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| daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05 | Hi, does anyone know what's been happening at Penny's website? I haven't been able to get to it in over a week. I'm not a paying member, but I usually read her blog, which was on the free side of her site, and it was always entertaining to read. Any help would be appreciated! No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | |
| daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05 | |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 | Katarina Kat is the latest porn star to make claims that her site will be "different" and "special" and maybe it will be, but so far I've heard it many times before and they always fall way short. I never expected that from Penny, because she clearly has the mind and the personality to make something special and unique and not just a bland corporate site. I just don't think she's making much of an effort and don't expect the 24 hour live cams anytime soon or ever. Put it this way, you and I are 2 of Penny's biggest fans here and I assure you we'd BOTH agree the site was disappointing based on what was promised or even what you might expect AND you and I could meet at a Denny's and in 10 minutes put together a list of things she could do, at little additional cost if any, to make her site MUCH improved. So, I'm very disappointed so far. It's also not a very good site to attract people to pay their money. There is no real tour and nothing really that stands out to make people (who aren't already BIG fans) want to join. Penny's strongest appeal aside from her looks and sex is her wild and funny personality and she displays NONE of it to those who would simply visit her site to check it out. It's very disappointing, because I couldn't blame a fan, who wanted to check the site out, for deciding against it based on the very poor design to attract people to sign up. |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
I stand by everything that I said and I'd rather not have to because I'd rather be heaping praise. My fear as a fan is that by just saying that you think it looks good won't allow less biased opinions from possibly helping motivate Penny to improve the site. At the end of the day, she writes this on the site in her own words and it's not a secret anyway, it's about making money-like everything else. The way the site is right now, I think is losing Penny money she could be making. That's certainly her right to do. I don't make any money from Penny. She doesn't send me a cut or pay my mortgage. So, you might think it's harsh to criticize you friend's site, but if by doing so changes are made, more people sign up, and Penny makes more money, I think that's better for Penny. Compared to other stuff that's out there, I couldn't recommend the site to anyone but a hardcore fan. I'd like to see it get better and have lots of casual Penny fans sign up and get hooked like I did. That's just my honest and humble opinion. Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/7/2007 11:14:20 PM |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | BTW Thnx for requesting me for the interactive sex title. |
| ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05 | You bashing her site like this on a public forum might just discourage her from doing anything on the site, anymore. That, I am sure you would not want....so Just be a little patient man and you might be pleasantly surprised. |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
And you probably know the porn market more than most, because you live it. People, by and large, aren't going to spend their money, not when gas is over $3 a gallon, etc, just because you say she always keeps her word. There are a lot of choices out there, so promises are going to get a lot less than actual content. I mean, MOST Penny fans know that no one markets Penny as well as Penny. You slap Taryn Thomas on the cover of that interactive title that I know you're gonna get and you have a level of STAR power that will sell those puppies. I'm a bigger fan of hers than I am of yours. Certainly, that can't make you mad, because she's my favorite and you can only have 1 of those. But Penny's goofy and funny behavior and Penny being Penny is what gets people hooked on Ms. Flame. With limited dollars people are perfectly willing to save their money for the Taryn Thomas interactive tite, that, again, I know you're gonna get, or the next bunch of Annette Schwarz stuff or Sasha Grey, Bree Olson, Natasha Nice or Katarina Kat. Penny doesn't even have a teaser introduction video that has, say, a 5-10 minute clip of Penny talking to the camera and being her goofy self. That would be a nice thing for guests to see and know there is more of the same inside. Then the sex teaser clip is very bland, no sound, overly arty, and that's gonna lose a lot of the casual fans. The "extra" page really has nothing interesting at all other than a single, dressed pic of Penny. Well, there is already a sample page of pics. Certainly, the "extra" section could be more imaginative. The schedule page is really nothing more than a pic of Penny on the Wednesday block to suggest that's what is coming. People will expect more. Like what she's shooting on a given day, what movie she is watching on Friday night with her best friend visiting from Phoenix, Taryn Thomas. Consumers see that page and it's pretty much empty. And other than her bio, that's really it. I was just browsing and I found ex-star Gauge's site and it has this cool interactive opening, you hear her speak, there is a short interview with her for visitors. Now, Gauge isn't in the biz and I'd rather spend my name on Penny, but if you took two random men and showed them both sites through the free areas and asked them which one they'd want to pay money for every month, I think they'd choose Gauge at least 8 times out of 10. And the site might be totally average inside. But it grabs you and I think Penny is losing people and money because her site really doesn't grab you at all. In fact, it makes you question if there is anything really good inside. You want people to like what they see so much, that they sign up with their second heads before they have time to think about how better to spend their money. I've written a book here, of which most other posters won't care about, but I'd only do that for Penny because I want her to make loads of money and have the best site. I think nowadays you need to stand out from the rest. I know Penny does, but you'd never know it from browsing her site. |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
