I get turned on just by the sounds of sex, but mostly what I hear from the getgo is a bunch of caterwauling, barking seals and "Oh FUCK yeah"

I just wanted to add that this is my new favorite topic title of the week.

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It's OK, see? I'm putting down the crack pipe.

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Oh..oh..oh...sorry, I just reread that, had to edit. You said foreign concept . Damn, and I was getting all worked up, too.

Hey, don't put that pipe down, pass it to me, I've always been told my ideas are pipe dreams, anyway. Might as well be sweaty, yammering, pacing, can't get it up dreams, right?

Hey, I've got one of those crazy ideas: slide show porn!

Gag..click ..
gag..click ..
gape..click ..
gape..click ..
gush..click ..
gulp!

Bring on the fresh meat! I'm gonna be RICH!

Sorry, I'll try to think of a serious reply after lunch. I'm still woozy from all that vitriol.

Edited by - cobalt60 on 5/13/2004 12:31:09 PM

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Again, though... I'm not sure that those moments are MEANT to elicit the reaction that I have to them. I think a lot of it is me seeing what I want to see... of them simply giving me the opportunity to choose what I want to get out of it, rather than having genital cam, cock and cunt shots fill all 27 inches of my screen from start to finish. Therefore, I'm not sure that my observations are really all that useful.

Like you say, though, I'm all for the hardcore action, and several directors still capture it extraordinarily well, but in my eyes, it's just better when there's something more substantial there than just plain ol' couch fucking. Shane's World does this, and their sex is enhanced by it, although I think there's still a lot more to explore there. Joey does it by play acting fantasies, and creating an atmosphere that's conducive to revealing personality, but he also manages to keep his eye on the ball in terms of who's turned on and WHY. John Leslie finds much different ways to do it through risky production elements and a mature sexual atmosphere. Still though... there's more to explore, I think.

I don't know... maybe one source of inspiration for someone who really wants to do something differnt in porn would be the hundreds of thousands of erotic stories that people are writing and sharing on the internet. Granted, many of them are no more substantive than todays double anal stretch fests in porn, but a surprising number explore context and character in such a way that might teach porn directors a thing or two. Granted, they are completely different media, and it would be extraoridinarily difficult to translate from one to the other... but I'm just talking about inspiration here not necessarily literal translation, and if there's one thing that much of the porn industry needs right now, it's inspiration.

At least... that's how I feel about it. Your mileage may vary.

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Watching Serena South and Ashley Blue lapdance for the "deer-caught-in-the-headlights" frat boys in the new "College Invasion" feature was sssssssssssssssssss MOKIN' hot. Just the vibeyness. Honestly, anymore, it's the vibeyness that activates my voyeur's libido. A good Joey Silvera set up -- well, lately I've noticed how the very first scene in a good Joey movie will establish an erotic overlay for the whole flick. I get more turned on in the first 2-3 minutes before anything graphic happens than by a million hardcore closeups. Hell, it took me a dozen viewings to even get to the end of the scene that stars Lauren Phoenix. Same for Ashley Blue in "Service Animals 10." Heavily graphic, that one, but the set-up had me jumping like a catfish. Jules Jordan works this as well, though with a bit more overt stylization (but, as is an EA trademark, he lavishes attention on the outfits, etc.) Jake Malone does this, too. I don't know I guess I am just a tease-hound, probably, too, why I lobe BTS sex footage because it has a certain spontaneity and reality to it that many scenes do not. (And really, how damn spontaneous can you be when you're getting double-plugged day-in day-out? )

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He hesitates mid thrust for a split second and she looks up at him with this very cheeky grin, laughs and says " Let it ring..."

Why is this sexy? Well for me it's one of those "real" moments that makes me laugh along with these two, makes me empathise with them for a minute. Makes me believe they'd rather be making love to each other on camera than doing anything else.The sex after that moment seems doubly sweet.

I think that slowness and restraint can be incredibly erotic. We don't often see that in porn. Sometimes I want to be seduced other times I want to be "thrown down"...we rarely see seduction in porn.It's like being doomed to a lifetime of sex without foreplay...a lifetime of "quickies"...

One of the sexiest and most memorable film scenes I've ever seen is in Jane Campion's 1993 film, The Piano. Okay it's not porn but Campion builds scenes where the erotic tension is excruciating.

