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| bigirlvictoria Member London 6 Posts 5/03 |  Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 5:08PMIt's struck me over a period of watching porn for 20 + years that there is one person who has stood out amongst all the dross that goes for 'adult entertainment' and who has that rare ability of making consistently high quality adult films, that both get your rocks off but also stand up as fine motion pictures. Paul Thomas to me seems a maligned figure. Over a period of 15 years + he has directed something like 200 films and amongst them have been the greatest adult flicks that have been made: Justine: Nothing To Hide 2 (1992), Masseuese 2 (1994)Beautifull (1997), Bad Wives (1997), Bobbysox (1990), Awakening (1999), Fade To Black (2001), Heartbreaker (2002) & Heaven's Revenge (2002). His standard of quality over a prolonged period is amazing to my eyes - the horniest moments in porno for me have been in a PT film: when Tianna gets a vib up her asshole in Justine, when Ashlyn Gere gives Randy West the ride of his life in Masseuese 2, the incredible anal probing that Rebecca Bardux got in Heartbreakers, and the nasty, nasty BJ from Sky in Heaven's Revenge. And unlike so many 'film-makers' in adult today, PT knows how to make a film narrative and keep a story line going and not be obbessed with anal gapes etc. I can't think of another adult film maker who can match his output. For a while in the late 1980's/early 1990's, John Leslie was his match when he made such films as 'Oh What A Night! (1990), Bad (1990), and a series of supreme Selena Steele comedies, but like John Stagalino, his films have grown darker and darker, and have leaned too much too sheer gonzo now. Any aspiring film-maker in porno can learn huge amounts from Thomas who could easily make it in mainstream if he so wished. Is there a better porno director around? I doubt it! Victoria [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 5:25PM [Link] |
| AlexPanzer Deactivated User 1593 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 5:39PM [Link] |
| vodka tonic coolest cucumber who 1243 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 6:06PM
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 6:20PM [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 6:29PM The films by him that I have enjoyed the most have been Bonnie & Clyde, Fade to Black, House of Sleeping Beauties 2 and Mobster's Wife. I also liked his work back in the day that he was an actor in adult films before he turned to being a director. I haven't seen any films by John Leslie only ones he acted in so I can't comment on him. [Link] |
| SyberScott Senior Member 1462 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 6:34PM [Link] |
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| Diesel Member 516 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 7:12PM There is more artistic achievement in BAD WIVES and MARISSA than in the umpteenth edition of UP YOUR ASS. When dealing with the question of excellence in adult film making, it's hard to deny Mr. Thomas his credit. Unfortunately, even the best dramatic porn work is laughable when compared to the mainstream, but that is a whole other topic... Diesel [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| GoldHat Member 124 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| stefank60 Member Gold Trader on ADT 383 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 7:37PM if I want a story, plot development, characterisation I will get a mainstream film. If I get a porn flick I want wall to wall porn :-) !! Stef [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 8:04PM I haven't seen all of the titles noted in the preceding posts, but believe me, I suffered through plenty of this dreadful hack's work in the 90's. The hallmarks of PT's body of work are: 1. Sex scenes completely lacking in heat. I'm not complaining about a lack of the currently-popular circus acts, or the usage of condoms. I am talking about scenes in which the performers barely manage to convey that they are awake, let alone an illusion that they are deriving any enjoyment from what their various body parts are engaged in. 2. Horrible -- horrible -- video quality. (Compare a Vivid tape, with its washed-out, unfocused, weird color- balanced appearance, to any contemporaneous tape in which John Leslie, Jack Remy, Alex DeRenzy, Buttman, etc. etc., had a hand -- night and day difference. It wasn't that it wasn't possible for PT to put out a technically proficient product; he simply didn't know how, or didn't want to bother and/or pay to bring in someone who did.) 3. Stupid, often melodramatic plots, which tended to cancel out whatever negligible eroticism that the sex scenes generated. To me, his body of work reflects a disdain for pornography, and a pretense that he is an actual filmmaker, in the vein of some of the Golden Age directors he worked for when he was just a meatpuppet. When I think about how many performers wasted their careers predominately or exclusively making dreck with this guy (Tori Welles, Jamie Summers, Christy Canyon (the second or third time around), Nikki Dial; the list goes on), it just makes me cringe. Edited by - Harri Patel on 8/24/2003 9:31:26 PM [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 9:11PM "P.T. told me the viewer preferred teasing and a lot of 'T and A' over the hard-core stuff. I couldn't disagree with him more, but who was I to argue with the man". I don't know who "the viewer" is, but he sure as hell isn't me. [Link] |
