MOD: As killbillvol69 so eloquently says, "I cannot make you pay for your porn, but I will insist that you do not discuss acquiring it illegally here on ADT."
^ You are a fan? You could have fooled me. A fan pays for his or her porn because they respect the industry and the value of those working in it - if that fan can't afford the content, they accept it or save up. A fan doesn't belittle the labour of somebody whose content they can't afford.
Yes, some OF content is crap but there are good ones out there with decent length clips and more than just someone taking a shower.
Do you point out that people agree with you because you think it gives you credibility? Please. Plenty of people agreed with Ptolemy for centuries but he was never right about the Earth being the centre of the universe.
You put money into the accounts of an individual or organization whatever goods or services you are paying for. Evidently, you see it as fundamentally different with sex workers, presumably from some superiority complex or from feeling their work is not worth it yet you get your jollies off it and call them bitches when they charge more than you expect.
When you make these pronouncements about what people like myself do on OF, you should establish the facts of how and what I purchase instead of making yourself look shamelessly ignorant through presumption and poor deduction. I subscribe for a month or two depending on how much content is available then revisit while cycling through other subscriptions with OF and conventional websites so content is not being drip fed to me. I don't subscribe at all if I feel there are too few videos. While there are individuals and studios who offer content for free at PornHub, that's not always the case. There is a paywall for some content and there is content available without paying but that is not with the studio or individual's permission. That's not the same thing as being free but why would you let that get in the way of your narrative that a sex worker's labour is worth less than they value it?
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joi Deactivated User
396 Posts 6/17
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 4:31AM
true. also if you are a true fan you will know how valuable their time and attention is...so every time i get a like or reply from my favorite pornstar i tip her $10-20 because that is what a real fan would do...and if you are not doing it you cant call yourself a fan.
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V Venom 80 Deactivated User
49 Posts 8/11
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 6:39AM
Whether u agree with me or not i can care less but to me it is a rip off , sure everyone has their favorite stars but paying crazy amounts of money just for 1 star seems like a waste of money unless you have that kinda money to spend then by all means enjoy, i'm just stating my opinion as a regular 9-5 worker not getting paid porn star money on my salary which is what they expect from u to give them.
Just giving everyone a heads up on how expensive it is for the content they supply, if u can afford it good for u not everyone can and i don't think it's worth it even if i was rich, i could probably do a lot more with my money then a custom vid.
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V Venom 80 Deactivated User
49 Posts 8/11
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 6:45AM
Just because u don't tip them or pay a lot of money for their content doesn't mean ur not a fan, it's called priority's , bills, rent, etc.
A porn star is not my priority they are entertainment but if u feel they are worth it don't let my opinion discourage u.
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joi Deactivated User
396 Posts 6/17
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 7:13AM
^ i was just kidding. this is adt home of some very devoted porn "fans" who will tell others what it means to be a fan. dont waste time arguing, just ignore them.
I experienced the same as you V for venom and would in general not recommend onlyfans at all. I still have to find one good and pay worthy onlyfans from one of the more well known female pornstars but I also haven't tried out that many yet. Maybe some good ones are hiding?
It's almost ridiculously funny to see some of the prices you'll have to pay to unlock content. Also no acknowledgement for tipping. I sense mostly rip off and very bad market analysis. Porn is entertainment so its low on most people's priorities and thus far they'll not be willing spend a lot on unknown or dubious content.
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V Venom 80 Deactivated User
49 Posts 8/11
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 11:15AM
MOD: As killbillvol69 so eloquently says, "I cannot make you pay for your porn, but I will insist that you do not discuss acquiring it illegally here on ADT."
Edited by - flash on 9/6/2019 12:11:49 PM
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V Venom 80 Deactivated User
49 Posts 8/11
Posted - Sep 6 2019 : 12:45PM
Pornhub is illegal? as i just mentioned i used to pay $20 for my DVD collection so what's ur definition of illegal?
