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Zingerbrook
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Posted - Nov 15 2022 : 7:01AM
(Hope this is the right forum section and not the DVD shopping section. I don't see this answered anywhere on my forum search.)

I see early 2000s DVDs available for digital purchase, or I can look for a physical DVD copy. Question.is there typically a tremendous difference in quality between the original DVD and the digital download?

Not sure if the answer varies by distributor. I'm looking at a Metro video.

rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 15 2022 : 2:41PM
You'll probably want to have more than my answer because I have no technical knowledge, but my understanding is that DVDs were 480p. I've bought a lot of streamed/downloaded DVDs from VOD sites and my subjective opinion is that even when I watch or download the 480p version it doesn't look as good as the days with real DVDs. But there are a couple of caveats - first, back in the days of DVDs there was no HD and no 4K so it could be that perspective is off. Second. back in the days of DVDs I was watching on a smaller screen so these days watching on a bigger screen may skew things too.

I'm sure someone will weigh in with more technical information for you.

On a purely subjective note, some of the porn from my early years of collecting is stuff I want to have in my collection so if I can only get it in 480p I will. Hell, I have stuff in lower resolutions than that because I like it so much.

Dartfish
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Posted - Nov 15 2022 : 4:20PM
I'd say the digital download is almost certainly to be superior unless it's a slapdash rip from the DVD. It most cases the digital download will (or should be) be taken from the original master which could be at a higher resolution than a DVD's 480 as mentioned by rearadmiral. Depending on when it was filmed in the 00's, the original could be 720p, in which case you would see a major difference.

If you don't mind sharing, what is the film you plan to purchase? Most sales site should have a preview of the digital download where you see the specs and gauge the quality. Also note that different sales websites often have digital downloads of the same scene but in differing quality. (i.e A digital download purchased though AEBN may be of different resolution or bitrate compared to the same scene bought via Adultdvdempire.)

Big_Tits_Addict
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Posted - Nov 15 2022 : 4:25PM
Depending on the platform (AdultDVDEmpire, HotMovies and AEBN are the most notable) some early 2000s scenes might be available digitally in 720p or 1080p which is more visually pleasing than the 480p you get on DVD. If you register an account sometimes you can preview the bitrate of the scene in a sample clip.

If 480p is the max resolution for the digital version you might want to double check the overall running time of the DVD you're interested in.

Most porn DVDs are on a DVD-9 which is a dual layer disc that can hold 8.5 GB (rounded up to 9 which is where the name comes from)

Some companies choose to utilize the full 4 hours of disc space but IMO they usually don't look so good and that's assuming there are no glitches because of bad compression and no quality control checks.

To give an example a DVD made well under 2 hours can have a bitrate in the 8 mbps (8000 kbps) range. An overstuffed disc would drop to around the 3 mbps (3000 kbps) range.

Most 1080p scenes are in the 6000 kbps range with better studios in the 12000 kbps range.

Makes you miss Blu-ray disc which if made well could give us 1080p scenes in the 30000 kbps range.

If 2.5 hours or less the DVD is probably better looking. If more than that the 480p digital copy is likely better looking.

I could be wrong though. Depending on the studio they might prefer smaller file sizes (lower bitrates) for their stream/download content and don't offer a better version to other sellers.

Also if the footage source is solid a good Blu-ray player can upscale a DVD to look better than a 480p web version.

Edited by - Big_Tits_Addict on 11/15/2022 4:30:57 PM

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 15 2022 : 8:34PM
For the most part, no there isn't a quality difference. The same master appears to usually be used from that time period. Even in cases where the site has offered a 1080 download, they tend to be the 480 from the DVD.
 
snufish
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 2:53AM
It will vary from studio and VOD site. I suggest you ask the website the average bit rate, codec and frame rate before buying a download. Videos are encoded for the web not for HDTV viewing. Downloads will never look better than disc because downloads are optimized for small file sizes unlike disc which is encoded for quality.
yes, even a non video person will notice the difference, the point of downloads is convenience not quality. I don't believe customers are getting quality for their money. Some satellite channels are pushing h264 / 720p60 / 10Mbps, the last VOD I purchased was h264 / 1080p24 / 3Mbps. The VOD site didn't put the bitrate on the movie page, if they did I wouldn't have wasted my money. I will never purchase another download unless I know the bitrate / frame rate upfront.

Be well

Zingerbrook
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 7:38AM
Thanks for all the responses!

Someone asked, which DVD? There are several on my list, but one for example is Finally Legal 5 (link).