There's a spellbinding moment when Harvey Keitel puts just a single fingertip on the tiny circle of pale leg flesh showing through the a hole in Holly Hunter's thick black stocking. When he kisses her the back of her neck above the very modest collar of her dress as she plays the piano for him I just about came in the cinema. It's a film I saw eleven years ago, I still remember that moment.

Somebody, anybody make me some porn like that please...(is there a begging emoticon?)

MLyons wrote;

Good question Comstock

I don't suppose any man has ever understood any woman since the beginning of things. You don't understand our imaginations, how wild our imaginations can be. H.G.Wells from Things To Come 1936

Edited by - Loraine on 5/13/2004 8:26:39 PM
Unsuccessful attempt to fix very strange message format. Sorry, I have less than no idea what's going on...

Just worked the effin formatting thing out...

Edited by - Loraine on 5/13/2004 8:55:46 PM

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Non-porn moives do not count!!! They've got more money and more talent both infront and behind the camera (that comes from having more money.)

But most importantly, any asshole can make things sexy when you can't show anything. The $64,000 question is how do you make things sex when you can show everything? That's when the real artists are revealed.

-T.C.

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I agree with dumblonde, I too enjoy just hearing "sex" but the oh fuck, oh shit, oh god does get a little old.

"Living Life is not made up of material things"

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I remember watching "Drop Sex: Wipe the Floor!" by John Leslie and there is a scene with the skinny French girl [whose name escapes me, she just started doing movies again] and a dominant "night guard" chick played by [ditto]. As Mr. Marcus comes to call, the dominant gal asserts herself on the French babe, and the way one or the other of them [I blame the drugs for my memory loss] uses the word "Bitch," as she leans in for a kiss [maybe], was so hot and laden with dirty dominant intent that I came. There are lots of moments like that [less so now perhaps, but back in the day he was the best next to Buttman and Rocco] in Leslie's movies. "Dogwalker,'' "Fresh Meat:A Ghost Story," all very memorably EROTIC as well as pornographic. [Even if I can't recall all the names! Sad!]

Also, Mason's Sexual Disorder, BTS: Mr. Pete sticks his fingers in Maggie Star's mouth and she drools all over them. I mean REALLY DROOLS! Very hot!!! And not gyno-gyro/mega-plough/roller derby action.

Edited by - skronker on 5/13/2004 11:02:23 PM

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Say it loud and say it proud....
"I am sofa king ree tarred Ed!"

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You can read my review of it here on ADT. The first scene wasn't too bad, the middle scene sucked.

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I don't suppose any man has ever understood any woman since the beginning of things. You don't understand our imaginations, how wild our imaginations can be. H.G.Wells from Things To Come 1936

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And I won't worry about the cigar 'cos I don't smoke anyway!!

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Technical problems aside, creating a believe pretext and atmosphere that conveys this (decidedly hot) anxiety is no walk in the park either. I really like the Douglas/Close sex scene in fatale attraction – a scene created by top professionals working with virtual unlimitted resources.

-T.C.

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It is entirely unusual for someone to max out his credit cards and make a successful film. Go to Duart or Lab Link or any other lab and look at the stacks of negatives that sit, waiting for the guy with the maxxed out credit cards to scrape together the money to pay his lab bill so he can get a work print and start editing (not that that means he'll have a successful, or even watchable film.) Go to B&H and a watch a dozen young hungries walk out with a PD150 or DVX100 in the belief that they are only $3500 away from their dreams of directorial stardom.

The successful creditcard-financed film (or other low budget indie) is the rare event that get attention far out of proportion to its likelihood or potential rewards. It's great for selling prosumer cameras and movie tickets. It has nothing to do with making films.

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This is not to say that what Hardware would like to see isn't worth trying. Guy Capo tried somethings that were hard, and we don't see much of him around here these days. Hopefully it's because he's to busy reaping the rewards of a risk successfully taken. But it's worth remembering, risk-taking is inherently failure-prone, otherwise it would be called "sure-thing taking."

-T.C.

Edited by - TonyC on 5/14/2004 12:15:46 PM

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The interview segment often works for me, depending on the girl. You see her clothed, you hear her voice for the first time, you get a little buildup, that increase in heart rate that says "oh boy...I like her...and it's PORN, so that means I get to shut off my imagination and let the director's vision carry me through." Rather disappointed when you get the checklist of timed position changes, but hey, I saw a hot chick naked and beggars can't be choosers, right?