| blake_fan Member Under the spell of my muse. 175 Posts 1/01 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 9:45PM But I still don't like PT movies. The plots suck, they are shot on video, and they are low in production values. _______________________________ "The greatest argument for the existence of God, [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 9:52PM [Link] |
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| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 11:21PM [Link] |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 11:55PM I think it's arguable that PT is one of the best directors in the "couples" genre. Frankly, I can't really think of another that doesn't carry an equal amount of baggage with him. Edited by - saki on 8/24/2003 11:56:19 PM [Link] |
| bigirlvictoria Member London 6 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 5:03AM stefank60 wrote: A good story !! That tells me without ever having seen a film of his that I am not interested. if I want a story, plot development, characterisation I will get a mainstream film. If I get a porn flick I want wall to wall porn :-) !! Stef
Should we not be trying to broaden out porn, so you can have a decent story, plot etc combined with outstanding, mindblowing sex? Otherwise is not porn for either doomed to the raincoater brigade? Victoria [Link] |
| bigirlvictoria Member London 6 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 5:09AM <Uh, watch me . . . I haven't seen all of the titles noted in the preceding posts, but believe me, I suffered through plenty of this dreadful hack's work in the 90's. The hallmarks of PT's body of work are: 1. Sex scenes completely lacking in heat. I'm not complaining about a lack of the currently-popular circus acts, or the usage of condoms. I am talking about scenes in which the performers barely manage to convey that they are awake, let alone an illusion that they are deriving any enjoyment from what their various body parts are engaged in. 2. Horrible -- horrible -- video quality. (Compare a Vivid tape, with its washed-out, unfocused, weird color- balanced appearance, to any contemporaneous tape in which John Leslie, Jack Remy, Alex DeRenzy, Buttman, etc. etc., had a hand -- night and day difference. It wasn't that it wasn't possible for PT to put out a technically proficient product; he simply didn't know how, or didn't want to bother and/or pay to bring in someone who did.) > Harri, You should try and catch 'Heartbreaker' or 'Heaven's Revenge'. I doubt if you will come across a set of performers who are are more sexually charged then those in PT's films. Witness Rebecca Bardoux and Mike Horner - she is an ANIMAL! See Sky get Randy Spears off, and Spears fucking the ass off Dascha. Amazing, amazing heat!!! And certainly the production quality of a PT flick is now vastly superior to anything that Buttman (what a waste of a talented filmmaker incidentally)or Leslie can offer. Good, crisp photography, nothing too weird or showy - just great porno filmmaking Victoria [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 5:13AM I needed a good joke this morning. [Link] |
| Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 6:47AM To me PT represents 80s porn. Too soft. An absolute zero on the nasty scale. CC [Link] |
| snowman872 RainCoatReviews.com 400 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 7:31AM I think Paul Thomas is very, very good at what he does. I also think there is a fair amount of sexual heat in his movies and at times it even gets a little nasty. The target audience is couples and cable, not harsh raincoaters. As far as quality goes, the production looks very sleek to me. -- Snowman [Link] |
| vodka tonic coolest cucumber who 1243 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 7:52AM Love...exciting and new [Link] |
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| aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 12:01PM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 12:41PM [Link] |
| stefank60 Member Gold Trader on ADT 383 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 12:49PM Stef Edited by - stefank60 on 8/25/2003 12:51:50 PM [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 1:07PM edit to add... yes, you guys are right the initial post does not lend itself to productive conversation. however the 'too soft' broken record gets old. Edited by - steph on 8/25/2003 1:10:05 PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 1:07PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 1:13PM Edited by - Ramsey on 8/25/2003 1:16:13 PM [Link] |
| bigirlvictoria Member London 6 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 2:06PM But the thread starter asked everyone here if PT is the greatest adult film maker ever that means we raincoaters also have the right to give our opinion about this subject especially after the same poster is writing that PT is a better director than John Stagliano and John Leslie!
