I'd like to echo the sentiments of MLyons and Asmodeus and welcome Mr. Fishbein to the ADT forums. I just hope you continue to keep posting and keeping tabs on us all. Don't let a few bad apples deter you, I can assure you the entire bunch is far from rotten.
I have never lied, and I defy you to find a place where I did. You, on the other hand, assured me I would never be fired, and we know how valid that was. The truth is you count the AVN award ballots and the truth is that sometimes the results look fishy.
My assessment of the Philadelphia Magazine piece (MY, we have a long memory) was that it was superficial and lame, and that stands.
AVN stole tod-hunter.com from me by fraudulently sending an e-mail in my name telling Network Solutions to transfer ownership to Darren Roberts. I suppose this was my fault for using tod@avn.com as a contact address.
As far as not having the balls... The day I was fired you were hiding somewhere. Tim said you didn't have the heart to face me, but his credibility is suspect. I got an e-mail to call you after my mother died. You took the opportunity to threaten me with Paul Cambria if I revealed any trade secrets, and invoked a non-disclosure agreement that I never signed. We have been in the same place at least twice since then, at the Jim Holliday memorial at the Sportsmen's Lodge and the Deep Throat premiere at Laemmle's Sunset 5. You avoided me on both occasions.
You are a liar and a coward. You have surrounded yourself with sycophants, and dismiss anybody who doesn't kiss your ass as a "bottom feeder."
If you have anything to say to me, confidentially if you'd like, call me. My cell and my home are listed under my real name. My e-mail is no secret: tod@tod-hunter.NET.
If nobody enlightens us, then it is harder for us to know. This is common in all things. Doctors get irritated about being judged by non-medical people in malpractice cases - it often comes down to emotion. We all tend to judge political moves without having the full story.
So staying out just tends to accomplish nothing if you want people to understand what really happens.
Hey, he went for all of 13 minutes before putting it into the thread this time..arthur, you seem to be somewhat removed and disconnected from the facts of the mainstream, boyo.
Vivid is the closest thing to aping the mainstream media, where in the US certainly as well as many other Western countries (Australia, etc) male homosexuuality (bisexuality, whatever) is far from the accepted mainstream, while female lesbianism (bisexuality, whatever) is acceptable because of two main factors or women (on average) being less homophobis then men, and the male titillation of seeing two women together or kissing.
Remember Madonna + Britney + Christina? (or Tatu?) Yes, the public wasn't driven into a tittilated franzy over that. Not at all. uh huh.
On the other hand, imagine the hating that would have occured if that had been Juston Timberlake and Marshall Mathers playing tonsil-hockey..
or to put it another way, hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahah
..and once again you prove that you really have no idea of what you're talking about or what many black people in the USA have experienced. Not that I have any real idea either, I'm a white guy from the other side of the planet, but at least I don't try to draw retarded parallels like this one.
For everyone out there, Tod Hunter is right. This should not have been done in public. However, one fact....the awards are electronically counted, not by me. As for the rest of what he said, I will privately discuss his false allegations with him.
Aw, c'mon, Paul, drop the other shoe. What happens after they are "electronically counted"?
I know for a fact that you called me several times over the years and asked me if I was sure about a particular vote I had made in a category because it was a tie and if I wanted to change my vote to something I thought was better than my original pick I should log in and do that.
Does AMPAS do this if PriceWaterhouseCoopers adds up the Oscar® ballots and they get a tie in one category? I don't think so...
Just to add to what scipio said, all women are born bisexual and men are not. It's a scientifically proven fact, just look at the two sexes even when they're young having the sleepovers. Almost all women are willing to share a bed where the guys will happily let one have the bed while the other takes somewhere like the bathtub, even if they hadn't been drinking and it's half full of cold water with a plugged drain!
"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling
To say that women are born bisexual but that men aren't is pure poppycock. Such self-serving nonsense has another purpose in that it perpetuates the stereotypes put out by the straight porn industry. I have as much time for it as I have for a zit.
