24 2008 : 2:11AM
I would assume that it is coming out I can't see them dropping that much money on a project just to shelf it because of a dispute.
 
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Jul 25 2008 : 2:46AM
john lyons
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1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Jul 25 2008 : 10:15AM
It's still showing up on the homepage of this site with a late August release date.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 11:21PM
On The Homepage of which site?
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11/99
Posted - Aug 21 2008 : 9:27AM
I don't have any special information. We get release dates from stores/studios.
john lyons
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1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Aug 21 2008 : 10:43AM
THIS site. Though I haven't seen it in some time.
Girlyman
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29 Posts
10/06
Posted - Aug 21 2008 : 9:42PM
That's the gayest looking porn movie trailer I've ever seen.
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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4/08
Posted - Aug 21 2008 : 10:12PM
^It looked like a really poor imitation of 300, trying to copy it in every way possible, thematically, stylistically, cinematographically (is that a word?), etc. BUT with terrible acting and special effects that obviously don't compare at all. And no sex.
Sometimes a big budget is not a good idea. As for the four hot stars of this movie... if the preview is to be believed, you would never even see them naked, let alone having sex.
Flyboy
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227 Posts
5/06
Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 5:18PM
My favorite part?
Marco Banderas pouring Kool-Aid on himself. I laughed for hours.
BigFerret
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Searching for blonde and red bush
1985 Posts
10/02
Posted - Aug 23 2008 : 10:47AM
My thoughts exactly. I'd have to see some fuck shots before I blew the cash to get this.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 8 2008 : 11:14PM
I definitely don't think this is going to be released in time this year for the avn awards (if it is EVER released)
 
Flash All-Star Supporter
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11017 Posts
5/01
Posted - Sep 9 2008 : 2:40AM
Most sites seem to have changed the release date to 'tbd' which doesn't bode well for it making it on time. X-Rent has changed the release date to 9/30. I don't know if they are just betting that it will make it out in time or if they have information the other retailers haven't entered yet.
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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6/05
Posted - Sep 9 2008 : 9:32AM
XRent regularly waits until a previously announced release date on a title is come and gone, before they push the release date back on their own site. For some titles, pushing a release date back another week can be a weekly occurrence.
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4/08
Posted - Sep 9 2008 : 5:55PM
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 9 2008 : 11:47PM
I don't think it happened. What crap..
phatbasey
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1390 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 10 2008 : 1:28AM
This is odd, that nobody on the board knows anybody involved. How about Michael himself?? (I know he had a falling out with the company but I would bet my good testicle he know exactly what is going on with this film anyhow.) This is not MILF volume 37 this is a major motion picture here.
Edited by - phatbasey on 9/10/2008 1:30:36 AM
XXXenophile
Member

343 Posts
1/07
Posted - Sep 10 2008 : 1:51AM
Ninn has put out a press release telling the company "You put out the movie the way it is you'll get sued. I've got final edit approval and you haven't let me." more or less.
So it looks like they're holding off on it till that gets resolved.
wusshater
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197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 10 2008 : 2:46AM
WHAT? I can't believe I haven't seen this, when did he put it out? Do you have any links to it?
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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4/08
Posted - Sep 11 2008 : 1:45AM
^Here's the link.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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5/01
Posted - Sep 11 2008 : 2:08PM
Interesting, not often do I read a director explicitly stating not to use their edit. From the sound he may be trying to separate himself from the movie, which is a bad sign.
john lyons
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Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome
1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Sep 11 2008 : 3:57PM
I read it more as Ninn saying "this wasn't my final cut" rather than "don't use my edit."
 
wusshater
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I'd rather go to work and be abused by others than stay at home and abuse myself
197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 11 2008 : 6:27PM
This movie is not coming out for a LOOONNNNGGGG time
if ever
wusshater
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I'd rather go to work and be abused by others than stay at home and abuse myself
197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 3:24PM
Pirates 2 is now definitely a lock for Best Video Feature at the AVN Awards.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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11017 Posts
5/01
Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 4:42PM
How can a movie be a lock before it is seen? Maybe it's going to bite and another title will take the spot.
ems_guy
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156 Posts
3/06
Posted - Sep 15 2008 : 6:26PM
I agree with flash! I have seen quite a few movie trailers that really hyped the film into looking like it was the best thing ever, and when I finally watched the movie I was less than impressed. There are a lot of good films coming out in September before the awards deadline and it would be crazy to say which one will probably get the award.
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wusshater
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I'd rather go to work and be abused by others than stay at home and abuse myself
197 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 18 2008 : 3:50PM
Well, call me crazy, but I believe that Pirates 2 is 100% guaranteed to win Best Video Feature. I would bet my left nut in fact. Plus, I don't think it will have much to do with whether the movie is actually good or not.
john lyons
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Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome
1188 Posts
1/08
Posted - Sep 18 2008 : 5:09PM
Yeah, that's pretty much how all awards shows go. It's not quality that counts but prestige.
IMO, Pirates SUCKS and I can't image the sequel being much better.
And, in case anyone forgot, due to the lack of real artists who want to shoot film, AVN has done away with the best film (aka best Paul Thomas film) category so it's just going to be best feature, no differentiation between film and video.
I'd actually like to see Thomas win this year. Cry Wolf was really good and I'm sure when Pirates 2 comes out, it still won't hold a candle to Wolf.
Girlyman
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29 Posts
10/06
Posted - Sep 18 2008 : 9:33PM
It's pretty much accepted in the industry that the awards are solely based on how much a company pays for advertising in whatever publication is giving out the awards. If it was really based on quality, a lot of the films that have won in the past would never have won. So based on that, I would think Pirates 2 has a good shot of winning even though no one has even seen it yet and the first one was cheesy.
Painless
Member

