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Roland Tower
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Posted - May 28 2001 : 3:11PM
Is anyone else familiar with the above? I keep hoping for a DVD release as a "classic."

Thoughts?

greybeard
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Posted - May 28 2001 : 5:44PM
If it's Caballero, they'll probably fuck up the transfer, so maybe it's better to wait awhile!
Diesel
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Posted - May 28 2001 : 7:09PM
Greybeard is right...Caballero is bound to give us a less than exemplary transfer, with problematic chapter stops and shorn credits. I wish they would assign another studio to do their DVDs.

Diesel

Check into DIESEL'S DEN on Adult DVD Empire for DVD recommendations and a report on Debi Diamond, Tianna and the late Leslie Glass...

Edited by - Diesel on May 28 2001

ImageKat
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Posted - May 30 2001 : 3:18PM
Hey Roland
The All American Girl Series, is currently being
worked on as a Retro Release for Adam & Eve
on DVD. Expect them to be out in next couple
of months. As it stands now, there are 3 sets
of double movies in the series that will be
released.

Kat

greybeard
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Posted - May 30 2001 : 5:23PM
Kat:
Great news! At least now we can expect some care and quality in the transfers! Next question -- any edits???
 
Roland Tower
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Posted - May 30 2001 : 5:25PM
Thanks for the good news, Kat!!!
ImageKat
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Posted - Jun 5 2001 : 8:07PM
Hey Greybeard, excuse my ignorance but I am not
sure what you are asking about edits? If you
give me some specifics I will try to answer
you.
thanks,
Kat
Drew Black
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Posted - Jun 5 2001 : 8:11PM
ImageKat - I think Greybeard ius asking if there is any content or complete scenes that were in the original movie that have been cut from the DVD version.
The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 5 2001 : 9:25PM
There appears to be some misunderstanding here. The original question was about the Caballero movie All American Girls from 1982. Isn't Imagekat referring to a completely different video series with a similar title?

Edited by - The Wanderer on Jun 5 2001

Black Coffee
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Posted - Jun 6 2001 : 3:28PM
In response to the Caballero comments: I have quite a few of Caballero's classics and I know what you mean by bad transfers, problematic chapter stops, and shorn credits. They pretty much suck. However, I recently got Society Affairs from them and was very pleasantly surprised. Ther tranfer was great (considering the age), it had normal chapter stops and a time code(!), and had the complete credits. I was shocked. Was this really a Caballero DVD? I checked again and to my surprise it was!! I wonder if they are finally coming around after all the bitching they recieve from us consumers. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but not holding my breath.
greybeard
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Posted - Jun 6 2001 : 5:02PM
Kat:
Drew Black is correct. If, indeed, since the Wanderer has brought up an excellent question, the All American Girls series you refer to _is_ the one from back in the 80s, we all want to know if it will be left intact for the DVD, or if certain scenes and/or performances will be edited out or altered to fit the current political environment of "prior restraint" (meaning, "edit the risky stuff out for fear of being prosecuted, whether or not it may be legally obscene, but, then, who knows what obscene really means, so let's play it safe!"). Anyhoo, if it's _not_ the original, '80s Caballero stuff, please let us know that, too.

Black Coffee:
Hope your experience proves not to be an isolated event! Perhaps the Caballero folks have listened to our (and other purchasers') flames about their products and decided to shape up! Man, I hope so, because they have a terrific library of oldies that beg for decent DVD releases!

The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 6 2001 : 5:26PM
Black Coffee,

Is Society Affairs a recent release? If so, this could bode well for the future.

I remember someone from Five Star saying here that he contacted Caballero regarding customer criticism of their DVDs. They eventually promised to remaster the early Andrew Blake titles and this was announced in another thread. Perhaps Five Star's comments finally had the desired effect.

Now I'm tempted to order the recent release Desires Within Young Girls and at $10 it's probably worth the risk. As much as I'd like to ignore Caballero, they own the rights to so many great titles it's proving impossible to do so.

Black Coffee
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Posted - Jun 7 2001 : 2:21AM
Society Affairs was released a while ago but with different packaging. My version is in the new packaging, but I can vouch that it was released earlier on DVD by Caballero with a different cover sleeve. Unfortunately I don't know whether they changed the DVD itself also. In comparison to their other releases I would say that they did, but it is possible that this is just a fluke. If anyone has the earlier packaging, please tell how the quality is and about how the chapter stops are set up.

FYI: My front cover is light blue and says 'Harry Reems' in red. The title 'Society Affairs' is also in red and is the same size as Harry Reems' name but towards the bottom. I believe the old cover had the title written in green.