First, you should know the facts. Penny's site was LONG delayed because of the very reason she said, which was NOT opening up without a ton of content. Second, my biggest complaint has been with the way she markets the site. Not the overall content, which still is only average, but not really the point. If people go to a site and then leave it without signing up, this is not a good thing. There needs to be a sizzle when you look at the site that makes you want to or almost feel a need to whip out your credit card. THAT is what I've mostly been discussing. I think and hope that something is done to improve the site, so that less people will show up only to read Penny's blog. And another thing you got wrong, whomever reads this thread, whether they like my opinion or like Penny, both, 1 out of 2 or neither, I think curiosity would likely make more people go to www.clubpenny.com just to see what all this fuss is about and not the opposite, which you implied and not want to go there. Porn is no different than anything else, if you're getting talked about it's ALWAYS a good thing. And I never bashed her, I think I write rather well and fair, so where your mind sees bashing, I don't exactly what in the world you're even reading. I always try to heap praise on Penny, even to a fault and I've been criticized for that as well. Being honest in an adult forum shouldn't be considered bashing. Especially, to all those who have fun talking about Hillary Scott's personal life or Sasha Grey's personal life or who enjoy ripping whomever you don't like. I've never done that and somehow I'm bashing Penny or I'm less than fair or articulate. Please. |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
This is what makes this place nasty. You give your honest opinion and, unless you're a star (and even some of them take a beating here and elsewhere), a mod, or someone big in the industry, you are either one of two things, an ass who's bashing someone or a fanboy. I'm already been labeled a fanboy of Penny's, now a basher, and if this thread lasts much longer, it will be fanboy again. There is nothing to chill out about. I shared my feelings, I actually wrote more than 2 sentences (Wow!) about a subject, and I haven't said anything about how I'd love to see Penny getting peed on, fucked by two black guys IN THE ASS, and yet I'm criticized left and right for sharing my feelings about Penny Flame's website, which is, by the way, the name of thread. I can't wait until the next person tells me to relax or chill out. I think it's the other way around. It would be nice to see more discusssion that doesn't involve bashing a person, but simply talking about a subject politely and honestly without making it personal. Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/8/2007 12:05:25 AM |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | |
| ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05 | |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
That post is called SARCASM. Penny is a VERY sarcastic individual, herself. There was nothing serious about that post and she knows that VERY well. She's written me personal stuff about her life and I would never post it. You, however, have no class and took that comment completely out of context. Since you think I need a restraining order, maybe you need a minimum IQ to post here. Also notice, the part of the post that take a dig a Casey Parker. That was part of the JOKE and it was included to make sure that Penny got the joke, just as my earlier comment to Penny included a dig at Shane's World. Anyone paying attention to Penny would know that she had much problemos with SW and Casey recently. In threads about that, I have always taken Penny's side. Again, "dumping me faster than Casey Parker changes personalites" is part of a sarcastic joke. I have communicated with Penny directly and I've never even asked her if we could meet. I've never asked her for info on where she's dancing, or if she will ever be dancing, or for a friggin' autograph. That's hardly stalker material, but when you can't read a post and notice that it's sarcastic and you take that post and put it here out of context, then you're not attempting to debate whether I've made good points about her website, you're just doing that mud-slinging thing people do when they don't have anything intelligent to add to a thread. Hell, Katarina Kat jokes around on this board about meeting fans and you took my one clearly sarcastic, bashing Casey Parker post, to make me look like a stalker? Truly, your mind must be mush. Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/8/2007 12:23:51 AM |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
Have you ever heard of contructive criticism. I wouldn't have written so much about the content and tried to explain what might work better if I was bashing her. I would have done what the typical bashers here would do and just write 2 sentences, maybe 3, and say it sucked, blew, was crap, etc, etc. THAT would be an example of bashing. You won't find any bashing of her site here unless you don't know what the word means. |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 | |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | |
| ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05 | |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | |
| ArinsystmaticX Deactivated User 1968 Posts 12/05 | |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 |
Dude this thread just needs to slowww downnnn... No need for so much hateraid in here... Penny is like so mellow let's keep it that way for her. Thnx I'm out... |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