^ Not entirely. Much of the content there is in violation of copyright law i.e. published without the copyright holder's permission. However ADT doesn't have time to vet every single link to PornHub.
Pornhub has original, licensed, and stolen content. We made an attempt to work with Pornhub for the flags for the different content and they weren't interested in providing them. As AngyPirate stated, we aren't going through link by link. In addition, the majority of their original and licensed work is behind their paywall (Pornhub Premium). So, when you advocate getting something better at Pornhub for free, you are discussing illegally acquiring it. If you feel the urge to complain more about needing to post about Pornhub, please feel free to seek out the thread where it was discussed and post there. It is a dead thread so policy won't change but trashing this thread by recommending people steal content over legally buying it doesn't fly here.
^Albeit that is a huge amount for such a short video but if it's your all time favorite doing something she has never done then maybe it's well worth paying that kind of money. No one has to pay it if they don't.
Well it's certainly not a market for the average viewer and fan of porn. I could imagine some very desperate, lonely and rich fan would pay amounts like these why the female performers know there's a market for this. For me it's just ludicrous. I know what I can get for 280 and we aren't talking mins bur hours here.
^ Why only the desperate and the lonely? There are other demographics beyond that blinkered mindset. What is the average viewer or fan? What study or survey have you conducted to coin such a term in an attempt to make you sound credible?
"Not minutes but hours" sounds like quantity over quality. I for one would rather pay for 20 or 30 minutes of something really good than hours of run of the mill dross.
^I agree. Exactly how lonely or desperate do you have to be to be willing to spend nearly 300$ for a 2 minutes video? I would say that lonely people don't join "OF" but follow their favorite models on cam sites because they can interact with them.
I would gladly pay 30$ or more for a video of my favorite doing what I love but I would never pay hundreds of dollar for the simple reason that it is well above my porn budget. I wouldn't pay a dollar for a 2 minutes video of anything my favorite could do because that is just too short.
Really disappointed with the few times I've taken the bait. I'm definitely one of the "insta buy" fans and people are talking about. If I have 400 downloaded videos they are likely 20 different scenes each of 20 of my favorite, go-to stars. Recently one of my favorites announced she was done with professional studio productions and would only have new content on her OF so I paid the $5-$10 dollars and it was mostly the type of content that's been mentioned. I even tried tipping her a little extra through DM's just to try to get a few direct messages from her but I never felt like I got a reply. Only daily DMs that felt like they were sent out via mass messaging to all subscribers with no acknowledgement of my tip. Ironically enough she's actually made personal replies to my Instagram comments and that was free.
I'm not sure I understand why people care so much about only fans and why people is paying and how much , it's their money, it's up the them to decide how to spend it or even waste it.
There are so many different markets , I buy what I like and leave the rest to those who like that kind of stuff, where's the problem?
^ Those who've denounced onlyfans and manyvids are like vegans and religious zealots. They only feel affirmed and validated in their views by making noise about it, imparting it to others and trying to convince others to join them in putting down those sites.
When they "warn" others about being "scammed", it's just a smokescreen for the lack of value they place on sex workers and their coping mechanism for parting with money for something they set unrealistic expectations on. It's like those who fat shame obese people under a pretence of concern for their health - they don't give two shits about the obese person's health, they just want a cowardly, inoffensive way to talk about that person being obese and shame them for it.
^ I'm sorry you've been hurt by a vegan. Can you show us on the doll where the vegan hurt you?
(I'm a vegan and I don't "... only feel affirmed and validated in [my] views by making noise about it, imparting it to others and trying to convince others to join [me] ...")
1. Unrealistic expectations? There are plenty of amateur performers/couples who can produce some really awesome content, often free of charge with options for paying for higher def or downloadable versions. Of course it's a free market and these girls can charge whatever they want for a picture of their finger. These girls often promote the shit out of their only fans pages and talk about DMs and the quality of their content. I don't think it's "unrealistic" to expect what's being promoted. Now if some performed was saying "join my only fans for weekly underwear photos taken with my iPhone 5 in a dirty bedroom mirror" I think it would be fair to say that quality content would be an unrealistic expectation.