I don't think there is even any question about whether PT is a better director than Stagliano and Leslie. Thomas is - with the exception of say Ninn & Hart - in my mind the only adult filmmaker who could cut out the hardcore sex in his film and it would still stand up alongside a lot of the stuff out on cable or released as 'B' movies. He is a FILMMAKER whilst so many in porno (as a sometime x rated performer in the UK I have some experience of directors!) simply put a camera in the direction of a couple and just film. I am hot on PT because unlike say John Leslie or Buttman himself, he has attempted to SAY something in his films - he has addressed subjects like drink abuse, failed relationships and marriages, the addiction that both users and performers have in porno. What other fuck director would even attempt any of these subjects. Finally, as a babe myself, I can always rely on PT to satisfy both my libido and mind! Victoria [Link] |
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 2:31PM |
| BigFerret creampie scientist Searching for blonde and red bush 1985 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 2:41PM [Link] |
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| Pornmaster Mike Senior Member 32DDD 1462 Posts 8/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 3:35PM - Pornmaster Mike, hoping for a Dani Woodward/Penny Flame sandwich! [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 4:37PM In all seriousness, I'm not sure that Victoria is being quite fair to John Leslie and John Stagliano (He makes the Buttman series, but as Face Dance, Wild Goose Chase, Fashionistas, Buda, etc. show, he is much more than just the Buttman series.) In sheer terms of technical aspects, when making features, I would have to lean towards my husband, followed by John Leslie, followed by PT. I also think that most people would be surprised at how much Leslie and Stagliano think about serious issues. They have each come up with numerous ideas that would integrate VERY serious issues into porn movies, but they have each talked themselves out of it, because they realize they are making porn movies, not R-rated mainstream movies. I simply wish that PT put more effort into his sex scenes, then I believe I would enjoy his movies a lot more. BTW - my favorite PT movie? Borderline, staring Celeste. [Link] |
| rjk13 Member peace, love and revolution 321 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 5:23PM One thing unusual in his movies is the quality of the performances. As a former actor himself in the golden age, when they sometimes had to give mainstream type performances, he has gotten some memorable moments out of Celeste, Hyapatia Lee, Nikki Tyler, Raylene and many others. That is if you find personality intriguing and erotic. If you're just interested in fuck holes getting fucked hard, you've got RLD and their windup sex robots. Unfortunately, PT is also associated with an awful lot of Vivid crap. He's listed, for instance, as the director of Hansel and Gretel, a movie as excrutiatingly bad as story porn can get. BTW, my main local porn rental emporium rarely stocks new story based porn anymore. I wonder if that is a trend elsewhere as well. [Link] |
| vodka tonic coolest cucumber who 1243 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 6:04PM Love...exciting and new [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 9:31PM "P.T. never wasted much footage on one of my sex scenes since I bored him silly. The new Vivid girls had to endure hours in a sex scene if P.T. fancied them. Mine were shot and in the can within a thirty minute time frame." I can't imagine a director that I think is good having that same attitude when shooting a sex scene. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 9:35PM [Link] |
| blake_fan Member Under the spell of my muse. 175 Posts 1/01 | Posted - Aug 26 2003 : 12:10PM I still couldn't stomach the plot. What is PT's affection for infidelity? _______________________________ "The greatest argument for the existence of God, [Link] |
| dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Mar 26 2010 : 3:21AM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Mar 26 2010 : 4:02AM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Mar 26 2010 : 4:03AM [Link] |
| danl Member 436 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Mar 26 2010 : 10:24PM Thus, PT rarely develops realistic characters or plots anymore (something, I continue to demand from porn features) and is much more interested in cinematograhy instead of substance (that Eye Candy syndrone) and the downfall of so many adult film directors, again, imho! Now, if you want MY opinion, the greatest adult film director EVER was Russ Meyer, and despite being restricted to soft core only in his day, made such powerful both mind and penis-grabbing films, that the viewer's imagination could "fill in the gaps"--As for the BEST adult film director TODAY, sing "Oh Canada" for Brad Armstrong, with Michael Raven not far behind---and NO this isn't a Wicked commercial but simple facts, and, of course MY opinion. And since there's an "outside" chance some "mover and shaker" at Wicked might see this---GET Shyla Stylz, Tory Lane or Rachel Roxxx under contract, or "steal" Savanna Samson, so that she can end her career making REAL porn features!! [Link] |
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