Edited by - Black Coffee on Jun 7 2001

greybeard
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Posted - Jun 7 2001 : 6:03PM
Wanderer:
Regarding Desires Within Young Girls , check the running time of the DVD carefully. The original picture had some content regarding "teenage girls," a light B&D-themed scene involving Annette Haven, and another scene with Jon Martin, Abigail Clayton and another girl where the girls were depicted as "very young." My old VHS copy runs 97 minutes, and, I believe, is missing the scene with John Seeman as a limo driver doing it on the hood with Annette Haven. IAFD gives the complete running time as 103 minutes, so beware the nefarious Edit Monster!
The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 8 2001 : 4:59PM
Black Coffee - One more question. Where did you purchase your copy of Society Affairs ? Of the two on-line stores I looked at, Five Star have a picture of the 'old' sleeve and Adult DVD Empire don't stock this title at all.

greybeard - I was unable to confirm the running time of the Desires Within Young Girls DVD so, in view of the type of content you mentioned, I will probably wait until a review appears before buying it. Alpha Blue Archives and Excalibur are both quoting the VHS running time as 97 minutes, the same as your tape.

I don't recall ever seeing the Annette Haven/chauffeur sequence. I certainly remember a still picture depicting the encounter, but I thought it was a posed publicity shot rather than an actual scene from the movie.

 
Black Coffee
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Posted - Jun 8 2001 : 6:22PM
Wanderer - I honestly don't remember where I bought my Society Affairs . X On Air has a picture of the new cover on their site. The one at Five Star is indeed the old cover, but I think it may have been there that I got mine. They just may not have updated the cover pic. But I don't know so you may want to call and ask. I'm sorry but I just can't remember.
The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 8 2001 : 7:05PM
Thanks for the info anyway. I'll ask Five Star which version they have in stock.
greybeard
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Posted - Jun 9 2001 : 12:35PM
Wanderer:
The IAFD entry for the film lists the Annette Haven/John Seeman scene as the second in the film, I believe. It occurs after Seeman has picked up Haven and Claire Dia, to "bring them home from boarding school" after their father has died (screwed to death by Georgina Spelvin -- what a way to go!).
The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 9 2001 : 8:08PM
The IAFD also list John Seeman as having played a non-sex role, which contradicts the information shown elsewhere on the same page. Must be a mistake on their part, which leads me to doubt the accuracy of some other details such as the running time.
greybeard
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Posted - Jun 10 2001 : 1:41PM
Wanderer:
The IAFD listing contradiction is probably a function of the person or people who wrote the entries, when they wrote them and which version they saw. Someone who saw the original would list Seeman with Haven in a sex scene, where someone who watched a later version (after the scene was cut), would have seen Seeman in his role as the driver, but not in any of the sex scenes, hence a non-sex listing. Getting reliable, accurate info on early porn is a real headache -- there's a lot of missing and/or inaccurate information out there -- so it's really a matter of whom you trust. The IAFD is about as good as it gets (unless you have a direct link inside the brain and memory of Jim Holliday), but their entries are only as good as the people providing them and the information they have at hand.

Edited by - greybeard on Jun 10 2001

Saki
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Posted - Jun 10 2001 : 2:00PM
My understanding is that a vast majority, if not nearly all, of the information in IAFD is from the brain of Peter Van Aarle. This is one of the reasons why the pre-1989 data is embargoed...PVA considers this to be premium data from years of research and not something he's willing to give away for free.

AdultMovieFAQ can probably explain this better, but my understanding is that another reason why there's not a number of contributors to the database (or even an open contribution mechanism like IMDb) is precisely because there is no way to easily verify the accuracy of data that's submitted. So IAFD takes primary responsibility in adding the data and then accepts corrections on a case-by-case basis.

- Saki

greybeard
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Posted - Jun 11 2001 : 8:25AM
Saki:
You'll be pleased to learn that the IAFD/VanAarle embargo has been lifted! For instance, try this link!
Saki
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Posted - Jun 11 2001 : 10:50AM
Woo Hoo! Thanks for the great news, greybeard !

- Saki

Black Coffee
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Posted - Jun 11 2001 : 11:56PM
The embargo ended about two months ago and what a blessing! Sometimes I believe there is a God!
ImageKat
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Posted - Jun 15 2001 : 3:59PM
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all.
The series is the All American Girls from Caballero,
these titles are bought, licensed etc...and Adam
and Eve have them for issue on DVD. I'm looking
at the original posters from the VHS release and
they were from Caballero. As for the editing of
the movie, I don't know yet, I have not seen the
original, or the revised Beta Masters.
Titles are Oriental Jade, Delicious, Heartthrobs
All American Girls 1 and 2 Up Up and Away, There
is supposed to be 3 titles of 2 movies each, but
again a couple of months away......
I hope we will be able to get a good transfer off
the masters, but time will tell...I just promise
we will do the best we can.

Thanks all,
Kat




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