Your only intentions, like several others, is merely to continue trying to antagonize people long after its been clearly demonstrated that there is no need for that. Taryn may never tell you that, she may never send you a video response to that, but I bet the fact that she didn't respond meanly to me to your last unneeded and unwelcome dig by trying to make further trouble playing around with the sarcastic and completely not serious comment that was taken out of context, says all that needs to be said. If you want the last word, be my guest, but if you can't see there was no bashing (I sincerely doubt Taryn thought I was bashing her friend) and if you can't see that post were clearly made to be comedic, like Penny is herself, than you deserver the platform to continue displaying your ignorance. Again, in just one innocent thread, I've been called two extremely different things, a basher. A mean, nasty, son of bitch who is ripping into a star for no good reason, possibly even using insults. And a stalker. A person who loves the star so much he can't say anything bad about her, he's a fanboy, a stalker, he's delusional and thinks he has a personal relationship with her and he need to be watched. Two extremely different viewpoints brought to you by the fine people on the forum who will always choose to use hyperbole or insults over a real discussion about the issues at hand. When you resort to only calling names, it's because that's all that you can do. Give me all you got. The floor is yours and I won't continue the debate. If psycho alert is on your playlist, you obviously can't articulate yourself any better than that anyway. Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/8/2007 12:51:24 AM Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/8/2007 12:54:35 AM |
| KatarinaKat Member 250 Posts 11/06 |
Had to add my cheap two cents, since I saw that I was mentioned a few times in this thread... XOXO Katarina Kat |
| Dr. McDreamy Member Flame on! 145 Posts 10/06 |
You could have easily used your star power here to twist my comment into something like I was saying that you were lying or going to disappoint with your site. But I didn't say that or imply it. I was simply using you as an example, because for a long time Penny's site (and if you go there now, there are references to it still) really made it seem like it was going to bring you into Penny's life, be extremely interactive, etc. So far, it's really just ok, but again, if anyone cares 95% of my comments were about the way she SELLS her site and NOT THE SITE'S MEMBER CONTENT, ITSELF. I would bet that right now or while it's being planned, one of the biggest issues Katarina will have to go over is how to have the biggest impact on people who come over to just look (marketing 101). She's going to want to get those people to sign up and you need something pretty good with so much to choose from out there. No point in funding a great site and have terrific content and then having a site that when guests comes is boring and seems uninteresting. I think Penny is the MOST interesting and funny and entertaining porn star in the history of porn and I am not nor have I ever pretended to have any personal insight into her REAL life. I'm not her friend and I've never implied anything close to that. I just think she's really cool and the casual fan who doesn't know that wouldn't get much of idea from it from visiting her site and I think that's unfortunate. That's all my point really ever was and I've re-read the thread again. If you go to visit the site, it doesn't have the sizzle to make the average fan decide to go inside and I wanted to discuss that, so maybe it would get back to her and it would get better and she'd do better. THAT'S A GOOD THING. Penny has even asked for suggestions, herself. But as far as it being the next best thing, I really expected more, and felt disappointed. I think a fan has a right to say that without being called a basher. Just as Katarina is getting myself and many of her fans excited by really drumming up interest in her site as being different and special. But just because someone says something, that doesn't mean it will happen. That's not special wisdom from me, that's common sense. Like everyone else, you need to wait and see what happens when the site opens up. And it could be widely hailed and hugely popular or maybe not. I really don't post here much, but I have made several positive comments about Katarina and I hope she's successful and I hope it's everything she says it is. But if consumers just went out and bought things because a porn star promised it wouldn't disappoint, that would be kind of silly. That's why movies and practically everything else gets reviewed and talked about in threads, so other people can make informed decisions. I know, a porn thread is the wrong place to have a rational discussion about an interesting topic. Like there aren't enough threads about dps, anal, their personal misfortunes, drugs, and peeing. The business end of things and websites and what the stars do with their careers seems more interesting than many of the movies that come out that seem just like the last one I rented. And certainly more interesting than taking cheap shots at people like Hillary Scott or Sasha Grey and others. PS-After perusing this site a bit, the only thing I might concede is that the comments I made might have been better off in the porn pool forum, rather than in this forum. It seems like this one is more "all about the sex" than the other one. I just saw the topic and went with it, rather than creating something in the porn pool forum to get feedback if anyone there wanted to offer any. That might have been a mistake, but it was not on purpose. Edited by - Dr. McDreamy on 6/8/2007 6:47:26 AM |
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| KatarinaKat Member 250 Posts 11/06 | Nasty; You always support my work and I appreciate that...thank you! McDreamy; No problem babe, I never take things personal. I've been in the eye of the public since I was very young (in the circus) and I learned that critizism it's always constructive. Fans are passionate people and without them, there's no industry. That goes for everything, not just porn...so I expect fans to say what's on their mind. Sometimes I just take what I believe it's the real message and ignore the way it was sent accross. At the same time, you have to understand that performers are just as passionate, so they will say what's on their minds as well...after all, we are all just people. In other words, I appreciate your feedback...:) I love you all... XOXO Katarina Kat |
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