And movies and TV. Or we are kind of having fun with a worn out topic.
astro is right though - men will go to great lengths to avoid the appearance or implication of bisexuality or homosexuality. Another thing is - when was the last time you heard a guy notice/compliment how another guy looks? Women do this all the time.
I also think it might be better to stick to the movie review/objectivity issue I mentioned in my original post. The reason I brought up the male-bisexuality-in-straight- porn issue is the reference to mainstream acceptance of porn in the Forbes article. My view is that acceptance won't occur if the straight side of the industry persists with the bisexual double standard.
And, just one more thing, if a straight guy says that he is disturbed by the sight of two men showing affection, keep in mind that it's often a cryptic statement. What he might mean to say is that he is disturbed by the fact that he might be aroused at the sight of the two men showing affection.
If somehow, someone were able to force male bisexual scenes to appear in "straight" movies to the same extent that female bisexual scenes currently appear, the religous right would have no problem shutting down the porn industry. It would become so unprofitable that it would shut itself down.
If enough people wanted to see male bisexual scenes in movies, the studios would make movies with those scenes.
The majority of posters have disagreed. Acceptance has occured, it is just quiet. Liberals have porn hidden away. So do conservatives. If guys didn't feel that they need to hide it from their wifes/girlfriends/children more would have it. That limits purchases/rentals more than anything else. Strip clubs are accepted too, though the ones with women don't have stripping men. Shouldn't this be part of your bi-agenda too? In both cases guys don't admit it in public because they don't feel like being labeled pervs. That is a unique thing about porn. Kind of like weed - a lot of people have tried it, not so many admit to it.
My experience is that conversations will wander. Sometimes interesting things come of it.
MOst straight porn is, for me, gay. I'm sorry, but when most scenes consist of five or more dudes jerking off and having their butt's tongue-bathed, and I as a male straight viewer am watching this, and jerking off, even though my focus is on the girl, there is something very fucking gay about that! Or bi. Maybe it's only bi. Maybe I don't have to have an identity crisis right now. Wait, yes! Those guys, they are my surrogates! Yep, that's it. Ahhh, I feel better now. My heterosexuality is secure! Whew!
All women are lesbians. Why is this a debate? Well, if they are not lesbian, then they will turn into lesbians after decades of relationships with men!
Arthur... I think you'll find that most people in the porn industry and the regulars here on ADT could care less whether a guy is bisexual or gay.
The bottom line... indeed the only line... that matters as far as the production of porn is concerned, is do guys want to whack-off to male bi-sexual porn? The answer is obviously NO.
As far as porn is concerned, bi-sexuality is nothing more than a preference of what people want to whack-off to (just like anal, DPs, interracial, scat... you name it).
The greatest porn stud of all-time, Peter North, had a bi-sexual past and no one really cares. Watching Peter unload adds to my enjoyment of every scene he's in... it's even a bit of a turn-on :) But, I have ZERO interest in watching Peter in bi-sexual scenes with other men... and less than ZERO interest in whacking-off to it!
Can't you be happy with GAY porn that caters to what you want? Why don't you lobby the gay studios to add women to their product? You could call that bi-sexual, couldn't you?
People want to whack-off to whatever gives them a stiffie. As Steve Holmes pointed out, if there was a market for it the studios would (and will) produce it.
My word.. arthur's posting the same thing all overt the KSEX forums too.. thanks Constance.. I think
Seriously arthur, if bisexual porn was as popular a niche as you seem to think, it'd be selling like hot cakes, and RLD and EA would both have a series dedicated to them. Both studios have at least one dedicated Shemale lines, with guys getting screwed by the Shemales, so there you go.
Just as seriously, you could save yourself a lot of time and effort by just typing your agenda up once in notepad, then you could make up one of those "fill-in-the-blanks" form letters like the ones that MAD Magazine used to do. ..unless that's what you've already done?
scipio
oh, btw arthur...
if you're really just a troll, you've done a fabulous job. kudos.