2. We'll probably both get our posts edited for getting off topic, but obesity is absolutely a health issue. I don't look at the choice to regularly over-consume daily calories any differently than the choice to smoke a pack or two of cigarettes a day. And treating it as a beauty standard or vanity problem is the cowardly route for these people to act like it's out of their control (when the majority of cases have nothing to do with metabolism or endocrine issues) I can't imagine where we'd be if twenty years ago a bunch of soft and sensitive smokers started acting like some legitimately oppressed and marginalized group and came up with some ridiculous term like "lung shaming". GTFO with that shit. People in America will eat three double cheeseburgers and an hour later be talking about universal healthcare like my taxes should pay for bypass and their lack of self control.
Do you deny that there are vegans who act in a supercilious manner? Curious how you seem to take exception as you are a vegan but you're not sticking up for religious zealots.
1. Surely you can't possibly think I was being serious about the vegan hurting you. I mean I even made a joke about showing me on the doll where the vegan hurt you. Come on.
2. There are vegans who are like that. There are also sports fans who are like that. And knitters who are like that. And all manner of people in all walks of life who do as you described. But when you say "this is what vegans do" (I know you didn't use those exact words) then you leave no room for vegans who don't.
3. Why do I have to stick up for religious zealots all of a sudden? What on earth do they have to do with me?
Look I made a joke because you threw vegans under the bus while trying to make a point that had nothing to do with vegans. It was my lighthearted way of sticking up for myself (and possibly others). Even the most rudimentary reading comprehension abilities should be able to discern that.
I know this is off topic, and that I'm pretty late to this, but I had to reply.
The actual problem with most fat shaming isn't that it's "fine" to be unhealthy, it's that you can't actually tell how healthy someone is just by looking at them. It's totally possible to be generally healthy (as in, having things like your blood sugar, your cholesterol, and other internal health markers be within normal range) while being overweight. It's up to a doctor to be telling someone that they need to be losing weight based on their overall health, not you because they look like they're carrying extra pounds.
I have seen girls that offer short clips. However, on my end I created the onlyfans instead of having a paysite. I present a video each week and have a special video for an extra. I feature a variety of girls. The top busty girls in the world and some newbies in the future. My susbcription is $15.13, but I think is cheaper than any site and offers more than one girl.. I also complemented with videos. However, yes girls have the advantage that they shoot their content. On the otehr side, many girls are not very consistent in their updates.
For girls that are consistent with their updates and treat their use of these platforms like a business, the opportunity is there to build a following and create a decent long-term revenue stream. I heard recently that OnlyFans takes 20 percent of revenue. That's a pretty good revenue share. I would guess almost any girl that has even an average level of popularity in porn can probably get a couple hundred guys to sign up to pay her $10/per month. By itself, that's not much of an income, but as a secondary revenue stream it could be great.
But if a girl treats OnlyFans and Snapchat unseriously and isn't consistent in posting of content, those fans will go away.
^The first and most obvious problem I see is that I doubt most of them are consistent with updating on a regular basis because they probably don't want to. The few that do probably update with content that while fans may be happy to see. Most of them won't want to stick with it beyond a month because those fans were hoping to see stuff that they haven't seen elsewhere and the odd pic of the performer or a 2 minute masturbation video is not what those fans hoped to see.
I will repeat what I have written previously on the business model "OF" uses. Since you don't know what your money gets you than people like me will never fork over any amount of money because they know that the content is unlikely to be worth whatever amount they paid for it.
Of the onlyfans women I follow, those whose started in clipsites/camshows are much better at it than the women who started as pornperformers. I think it's because of work ethiic, viewer/fan engagement, technology skills.
^How many of those women used content from one platform in the other platform. ie: C4S stuff winding up on their "OF" page and vice versa. I know that many performers have a C4S page and Many Vids page and the content and pricing is usually the same on both platforms.