436 Posts
5/05
Posted - Oct 13 2008 : 1:27AM
The second Pirates was even better than the first one, in lighting, if nothing else. I only wish the editing wasn't so all-over-the-place.
LadyB
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161 Posts
2/05
Posted - Oct 18 2008 : 10:57PM
'The Four' trailer was edited that way on purpose. It was aimed at a general audience/PG saing, so it could be promoted through YouTube, ComicCon, at AEE and cut into a PG-13/R rated feature film for mainstream.. At least that was the plan before the split. Ninn had a rough R cut ready by May 29, waiting for a distribution deal with a mainstream company.
I have heard various dates of release, including the September 2008 date with the party (which neither came to pass.) I have no accurate information from any one inside of NWSR, however some members of the press have said their inquires on the release of 'The Four' have yielded the answer of "February 2009".
Michael Ninn (who by the way DOES have the right to use his name) was not allowed to finish editing the movie for the hard core version (and there were about 12 hardcore scenes, including a fucking HOT one with Cassidey and Reno), nor was he able to finish the final, fully-polished edit of the R version.
From what I understand from personal conversations with Ninn, what he is trying to do at this time is have his name removed from the movie, or stop it from being released if his name is left on it, or if at all possible stopping the release entirely. There are also copy right issues that have to be addressed before the movie can be released as well....
From what I have seen (again R rated, and not entirely finished cut) 'The Four' is a stunning movie. Michael did incredible work on it, the Ninn Girls and everyone else on screen did a fantastic job in very physically demanding roles. I have never seen the hardcore, but I was there when most of it was shot, and it is good stuff. Again, the scene with Cassidey and Reno is off the chart. I hope this movie is finally released at some point, as every single person actively involved put their blood, sweat and a whole lot of tears into this thing (literally), and it deserves to be seen. However, I have no idea if it would be what it should be if it is not edited with Michael's vision intact, and his talent behind what appears on the screen.

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killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 18 2008 : 11:11PM
^What I got from the above post is two things:
1. The unbelievably terrible and obvious knock-off of 300 that we saw in the trailer was intended to be released as a no-sex-scenes version for the general public. This sounds like a terrible idea. I know they did this with Pirates, and supposedly some people watched it, but I can't imagine who. Why watch a movie with a budget of (I'm just making up numbers here for comparison) one million dollars, with pretty people who are insanely terrible at acting, trying to knock off a good movie, when you could just watch the original, that had a budget of fifty million dollars, with pretty people who are good at acting?
2. Realistically, this movie is never coming out. The terrible things that the Bible warns of in the Book of Revelations will occur before either the X-rated or the R-rated version of this film sees the light of day.
Cuddly Wombat
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12/04
Posted - Oct 19 2008 : 9:20AM
After all the hoopla at this Year's AEE, I am sorely tempted to walk around the AEE in January in a pair of leather underpants with a sign around my neck saying "Ninnworx SR!: You Suck Persian Balls!!"
It won't stop me going to the Spearmint Rhino, of course ...
LadyB
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161 Posts
2/05
Posted - Oct 19 2008 : 2:57PM
I'll keep an eye out for ya Cuddly Wombat. ;)
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TerriRedor
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2/03
Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 10:09PM
If "Michael Ninn" is "Michael Ninn's" real name, SR bought only the name "NinnWorx".
From what I've gathered, you can't trademark your real name, only a fictitious business name.
Score one for the real Michael Ninn.
SR and MN should kiss and make up. It's the easiest way out of this mess.
I'd like a photo of the kiss to post on my website.
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Posted - Dec 13 2008 : 12:41PM
Michael Saint
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2/01
Posted - Dec 27 2008 : 11:52AM
Actually some of the girls may have given people the impression at last years show that their was not much sex in this title or they were only doing g-g. What I later found out is that the principle sex scenes were yet to be shot. It seems they focused on all the non-sex stuff in order to get some of the extras and a trailer out of the way first.
redman67
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12/08
Posted - Dec 28 2008 : 3:18PM
I'm hoping for an Asian themed movie. Wicked and David Allen Clark from Metro make some pretty decent Asian features.
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