Edited by - scipio on 3/18/2005 8:17:00 AM
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 9:57AM
I don't care what one's personal sexual preferences are but what I'm complaining about is the philosophy of the straight porn industry: thou shalt not show male-male interactions. Jerry Falwell could have written this commandment for you.
Nor do I, arthur. I think you'll find that almost all of the posters in your multiple threads on the same topic care much either.
But you'll find that what sells is what gets made. Whether you personally like it, find it hypocrytical, or not, or whatever. That was exactly my point on the explosion of Shemale titles. They sell well right now, so they get made. It's a business.
These days especially, what sells is what gets made, seen the titles of RLD's catalogue, there's a lot of different specific acts being catered to there, including guys being fucked by chicks with dicks. Regardless of your wacky ideas about the "intellectual mainstream."
it's a niche that appeals to a statistical minority that's not worth much to go after and probably harm the overall numbers by a considerable number of straight-not-curious customers finding it repellant and avoiding the product.
funny you should mention falwell, he's a pussycat compared to this full-blown jihad for your personal tastes to be represented in everyone's movies. hey, it's a good time to be bisexual-porn exists that caters to you and you don't have to go back too far to assume anyone publically demanding an increase in sodomy would recieve bad attention like a lobotomy, killed with unsophisticated tools by torch-weilding villagers or worse.
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 5:52PM
Jamesboston,
Straight porn is already bisexual porn - it's got bisexual women in it. Has that fact conveniently escaped your mind? As for genres, I find the idea of genres for sexual orientation a form of segregation. The bi genre is a construct designed to corral male bisexuals into their segregated corners.
Like Communism, the exclusion of male bisexuals from the sexual mainstream has become a self-defeating philosophy. It exposes the hypocrisies and double standards of the straight porn industry. It won't be accepted by the public at large.
Interesting to see art(hur) continuing to beat this drum. The answer to the question has been posted again and again, on this forum, another major one, and I'm sure on every other forum you've taken your crusade to. Asking the same question again and again isn't going to get you a different answer any time soon.
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arthur Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 18 2005 : 8:31PM
No, but I think it's important to point out the inconsistencies of the straight porn industry. I wouldn't be doing it if some of the posters weren't recycling the same inane excuses time and again. Logic defeats the straight porn industry on this.
Your inability to comprehend the logic that says that, companies distribute products that they can sell the most of, does not constitute the defeat of the straight porn industry.
It just means that you and logic are not on speaking terms.
Wierd logic. Straight porn already has female bi-sexuality shown, so male bi-sexuality must be shown to balance it. Somehow the lack of it is the result of some vast conspiracy. Well yes it is - capitalism. If it doesn't add sales it is a wasted expense. If the customer base starts to leave, it is a drain. Porn has no social agenda. It is about money. As Constance Le pointed out, porn is more and more about niches. Double Anal titles, oral only, no swallowing, swallowing, double penetration, no anal, etc.
Show me where the profit is in bi-sexual titles. There is no history of success there.
Arthur, face it, you are in the minority. There is no conspiracy. There is no double standard. Porn is what sells. You want more bi-sexual porn, speak with your wallet. Purchase what is available. Talk to others that share your views to purchase what is available. Write to companies that do produce bi-sexual porn and let them know that you are happy that they do. Ask them if they plan to up the volume of release in the future. Turning every topic you join into here as a crusade to have all porn films include male/male interaction will not help you in your quest.
Really what arthur needs to do is form his own company and shoot content that he thinks will sell. That way he can correct this perceived inconsistency in the porn industry. Or to put it another way put your money where your mouth is and if your right you will corner the market in this niche and make millions.
Hmmmm. From what I've seen here, I'm not sure the two of them have ever been introduced, let alone spoken to each other. Arthur, by chance would you do research for the government?????
"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling
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Posted - Mar 19 2005 : 1:22PM
"... if some of the posters weren't recycling the same inane excuses time and again ..."
So if the posters don't agree and say something different, that is inane? Hmmm.
What I'm partly doing is challenging the straight porn industry's manifesto. The one that says "thou shalt not depict male-male interactions". Tough luck if you find that upsetting.