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Porn Scout Deactivated User
3735 Posts 10/02
Posted - Nov 27 2019 : 11:48PM
I agree that OnlyFans, Snap, etc probably suck in most cases because most of these girls don't have the work ethic to treat these platforms seriously. But the opportunity is there for those that want to take advantage and put a few hours per week into it.
^The thing is that "OF" current business model is designed in such a way that it more or less encourages these women to do as little as possible because the only thing you are certain of before you join is price, number of videos and number of pics. I've never been a member of any "OF" page but I suspect that once you pay you realise that most of the videos are not sexual in nature, they are very short and the pics is stuff you can probably find on the net by Googling the name of the performer.
Now that doesn't mean that some of the women don't offer some decent and maybe even amazing porn on "OF" but there are far better platform to use and these are more lucrative that "OF". You can't tell me that a non-anal performer who has one or more anal videos on Many Vids and/or C4S selling for 20$ won't make a killing because I wouldn't believe it. The fact that every single thing about "OF" is hidden is proof that it's not worth the cost.
Actually, from a monetary standpoint you'd usually rather have someone locked in on a month to month basis than just getting them to purchase a video or two. If you were really trying to get the most money for the least amount of work, the best solution would be one or two good videos a month surrounded by "filler". Just enough to keep someone locked in on a monthly basis without trying to pump out "killer content" each and every time. And yes, if you're looking to make the most money overall, you upload the content onto Onlyfans, and then also but it on C4S/MV to bring in the people who want to pay on a month to month basis. The two platforms (onlyfans and clip sites) sharing content is in no way a bad thing.
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Porn Scout Deactivated User
3735 Posts 10/02
Posted - Nov 29 2019 : 12:34AM
It's up to the girls what content they put up on onlyfans or any of these other platforms. If they don't treat it seriously, they won't be successful. But, if a girl has some level of popularity, the opportunity is there. That's all I'm saying.
^^You are correct that the best model is where the performer has a fan base that is willing to buy a month to month membership to her "OF" page but that presumes that the performer care's enough to upload content that is worth the join price and/or enough of it to make renewal a must. Now I have no facts one way or the other but I think the vast majority of them don't. They see "OF" as an opportunity to make a quick and easy dollar. If it dries up then who cares because they made some money and it didn't cost them that much.
I'd argue that more of them see it as a way to supplement their income so they aren't forced to be at the mercy of companies being willing to book them every month. Not every performer is out there thinking about how much they can rip off their fans.
^I'll go one better and say that I think everyone of them uses "OF" to supplement their other income and on the surface there is nothing wrong with them doing that because no one is forced to join their "OF" page. While I would not accuse them of being out to rip as much money as they can from their fans. Don't you find it a little hard to defend the fact that many of them don't mind promoting something that they know they haven't done a lot of work for beyond uploading a few pics and short softcore videos every once in a while but they keep promoting it on their various social media platforms.
I think like most here I've found Onlyfans to be a mixed bag. In some instances, you really can get what you pay for if the performer regularly uploads content. Angel Long is a great example: Her page is $13 per month, but she regularly uploads 5-10 minute clips and has like 1,000+ videos you can browse. But yeah there's no shortage of performers who charge a base price just to see their page, and then only offers a few photos here and there. In a perfect world, OF would allow you to see the banner over their profile which shows the number of photos & videos they've uploaded so you can decide if it's even worth the price. My attitude generally is that it's 5-15 dollars to check out their page. If it's a performer you really like, take a chance and see what they've got. If there's nothing good, just unsubscribe and you're not out any substantial amount of money.
^Don't you find it a problem that your best example of "OF" being a mix bag is a performer that started doing porn almost 20 years ago and has done it all multiple times in the past. I would think that paying 13$ for her stuff would only appeal to a very rabid fan base who has to won everything Angel does. Do you have a more recent performer for your argument?
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