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| Diesel Member  516 Posts 3/00 |  Posted - Oct 2 2000 : 1:41AMI know that I am probably in the minority when it comes to this subject, but damnit, I am sick and tired of those damn multiple angle symbols, icons and descriptions popping up during a good porn film! They are just like the TV station logos that can't be removed on most commercial channels (thanks a lot for starting this trend, VH-1 !!!). I realize that this rant has been made before, but I am especially peeved because I just reviewed a Private/Penthouse production called FASHION, which has these huge, black, crude and very unsightly camera icons on the top right of the screen that really distracted from the gorgeous women and equally gorgeous visuals. These damn little pictures just get in the way and make me feel like I am watching something on my computer instead of an actual porno MOVIE!!!! If I knew this DVD had such features, I would have saved myself $25.00 and not bothered. So please, to all DVD manufacturers out there...screw the multiple angles feature, or else, don't use the damn icons! We all know how to use a DVD player...we all know when our player indicates an alternate angle is present...we don't need these ugly signs distracting us when we're watching your products. Stop the madness...  [Link] |
Bill  All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Oct 2 2000 : 5:37PM Get ready for the reply that it is not possible for them to make the Multi-Angle logo an optional feature, even though it was done on Ghostbusters, Tomorrow Never Dies and The Matrix by utilizing Sub-titles (which on DVD's do NOT have to be text, but can also be graphics). The last two times this topic came up, the DVD company representatives that were participating in the thread mysteriously disappeared when this was pointed out to them.  [Link] |
| absinthe Member Finland 66 Posts 9/00 | Posted - Oct 3 2000 : 6:17AM Diesel: Do you use a standalone DVD player? What about consulting your players manual or simply browsing the players setup/menu settings. I´m sure you´ll find an easy answer there. Edited by - absinthe on 10/03/2000 [Link] |
| Diesel Member 516 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Oct 3 2000 : 7:46AM How are you able to get rid of them? If I gave you a Vivid disc, you know of a way to get rid of that blue "Vivid DVD" insignia? Or that black camera from Private/Penthouse's CALL GIRL and FASHION? If so, please let me know and I will forever be grateful... [Link] |
| absinthe Member Finland 66 Posts 9/00 | Posted - Oct 3 2000 : 9:17AM that they aren´t generated by the DVD-players own software. I stand corrected and apologize the disinformation I posted. To the subject "no more multiple angles" I still want to add that on most titles (Digital Playground, Warner and Universal for example) doesn´t have an icon as a forced feature. And this is the path I´d like all production companies to follow. -Absconder Edited by - absinthe on 10/03/2000 Edited by - absinthe on Oct 3 2000 [Link] |
| greybeard Member 181 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Oct 3 2000 : 2:12PM In the Display Setup menu on my players (Pioneer), there is a "Yes/No" option for "Angle mark." I usually keep it set at "No," because (1) I have yet to see an alternate angle that's better than the one the director and editor originally chose, and (2) because I figure I'll get an angle mark anyway on the image. _However_, if I should click the Display button on my remote while the show is running (say, to find out how long until the movie ends), that voids my Setup Menu choice and I get _both_ angle marks! I would strongly prefer alternate-angle notification as a "Subtitle" option, so as to leave the picture "icon-free" if I so choose. Chances are, though, it costs a penny or two more to produce that way, so we'll probably never see it from most, if not all, porn producers! [Link] |
| absinthe Member Finland 66 Posts 9/00 | Posted - Oct 3 2000 : 4:57PM Just an extra point of information: Depending on how your DVD player handles multiple angles, you might easily wind up with TWO "angle" icons on your screen -- one generated by your DVD player, the other actually placed on the image by the producing company. Me-> Greybeard -> Me -> Greybeard -> Me -> As I said putting an icon to the image isn´t the industry norm, so most of times you _won´t_ recognize that additional material is to be found. Greybeard -> Edited by - absinthe on Oct 3 2000 [Link] |