Maybe what I'll do is buy a scene download to test and look at the encoding settings (bit rate, etc). I don't know enough to judge those, but I imagine I could look up what optimal settings should be for a DVD transfer and then make the call. It would be great if the download quality meets or exceeds the original release quality.


rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 10:53AM
As a non-tech guy who also likes older porn, I found this thread to be both useful and fascinating. I appreciate all the responses and I'm going to save this thread for future reference.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 10:56AM
Bear in mind, many porn DVDs from that time didn't have optimal settings. For instance, VCX often used way too low a bit rate and I suspect Vivid's Wave discs were in the 300s for resolution.
Videofan
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 12:17PM
That's not really true, the old dvds where heavily compressed to fit the limited dvd5 or dvd9 format. If a digital download is taken from the original master and not just a rip from the dvd, it definitely could be of much higher quality, as @Dartfish already has mentioned. And these days downloads can be really large files. So, there is no general rule here.

Also it's worth mentioning that high resolution and high bitrate is in no way a guarantee for high quality, as any shitty source can be recoded with high resolution and high bitrate. But a really high quality source can be encoded with medium resolution and bitrate, and still look pretty good.

lex von v
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 3:52PM
^ Still, it varies whether an "original master" exists. If it was a cheap shot on NTSC video (480i), then there's nothing better available. Back in the day, shooting digital on DV could be a viable option, but how many of these original masters still do exist? I mean, which studios from '00 still exist and have access to their original masters? Some of the companies may exist in name only, but have switched owner dozens of times, where nobody even knows where all of the original inventory is at. For others companies which still know, it's often not financially viable... If you already have the scene up on aebn, hotmovies etc., how much (more) would you get if you offered an improved version of a 20 year old scene, which probably gets viewed a 100 times in a year?

I have found that videos from ~2000ish is still only in mediocre streaming quality, where the quality of the DVD was better.
And if you look at sites like bang.com, they even put in their watermark on all those old scenes... ugh.

Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 4:17PM
^
And what quality are the masters at this point. My early 90s shot on pro equipment masters have dropouts and some have become unviewable. I had them digitized several years back so I didn't lose them entirely.
Videofan
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 5:37PM
^^
^
Yes, basically you have to use your eyes. "Quality" is not an objective thing. I normally very much prefer the original dvds to later "cleaned up" digital versions of the scenes, which might be of higher resolution and bitrate, but often look too clean and flat.
snufish
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Posted - Nov 16 2022 : 7:22PM
the VOD site will re-encode it again to their liking no matter what the source is.
the trailer's bitrate is 1500 kb/s, 30fps.

Be well

Edited by - snufish on 11/16/2022 7:27:22 PM

Zingerbrook
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Posted - Nov 17 2022 : 10:06AM
Interesting. That is a low bit rate, based on what I've read, even for the early 2000s. But, the source (whether the master or the DVD file) may be no better.maybe.

I'd consider buying the DVD, if I can find a copy, and seeing for myself what the visual difference is, if any.

EDIT: Wow, those DVD prices. I emailed Metro video instead with the question. I can report back if customer service has a useful answer.

Edited by - zingerbrook on 11/17/2022 10:24:16 AM
 
Secret Guy
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Posted - Nov 17 2022 : 11:45AM
The quality of these movies only look perfect on old school TV's, whereas the picture ratio looks all stretched out on modern HD TV's. The only way to fix the problem is to remaster them, and studios won't bother.
Zingerbrook
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Posted - Nov 17 2022 : 2:47PM
Metro was very prompt, replied once and came back with details in less than an hour. Kudos to them.

Here's the reply:

".about the movie "Finally Legal 5." I was advised that this movie's video files were taken from and encoded from the DVD. I hope this information is helpful. Please check out movie and scene previews on the website before purchasing to ensure the movie is of the quality you want. Due to our extensive catalog, we constantly work with studios to remaster older movies, but this process is slow. If you have any questions, please reach out. I am always happy to help."

Edited by - zingerbrook on 11/17/2022 2:48:09 PM

Zingerbrook
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Posted - Nov 17 2022 : 2:50PM
Based on the 1500 kbps mentioned by snufish, I suspect this was transferred from DVD back in the day for consumers with on-average lower bandwidth than today.
lex von v
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Posted - Nov 17 2022 : 3:42PM
^ 1500kbps for 480i is okay-ish. If we're talking modern x264 or x265 codec.

DVDs were encoded with the much older MPEG2 codec, where I wouldn't go below 8000kbps for acceptable 480i quality.

snufish
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Posted - Nov 23 2022 : 11:27AM
Most of the early videos are, resolution for resolution? the DVD will look somewhat better, which is why the DVDs are so expensive, they're the highest quality for that video. Internet video is encoded differently than video for DVD or even Blu-ray. These new codecs are made with the intention of shoving the best quality into the smallest size.

Be well

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