I may be smitten with a laugh, a look in her eye, any number of things that aren't scriptable -- they're spontaneous which is sort of the whole point. Sex is better in real life most of the time when there's arousal first, anticipation, rather than "pencil me in for 9PM on Friday." Which, unfortunately, is sorta the way it's working out at the cobalt house with these fucked up schedules we're on. But back to porn:

Often, tease footage works for me, too. And talking to the camera, if she's in the mood for it, and good at it. The fake shit? Well -- there's a mute button. My mind makes it sexy. She's saying whatever I want at that point.

But giving little hints of what I'm going to see and hear. Make me WANT it. SELL it. It's done all the time, it works. I liked Gauge and Aurora in the back of the car before their Trained Teens (2?) scene; the "hey, you two wanna use my phone?" pickup vignette with Jenna and Aurora in another scene that made Jules dear to my black little heart. It doesn't have to be anything elaborate.

Hey, I have bad days, too. Showing up on a set, not feeling particularly frisky, but expected to turn on the magic -- that requires acting. I don't expect that every time; it's not realistic.

So, that in mind, and here's where the weirdo factor kicks in (even when she *is* acting, this can work, too) -- there she is, stiff and unapproachable, even a little unfriendly and bitchy. Gauge has pulled this off sometimes; it churns up that grudge factor -- "oooh, you cute little brat, I hope somebody shows up and not only fucks the everlovin' hell out of you but makes you do NASTY things." And they do! Two thumbs up for, or up, or in Gauge.

Riker: Where's the Captain?
(Picard, off camera): In Gauge, number one!

Oh....that was <rough>. Next!>>

I'm not much for the style of tossing two strangers together and having them go at it ("here's who you'll be fucking today? Whaddya think? Think he'll fuck OK?") -- but for some people, I can see the zing factor of that.

For me, it's sexier when I get the feeling there's a mutual attraction. Unless, of course, there's a vignette being set up where the "stranger" factor is an important part of the fantasy.

So, in an attempt to be fair to the filmmaker and/or pornographer, I admit that I now realize these moments can be attempted, but when they're the best, they're unscripted and spontaneous. But, that concession made, atmosphere can be scripted, and costuming. What was it --- Gothic a few years back starring the gorgeous and buxom Latina Shyla Fox, the infamous John T. Bone at the helm -- we've got period wear, stone castle walls, torches, leather -- it really was pretty to watch.

But sexy? No, I'm sorry, Bzzzt. My gripes? Shyla kinda just laid around and let things be done to her, and the guys didn't have much more energy, either. It wasn't sexy because of that lack of energy. I had a few other issues, too, but damn I could see what Bone was going for and it really was a beautiful concept and technically (to my lay ass) well done.

I don't envy you people behind or in front of the camera, listening to us piss and moan about your best efforts. IF it really is effort. A lot of what I see I know I could do at home, and it be hotter just because my wife is such a fucking unbelievable roller coaster ride of carnality. But she'd never agree to it.

All I've ever really pushed for and tried to praise is effort and taking some pride in yourself and your work. Mailing it in is just, well, sad and a waste of time. This is life, and if Ass Humpers #17 is your only claim to fame, let's make it something worth putting in the time capsule or don't make it at all. Filming people fuck just because you can is like driving into a wall just because ... you can. Or something. Enough outta me.

NEXT!>>

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-T.C.

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Here's the difference for me. I don't think I'd be very interested in a porn movie that showed a little pussy as a typical monster movie shows its monster. I want my porn to wallow in pussy. A monster movie that did this would be boring. Of course porn movies are pretty boring too. Hmmm. There's a clue lurking here, giggling behind a tree. I haven't had my coffee yet.

-T.C.

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I don't suppose any man has ever understood any woman since the beginning of things. You don't understand our imaginations, how wild our imaginations can be. H.G.Wells from Things To Come 1936

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I guess it helps for Joey to have that cool house to shoot in. It always just "seems" like cute little girls are dropping by for a visit. (Cris Taliana with the soccer ball in the laundry room ... Jesus! How many times did I pop when she sez to Joey, cock in hand: "I'm your neighbor bitch." Why can't I have a neighbor bitch like Cris? Are they only in San POrnando?)

BtW, Jake, I think Annie Cruz really worked that vibe in Dirtpipe. Pinstripes are SO becoming on a girl.

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