| greybeard Member 181 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Oct 4 2000 : 3:39PM (1) You said earlier that you haven't seen any Vivid or Private multi-angle DVDs yet. While I haven't seen any Private ones, I know for a fact that both Vivid and VCA do use "forced" multiple angle icons on the image itself. You just haven't encountered any of these yet. (2) While I agree that extra angles and material in "general" releases definitely contribute to the study and understanding of how a director and editor put together a film or piece of entertainment, I stand by my earlier comments about most of the extra angle material I've seen in adult DVDs. After majoring in Film in college and more than 12 years as a professional writer-producer-director of films and audiovisual materials, I believe I'm entitled to my opinion. I do recognize, though, that is only my opinion, and that many others find the extra material enjoyable. My main objection, though, is that these extra angles and material cost valuable "real-estate" on the surface of the disk, which can only contain a finite number of bytes of information. Other posts and threads in this forum contain some horror stories about DVD companies actually cutting some of their best works nearly in _half_ merely to gain space on the disk for these extras! I'm buying the disk for the _feature_, not the extra stuff! (3) Of course, I already knew about how to get rid of the angle mark again, but thanks for completing the thought for some others who might have encountered the same situation and not known how to get out of it. As far as "industry norms" are concerned, since this is _Adult_ DVD Talk, my experience has been that these intrusive angle marks are quite prevalent on adult DVDs, less so on the "general" titles -- otherwise, why would Diesel have even started this thread? (4) I'm in complete agreement about your last comment, but there is hope! Simply because this discussion is taking place here in ADT, it will be read by people in the adult DVD industry. That much said, we can hope that what they read here will generate some questions and interest in getting up to speed on alternate ways to approach the problem! Excellent points -- both stimulating and informative! Edited by - greybeard on Oct 4 2000 [Link] |
| Diesel Member 516 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Oct 13 2000 : 1:30PM Is my information wrong? Dear God, I hope that they leave out this ridiculous "feature." [Link] |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Oct 29 2000 : 12:36PM I totally agree that the mutiple angles watermark burned into the picture is distracting, and probably not necessary. Some studios are more discreet about the placement and size of the watermark than others, but it's not necessary, given that most home DVD players have an on-screen display icon or a light on the front panel of the player. As to why the practice occurs, I suspect that it's to prevent anyone from "missing them" and getting upset that the "feature" listed on the box doesn't exist. It's also more expensive to encode additional footage, so they want you to know that it's there. As far as I'm concerned, there's a reason why multiple angles are not used that often on DVDs (except in porn): They aren't worth watching. If the film or video editor is doing his or her job, then the best possible footage is presented on the main track. Therefore, most of the stuff you see on the other angles is either junk or not much different. And if you don't have "real" multiple angles (i.e. multiple cameras with synched footage), you're just watching other portions of the take with dubbed audio. While I'm sympathetic to why the studios have this practice, I'd just as soon have a no-frills disc than have the mood of a perfectly good (or at least decent) scene broken by a watermark. I have cable, so I can see that whenever I want... Saki [Link] |
| greybeard Member 181 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Oct 29 2000 : 12:40PM Just got around to screening NuTech's DVD release of "Easy," a late-70s classic and Jesie St. James' first film. The transfer is beautiful, and Jim Holliday's and Jill Kelly's comments are worthwhile. However, I was a bit suspicious about the "multiple angles" touted on the case. Let's face it, NuTech was lucky to find a halfway-decent transfer of a good print of a film that old. I doubted that any out-takes or "trim-bin" stuff could possibly have survived, and since the film was almost certainly shot single-camera, there would be no "second-camera" footage at all. I was right! You know what all the "second angle" shots were? Exactly the same footage as the primary angle, reversed left-to-right and slightly enlarged!! I could have gotten the same effect looking at the screen in a mirror! While I applaud NuTech for helping restore the classics, I could do without the "me-too" attempt to join the "multiple-angles" bandwagon when what's on the disc really aren't multiple angles. Better to save disc space for even better-quality mastering! [Link] |
| PornAddict Member Connecticut 43 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Oct 30 2000 : 6:59AM [Link] |
| Diesel Member 516 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Oct 31 2000 : 11:39PM C'mon all you video companies out there: VCA with their camera symbol; Vivid with their blue "Vivid DVD" insignia; Metro with their "2ND ANGLE" description; and all other DVDs that insult our intelligence and ruin the picture by using these obnoxious icons --- cut the multiple angles out now! [Link] |
| Diesel Member 516 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Nov 29 2000 : 5:23PM Unless of course, it was just a mistake. [Link] |
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